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Haptic, Adaptive Triggers or Both?

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With it (a revised controller) basically having a 90% chance of happening, what do you want Xbox to copy?



Also predictions on timeline and price?
 
I turn off the triggers in MP games especially on my dualsense but its coming for Xbox

But give me back buttons and trigger stops on standard controllers dammit
 
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both are nice when done well, but back buttons like on the steam controller would be a nice addition.

I can understand why back buttons aren't desirable for the platform holders because that increases the complexity of the controllers for casual audiences/disabled gamers. It wouldn't just be a back button mappable to jump or crouch it would become it's OWN button, you feel me?
 
GymWolf said:
Neither, put something actually useful like back buttons instead of gimmicks that more easily break your controller.
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I have my PS5 for 3 months now and I can tell you that this is more than a gimmick. It came to a point for me where I´m disappointed if a new game does not feature haptics and full Duals Sense Support.

It helps me to immerse myself in the game. Rumble effects were always nice and this is the next-gen version of that. Once you get used to it, you don´t want to miss it anymore.

Only downside is battery life....
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
Certainly not adaptive triggers.

Then again Phil telling that Dualsense has some features does not mean that they are gonna be adopted.
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The kindafunny episode does very much imply they are prototyping a controller with some similar features. It wasn't just a factual statement from Phil that the dualsense has some features imo.
 
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It's funny, playing games with the PS5 triggers makes me realize how often I pull the trigger when the gun isn't even able to shoot. So many times I pull the trigger and it's totally dead with no resistance and at first I get annoyed because it feels like shit, but then realize the gun is reloading or on cool down between shots and I couldn't even shoot anyway, so why am I even pulling the trigger?

For MP I would definitely turn it off though. Hell, even on PS4 controllers I changed ADS and fire to R1 L1.
 
shubik said:
I have my PS5 for 3 months now and I can tell you that this is more than a gimmick. It came to a point for me where I´m disappointed if a new game does not feature haptics and full Duals Sense Support.

It helps me to immerse myself in the game. Rumble effects were always nice and this is the next-gen version of that. Once you get used to it, you don´t want to miss it anymore.

Only downside is battery life....
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Good for you, for me they are just gimmicks.

I disabled the triggers from the ps5 option but i leave the vibration on (most of the time), it's a nice novelty but i don't give a damn about it after 10 minutes, also like you said, the already non optimal battery inside the ds5 get even shorter life with this stuff turned on.

Onestly, even if it help with immersion, i think that 2 simple back buttons are just more useful overall and less abstract.
 
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GymWolf said:
Good for you, for me are just gimmicks.

I disabled the triggers from the ps5 option but i leave the vibration on (most of the time), it's a nice novelty but i don't give a damn about it after 10 minutes, also like you said, the already non optimal battery inside the ds5 get even shorter life with this stuff turned on.

Onestly, even if it help with immersion, i think that 2 simple back buttons are just more useful overall and less abstract.
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Listen here pal, you can take your differing opinions to a different site, like Resetera.
 
I really adore both haptic and adaptive triggers, always use them at the maximum force. A game feels empty when it doesn't support one or another, tbh.
 
I will take a more reliable build over gimmicky features any day. Sixaxis, rumble, adaptive trigger, haptics are all horseshit features that you are trading off for analog drift. Sturdy build and low latency/input lag are all I need. The one thing that I have liked about ps controllers for many years is the division of dpad keys, I know its one piece of plastic but it still helps my muscle memory I think when playing games like dmc5 and switching styles on the go. But Xbox Controller has always felt better in hand.
 
I don't mind the duel sense but the tinny vibrate on the feed back isn't my favorite. I prefer a more heafty rumble. I hope there's a way to include both.
 
God I hope it never happens, the component quality and responsiveness of the d-pad and buttons on the DualSense are awful. It feels like fucking a tetraplegic compared to the XS d-pad and buttons.

Back buttons would be nice though.
 
How about neither. Haptic feedback is a cool gimmick. But I prefer longer battery life, thank you.
Like GymWolf said, give me back buttons instead.
 
arvfab said:
I would like them to copy the analogues positionig and use an internal battery.
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fuck internal batteries. It's like wishing for yourself to be fucked over.
In 10 years when you will take out your ps5 from the closet, good luck with that battery.
AA batteries can be replaced, controler never has to be plugged back in and you can always use rechargables.
There re NO CONS to AA or rechargable AA solution but many to built in.

I know it can be replaced but good luck finding good non chineese, not old battery in 2040
 
I got my PS5 yesterday, and I was scared as fuck with the triggers when I played Ratchet and Clank for the first time

Its cool, but part of me is thinking all the time while playing "no way this shit is gonna last more than 2 years"
 
rofif said:
fuck internal batteries. It's like wishing for yourself to be fucked over.
In 10 years when you will take out your ps5 from the closet, good luck with that battery.
AA batteries can be replaced, controler never has to be plugged back in and you can always use rechargables.
There re NO CONS to AA or rechargable AA solution but many to built in.

I know it can be replaced but good luck finding good non chineese, not old battery in 2040
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Yeah probably also why almost all electronics use AA batteries. Phones, handheld consoles, tablets, all other non-MS controllers, smart watches. I heard even some cars are powered by AA batteries.....

Also wondering why MS decided to use an internal battery for their Elite controller... 🤔
 
Both are great when implemented right. But as like anything some people don't like them, and you have an option of turning them off or toning them down with 3 degrees. They are great and love both.
 
