Andodalf
Banned
LMAO IMAGINE POSITING THIS CONFIDENTLY AND BEING WRONG!!!!!
THATS ACCOUNT LEVEL! IN COD BP LEVEL IS SEPERATE!
Woooooooow!
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Halo Infinite multiplayer won't have per-match XP, will be based on completion of challenges
- Thread starter cormack12
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LMAO IMAGINE POSITING THIS CONFIDENTLY AND BEING WRONG!!!!!
THATS ACCOUNT LEVEL! IN COD BP LEVEL IS SEPERATE!
Woooooooow!
fuck_diggity_cunt_ingdon
Banned
I don’t agree with everyone saying 343 are incompetent BUT I agree with the way you put this.
Players should be rewarded for playing competitively as that’s the main point of the game.
Allforce
Member
I wasn't in the test flight so I'm not sure. They'd be smart to separate the Battle Pass tiers from your individual XP level but nothing I've seen these guys do or say in the last year and a half has inspired much confidence.
Someone mentioned "Double XP" tokens in Infinite so I'd imagine those would apply to your Player XP and not the Battle Pass so hopefully that's the track they're going down.
Negotiator101
Member
Don't let a very small issue affect you
playing this game.
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Concern
Member
I was in the flight test and only really noticed one thing leveling system which showed 1 to 2 for example. Didn't pay attention to if it was a rank or battle pass related. I know they mentioned something about testing battle pass in the flight but really didn't care for it. Just wanted to play the game.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Time to git gud, losers.
digoutyoursoul
Member
There is a Halo Infinite dynamic theme available on the Series X/S
01011001
Banned
to be fair, earning battle pass stars by simply playing matches in Apex takes ages. 1 level up gives you 1 star, and you need 10 stars to level up 1 battle pass level.
the average match XP is around 4000xp, and that's if the match was relatively long (as time played gives you the most xp by far)
you need 5000 xp to get 1 level up.
that means in order to level up 1 battle pass level in Apex you need to play for about 2.5 hours, that is 2.5 hours of time spend IN A MATCH, waiting in the menu not included.
basically, what I'm saying is, it might as well not exist, you gain maybe a handful of levels that way across the span of a season, but it wouldn't be much different without this
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Allforce
Member
Something else I just read that basically confirms this is all analytics-based to drive revenue (duh): There's a system to buy coins to re-roll challenges.
That's the system I believe they're creating, full stop. You'll have your basic ass challenges available (Complete 3 Matches of Capture The Flag, Kill 20 Enemies With a Sniper) but there will be some algorithm that has a shitty/impossible one in your queue that will drive enough people crazy and they'll pay to swap it out.
Black Ops Cold War has this system without the paying part (yet!), you can swap out challenges whenever you want but the "pool" of challenges changes every 24 hours. There's always some easy ones but there is also ALWAYS a bunch of shitty ones that I will never attempt (Get 5 Kills While Riding in a Vehicle, Hack 5 Enemy Field Upgrades with the Spycraft Perk, etc). Also they're not mandatory for Battle Pass progression in any way so it's just for Player XP and some doodads.
So 343 just took it to the next logical business step. I bet the "pool" will be smaller and the refresh rate much longer. And the entire Battle Pass progression is tied to it. Want that cool Fallout Helmet at Level 90 on the BP? Well just buy a coin and swap out that challenge for an easier one and get'r done!
But I'm just speculating trying to see this as the best way to make money and not what players particularly care for or want.
That's the system I believe they're creating, full stop. You'll have your basic ass challenges available (Complete 3 Matches of Capture The Flag, Kill 20 Enemies With a Sniper) but there will be some algorithm that has a shitty/impossible one in your queue that will drive enough people crazy and they'll pay to swap it out.
Black Ops Cold War has this system without the paying part (yet!), you can swap out challenges whenever you want but the "pool" of challenges changes every 24 hours. There's always some easy ones but there is also ALWAYS a bunch of shitty ones that I will never attempt (Get 5 Kills While Riding in a Vehicle, Hack 5 Enemy Field Upgrades with the Spycraft Perk, etc). Also they're not mandatory for Battle Pass progression in any way so it's just for Player XP and some doodads.
So 343 just took it to the next logical business step. I bet the "pool" will be smaller and the refresh rate much longer. And the entire Battle Pass progression is tied to it. Want that cool Fallout Helmet at Level 90 on the BP? Well just buy a coin and swap out that challenge for an easier one and get'r done!
But I'm just speculating trying to see this as the best way to make money and not what players particularly care for or want.
Spaceman292
Banned
That's exactly the problem
01011001
Banned
it's a problem in Fortnite because you are time limited, in Halo there is no time limit to unlock stuff. battle passes will not disappear ever.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Dont force me to play modes/weapons I dont want to play ruins a game for me
01011001
Banned
yeah I don't like stuff like that either. I have no issue with challenges that take skill like "have a positive K/D" or "get 20 kills in 1 match", stuff like that.
but every game like this always has to have dumb shit.
