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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
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ElzarTheBam
Member
squidhands
Member
You realize that every time you post, Dany looks upon you with a sense of entitled distaste. It's like she knows you or something.
Well, shit. Oh well, it would have been a race to finish the game before Halo 4 came out anyway, so it's probably better this way. Feel bad for the folks who were more psyched about it than I am.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Good morning boys and OddOne, what's goin--
..............FUCK ALL OF YOU ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH
..............FUCK ALL OF YOU ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH
No, I want my aiming ability to determine who wins in a 1v1 battle. I want absolutely no tainting of randomization in any of the precision weapons. Halo 4 takes place in a simulator, with super soldiers holding weapons. There are no canonical or "realistic" reasons for it. Reach already proved that random spawns, and unnecessary variables added to the game do nothing to improve the Halo formula. Now we have killstreaks, perks, random spawns, recoil, it's all superfluous.
Also, if I were a gambling man, I'd bet the AR and vehicle turrets won't have any recoil which'll be an even bigger ballbuster.
Aside from, you know, all the other Halo games.
Hydranockz
Member
What are you? Some kind of canon nerd? There has always been something about a weapon though. Spread, bloom, recoil, the RoF, charges, bullets in a clip. It's just how games are. The constraints are what make it fun.
lol
As I understand it, the recoil is not random. It trails predictably upward and must be compensated. Sounds like fair game to me.
HiredN00bs
Member
Who cares what someone who actually played the game thinks? Kyle is on the money, as usual.
But seriously, there are people that want a modern game like CE (I know I would enjoy it), so why doesn't someone just make it?
If all the complaining over the past seven and a half years would have been channelled into something productive, we could all be playing it by now. Shit, we have tools like Kickstarter now, stop setting yourselves up for disappointment and do something about it!
Call it the quintessential Halo-like game from the guys who like Halo.
Hydranockz
Member
I assumed he was joking... as usual.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
His point is that aiming should be completely unhindered and be about who can put a reticule to a target faster.
In my opinion that's dry gameplay devoid of any satisfactoy depth, but I agree that any nuances shouldn't be handled by randomization.
I fancy the idea of headshots knocking players out of scope--not just any shot. Also, it can be accompanied by a flash across the tagged players' screen to destabilize aiming somewhat. Gives a reason to take the more difficult shot when in a firefight with someone.
Hydranockz
Member
And I agree. As I said, the constraints are what make things fun. The less random, the better. Cool ideas too.
Sounds annoying as fuck.
Duck, strafe, get a headshot first, or deal with it. Or not. I'm not a 343 employee; no guarantees. Just something I would like to see. Have an alternative?
An alternative? How about not a flash across your screen that fucks up your aiming?
Hydranockz
Member
Did you have any trouble controlling the bullet spread?
Zeouterlimits
Member
Dang namit, the fascinating meme is being run into the ground faster than poor Oonsk.
Hydra - Hearing that the Couch Coop in Minecraft 360 is pretty great. Big praise for that aspect of it on this week's Bombcast.
Hydra - Hearing that the Couch Coop in Minecraft 360 is pretty great. Big praise for that aspect of it on this week's Bombcast.
It doesn't inherently fuck up your aiming, it's just a condition that could possibly throw off your aiming if you can't compensate for it. It incentivizes headshots which up to this point in Halo gameplay only really should be attempted when the target is shieldless or you have a sniper. Gives more risk-reward on play agency (which always widens that oh-so-beloved "skill gap"), gives more impetus on not getting shot, somewhat alleviates people's distaste of getting descoped (especially from automatic weapons), and gives more depth.
All told, it's just an idea to expand the shooting gameplay from simple, mindless, point and squeeze.
I'm ok with this. It will end up even better.
Will be too busy anyways this year catching up on the good pc stuff I've been missing after I build one. i7-3770, gtx680, ssd, 16gb ram, etc should be lots of fun to watch games jump a generation ahead visually from what I'm used to in consoles.
Hydranockz
Member
Hot damn. If HMV only gives store credit and they don't have 3DS cards, I'll get more XBL points.
The Librarian
Banned
It's not random if the gun is raised by the same amount each time it's fired.
There's been recoil on Halo guns before.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Unf.
Welcome to the real world.