Apex is sometimes really bad, like having challenges that actively require your team to suck in order to be completed. one of these is "respawn 10 teammates" for example... like, BITCH why do you want my team to be bad at the fucking game in order to complete a challenge? wtf?
but at least in Apex there are more than enough challenges to easily get to level 110 each season. I usually am done by week 6 or 7, and the rest of the weekly challenges can then be ignored. they also have regular smaller challenge events these days that give you Battlepass progression.
but still, challenges that make you play badly should not be in a game.
what I also would say tho, in Halo, you don't really have a choice of which weapon you wanna use. you always spawn with the same weapons as everyone else, and you better fight for the power weapons or you are a liability for your team. so having a challenge like "kill 5 enemies with the sniper rifle" should not he an issue as having the sniper in your possession is highly encouraged in Halo as it is important for your team to control the power weapons as much as possible.
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ResilientBanana
Member
I still stand with the fact that the gameplay is solid, XP would be preferred.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its one thing say in COD if you want the nicer camos for guns you have to play weapons that just suck.
Its another to complete stupid shit just to get match xp.
Melfice7
Member
Winning in a competitive game is stupid anyway. What matters is everyone participating and have fun
Andodalf
Banned
The level in the flight was just BP
Also this system is the same as MCC isn't it? Everyone seems fine with MCC
digoutyoursoul
Member
JackNightblade
Member
i never care for battle passes so idc about this other than the fact that it will have my teammates in ranked game trying to do suboptimal things just to complete challenges. this could really hinder gameplay.
also, this better have no bearing on how ranked levels are determined either.
stuff like this is fun in games like BF that arent too competitive. sounds awful in any ranked playlists in halo
also, this better have no bearing on how ranked levels are determined either.
stuff like this is fun in games like BF that arent too competitive. sounds awful in any ranked playlists in halo
That sounds like a lame competition then.
Destroying the other team enough to make someone either rage quit or send you messages was the best part of Halo.
R6Rider
Gold Member
nightmare-slain
Member
match xp doesn't make sense for what they are doing.
Havoc2049
Member
The amount of concerned Karens in here who obviously know nothing about Battlepass/XP challenges in Halo games is laughable.
First of all, there isn't really enough info in that tweet to get worked up over or to be happy about. The tweet is just about Battlepass. Halo MCC for example has Battlepass, an overall lifetime rank and seasonal game/mode specific competitive ranks. Then you have all the traditional W/L ratios and K/D/A stats, etc.
The majority of the weekly and seasonal Battlepass challenges can be completed by skillful players much quicker, so skill is rewarded. A player with skill will hit a 50 kill weekly challenge for example in two or three games, while a player who sucks, it may take them five or six games.
Most of the PVP challenges are generic and can be completed just by playing the game how you want or just jump in a specific mode for a few games to complete challenges quicker. A Complete 50 multiplayer games seasonal challenge doesn't really effect how you want to play the game. A 50 Head Shot challenge for example can be grinded in traditional Slayer or BTB, or jump into a few Sniper or SWAT matches to quickly knock the challenge out.
First of all, there isn't really enough info in that tweet to get worked up over or to be happy about. The tweet is just about Battlepass. Halo MCC for example has Battlepass, an overall lifetime rank and seasonal game/mode specific competitive ranks. Then you have all the traditional W/L ratios and K/D/A stats, etc.
The majority of the weekly and seasonal Battlepass challenges can be completed by skillful players much quicker, so skill is rewarded. A player with skill will hit a 50 kill weekly challenge for example in two or three games, while a player who sucks, it may take them five or six games.
Most of the PVP challenges are generic and can be completed just by playing the game how you want or just jump in a specific mode for a few games to complete challenges quicker. A Complete 50 multiplayer games seasonal challenge doesn't really effect how you want to play the game. A 50 Head Shot challenge for example can be grinded in traditional Slayer or BTB, or jump into a few Sniper or SWAT matches to quickly knock the challenge out.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont play Halo, so my reply really goes for any shooter.
With whats said in the OP, I originally thought it would be OK to do XP like that if players/teams work together to win matches, do objectives and shit like that. So lone wolfers like me hogging K/D (and wins! as my win % in COD is always about 60-65% with randoms where I try to win and not get killed in TDM) dont progress trying to be selfish.
BUT, if the XP is geared to dumb shit like personal objectives like stated in the OP, thats retarded. There's enough gamers acting like lone wolfs or snipers on a hill, but to tease gamers to play our of their norm and hunt for XP doing weird shit (likely at the cost of playing a more effective match), that'll probably sink the team.