Now come and play F2P games like Tribes & League of Legends (both pretty awesome).
Zeouterlimits
Member
I blame Metro.The UK version of Inside Xbox has just been cancelled, all staff to lose their jobs.
Not cool.
Had to actively seek out that stuff to find it, when I noticed I hadn't seen it anything. Hidden off in a small corner tab of the UI.
Man, the UI is great on the Phone (and probably similar on a tablet), but it blows on the 360. Destroying the Marketplace.
I have suspicions that they've made it deliberately hard to navigate to encourage people to use the Kinect voice navigation.
Zeouterlimits
Member
I think that's paranoia.
Metro wasn't designed with the 360 in mind.
They just did a "put X existing item from the 360 into Y placement on Metro." without any/enough consideration for how it would effect the content or best work on the platform.
If anything the voice commands (and bing) was a way of bandaging the wound as best they felt they could.
HiredN00bs
Member
Did people complain about the Halo 3 sniper? It really made it the most difficult sniper to use in the series, in my opinion.
squidhands
Member
[7yearold]teehee[/7yearold]
It may not be randomization by definition, but it is adding an unnecessary layer to an encounter that muddles with your aiming. Aim should be the only thing that matters in a fight.
Could you ever actually debate or respond to my points instead of taking pot shots and praying someone quotes you in support? Jesus christ HaloGAF, you don't have to respond to every one of my criticisms or speculative posts by complaining about me. Actually refute what I'm saying if you disagree.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Haha. This is what I think of all the backlash that Kyle is getting. I love reading his blunt opinions and I find that I agree with the majority of them
if not all of them
And when it's as easy and shallow as you described, it leads to a boring game.
He's getting backlash? Let's not drive him away, guys! He doesn't have to post here, there's Waypoint forums.
Bloom.
Saw someone else say this before you and I'm agreement. Ready to be awesome'd again.
Not sensitive, just tired of trying to start a discussion about the next Halo or current Halo in a Halo thread, and every reponse is "you are wrong, you hate halo, you are mean, it is fine, tee hee, [animated gif]" and then people move on and start posting more gifs or use the thread as their LiveJournal for the next 8 pages.
It's mind-numbing.
Regarding the opinion of someone who's played the fame over your estimation *is* refuting your point. You say it will be horrible, Wu says not in his experience. 'Nuff said.
Gabotron ES
Member
Hitscan BR with no recoil, that'd be pretty overpowered imo.
Anyway, it didn't look that bad in the few vids we've seen so far, you can always wait for the beta to see how it handles... oh wait!
Anyway, it didn't look that bad in the few vids we've seen so far, you can always wait for the beta to see how it handles... oh wait!
Zeouterlimits
Member
I've got to agree with this. Hell, nigh undeniable.
Or he knows that Wu is a very different player to him and is able to account for that somewhat and make a deduction/perspective decision.
Can't wait. I remember hating it in the vidoc. Thought it looked and played corny. Now it's my favorite weapon in the sandbox, and now I can spawn with in whenever I want!*
*after grinding
Nope.
Although, those still gifs with one or two animated elements need to be destroyed. Y'all can hold that shit.
You say things like they are fact then wrap them in snide comments. It's hard to discuss things with you with the way you come off. You don't seem open for much and and seem to oniy want things your way. I didn't even know you wanted to discuss anything, just looks like complaining man.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Dell U2312HM would fit that criteria, but if you're looking for a 120hz monitor to take advantage of PC framerate, then I'd go with BenQ XL2420T, although it's a TN.
RebornYeti
Member
BioShock Infinite's delay is kinda sad. But Minecraft 360 release makes it all better.
Know what's overpowered?
Giving only the Red team a Wraith, Gauss Hog, and Rocket Hog
higherARC05
Banned
Aim should not be the only thing that matters in a fight.
Positioning, manuverability, gun control, and plain ol intellegence should be the things that matter in a fight.
If aim was the only thing that matters then there will be barely any skill involved. Itll just be a point n click shitfest like those bad sniper browser games online.
This is why games like counter strike and every skill based shooters have recoil to add depth to the complexity of weapon handling.
Recoil in HALO 4 looks to not be over exagerized but to add a little bit of weapon control skill to be learned. Win!