With whats said in the OP, I originally thought it would be OK to do XP like that if players/teams work together to win matches, do objectives and shit like that. So lone wolfers like me hogging K/D (and wins! as my win % in COD is always about 60-65% with randoms where I try to win and not get killed in TDM) dont progress trying to be selfish.
BUT, if the XP is geared to dumb shit like personal objectives like stated in the OP, thats retarded. There's enough gamers acting like lone wolfs or snipers on a hill, but to tease gamers to play our of their norm and hunt for XP doing weird shit (likely at the cost of playing a more effective match), that'll probably sink the team.
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MiguelItUp
Member
Yeah, I think having both would be great. Some people like to complete challenges, some people just like to going points and see numbers go up. I personally don't mind which route they take, but finding a way to do both would be great to make sure both kinds of players are content.
Dr Bass
Member
The crux of the issue, perfectly stated.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I'll preface this by saying that I don't have an Xbox, and don't plan on picking one up in the near future. No, it's not cause I don't like Xbox, I just don't have the free time for another console.
OT: Not the biggest fan of this, as I am horrible at challenges. IDK if this happens to anyone else, but I find myself so focused on trying to perform the specific tasks/challenge that I end up playing the game horribly, doing horrible, and overall not enjoying it much. I usually revert back to just playing the game and ignoring the challenges... hoping that I'll eventually get them from just playing the game. Like someone said, why not both? At least you get some XP for completing matches. IDK this game sounds pretty hardcore LOL
OT: Not the biggest fan of this, as I am horrible at challenges. IDK if this happens to anyone else, but I find myself so focused on trying to perform the specific tasks/challenge that I end up playing the game horribly, doing horrible, and overall not enjoying it much. I usually revert back to just playing the game and ignoring the challenges... hoping that I'll eventually get them from just playing the game. Like someone said, why not both? At least you get some XP for completing matches. IDK this game sounds pretty hardcore LOL
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Captain Toad
Banned
You don't even need GamePass. It's a full F2P GaaS like Fortnite.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Regardless I'll continue to get dunked on by the kids on MP these days. Tried playing some MCC the other night and got my ass smoked went 2/17.
Fbh
Member
As long as this is all just related to some battle pass that unlocks strictly cosmetic stuff I don't really care how the system works.
It doesn't have to be if you don't want it to.
I've been playing rocket league since it launched, never given a shit about any of the battlepass or overall grind. I just like to play ranked matches with the regular car (I did buy the Delorean though)
It doesn't have to be if you don't want it to.
I've been playing rocket league since it launched, never given a shit about any of the battlepass or overall grind. I just like to play ranked matches with the regular car (I did buy the Delorean though)
dcmk7
Banned
Insane levels of hypocrisy hereYou shitposting in Xbox threads rather than stick Playstation threads is the only "fascinating" thing around here.
Faust can we start clearing out the obvious shitposting trolls?
Gaf at its finest.But back on topic and away from that stupidity..
It looks like it's going to be slammed by everyone anyway, but this doesn't seem a big deal and has been blown out of proportion.
Hari Seldon
Member
Wait what is the xp for? Is this not Halo where you just find shit laying around the map?
Magnific0giganticus
Banned
No per match XP "at launch"...they mean they will have this later? So they overhaul the progression system/rebalance the game sometime after launch?? How, why do this?
for unlocking cosmetics
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well, live services need people to keep playing and user base to grow… they are optimising for that… :/… as it kind of should have been expected. Engagement Uber-All…
Hari Seldon
Member
Oh well I don't give a fuck about that shit then. As long as it isn't weapon unlocks or that type of shit I don't care what they do.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Not a fan. Never complete challenges deliberately on Gears, Rocket League or Apex. Tedious as fuck. I don’t want to use certain weapons or do certain things. Let me get more exp based on my skill level please (although I realise they won’t do this so the scrubs can still feel great about themselves).
Leyasu
Banned
Because it is not ready yet.
343 lol. The epitome of a badly managed studi. God damn. I am also someone that has enjoyed their Halos too
Flutta
Banned
Forcing you to ”work” for some XP is not what you call fun gameplay.
Basicaly they want you to put in more time and effort into the MP. Don’t think this is the best way to go about it.
There was another game that tried this method and failed doing so, if i remember correctly. Not sure which game it was tho
Basicaly they want you to put in more time and effort into the MP. Don’t think this is the best way to go about it.
There was another game that tried this method and failed doing so, if i remember correctly. Not sure which game it was tho
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I disagree there. I think competition can lead to fun. In games, at least.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
Ngl I just remembered that all you unlock is cosmetic gear and I suddenly don’t care about this anymore. If people want to goof around, instead of help the team, it’s not necessarily a good thing, but I don’t care.
I just didn’t want to have to do it myself.
carry on.
I just didn’t want to have to do it myself.
carry on.