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arvfab said:
Yeah probably also why almost all electronics use AA batteries. Phones, handheld consoles, tablets, all other non-MS controllers, smart watches. I heard even some cars are powered by AA batteries.....

Also wondering why MS decided to use an internal battery for their Elite controller... 🤔
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omg you can't be serious.
It's a controller and lion batteries just die with age. Why make it harder to replace when You can just have AA or rechargables AA ?
Why have this weird, hard to find, hard to get to battery which WILL KILL YOUR CONTROLLER in the future.
And the battery life is better...

edit: And stubborn people like you STILL CAN GET RECHARGABLE BATTERY plug and play kit like microsoft offers
 
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Yeah i'm with rofif about the batteries.

Maybe when i was little the internal one was more comfy, but as an adult, recharchable batteries are the shit.
 
The triggers are annoying and I disable them if it gives me the opportunity, haptic feedback on the other hand is fucking incredible.
 
rofif said:
omg you can't be serious.
It's a controller and lion batteries just die with age. Why make it harder to replace when You can just have AA or rechargables AA ?
Why have this weird, hard to find, hard to get to battery which WILL KILL YOUR CONTROLLER in the future.
And the battery life is better...

edit: And stubborn people like you STILL CAN GET RECHARGABLE BATTERY plug and play kit like microsoft offers
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So I either need to:

1) Use non-rechargeable batteries, having a continuous expense and producing more trash. Also, if my last batteries die and I have no replacement, I need to get some before I can play again. Also battery leakage could destroy the controller and be harmful to me or other family members.

2) Use rechargeable AA batteries, which I need to buy separately and suffer from the same issues as an internal battery (although cheaper to replace once they die)

3) Use an additional MS product (not for free, clearly) with the same drawbacks of an internal battery.

All three solutions multiplied by the amount of controllers I have.....

Yeah.. no. I'm still preferring internal batteries. If in the future I need to replace the battery, I can easily find a cheap replacement for 10-15 bucks.

PS: We will continue to disagree on this, so any further reply is useless.
 
I mean, technically Microsoft already did with their impulse triggers. Haptic feedback is more like an evolution of that.
 
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Haptic feedback is amazing and i cant go back to controllers with old rumble.
The adaptive triggers have been a hit or miss experience so far. When its well implemented it feels good and increase the imersion of the game, when its bad implemented is the oposite, it breaks imersion and just gets in the way. Luckly the triggers can be turned off without turning of the haptic feedback.
 
Neither. Both gimmicky trash that serves only to destroy battery life. Dualsense was a misstep.
 
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Both. They are so fun to use, especially in Returnal and Ratchet. Demon's Souls had the best 3-D Audio design so far though.

ChuckeRearmed said:
Certainly not adaptive triggers.

Then again Phil telling that Dualsense has some features does not mean that they are gonna be adopted.
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Can someone translate what language this is in?'
 
The dual sense is one of the reasons why I would choose to purchase a third-party game on PS5, rather than Series X. F1 2021 being an example. WRC9 on PS5 is amazing with the dual sense controller and I can't imagine playing it on Xbox without the haptic feedback and the sounds that come from the speaker - the exhaust pop for instance. The dual sense is more than just adaptive triggers and haptics.
 
Can I just get Borderlands 3 to fix the glitch that gets rumble stuck to always on? Come on Gearbox this game even continues to crash to Home Screen randomly. geesh
 
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I don't like adaptive triggers. In some games I use it because they are not terrible (like Ratchet or Resident Evil Village), but in others, like Spiderman or Avengers, I disabled it because they feel very intrusive.

In my opinion, they don't add any immersion, instead of that they complicate actions that are very simple.

Apart from that, L2 trigger get broke (same for R2 in a friend's controller), and when asking Sony they told me "sadly, it's a common failure". I must say that they replace it and send me one new (or mine repaired, I don't know) very quickly.
 
TonyK said:
Apart from that, L2 trigger get broke (same for R2 in a friend's controller), and when asking Sony they told me "sadly, it's a common failure". I must say that they replace it and send me one new (or mine repaired, I don't know) very quickly.
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Is not the adaptive triggers that break. The common trigger failure is in the spring used in the dualsense triggers. They increased the tension of the spring and that may lead to the sprink to break more easely. Dosent matter if u using adptive triggers or not.

Its an easy fix, and you can even replace the springs with DS4 springs that have less tension.

Thers some youtube tutorials teaching how to do it.
 
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I'd like to have these features on PC also with a PS5 controller, playing RDR 2 with Dualsense would be awesome.
 
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rofif said:
fuck internal batteries. It's like wishing for yourself to be fucked over.
In 10 years when you will take out your ps5 from the closet, good luck with that battery.
AA batteries can be replaced, controler never has to be plugged back in and you can always use rechargables.
There re NO CONS to AA or rechargable AA solution but many to built in.

I know it can be replaced but good luck finding good non chineese, not old battery in 2040
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Yup and no cord that gets in the way of your console and the controller
 
MrS said:
Neither. Both gimmicky trash that serves only to destroy battery life. Dualsense was a misstep.
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Disagree Donald Trump GIF by CBS News
 
Both so the options are there for those of us who like them.

If you don't like them you can simply disable them and go back to your boring old controller.
 
Haptics are awesome! First time I shot the gun in the Glitch sections in Ratchet & Clank I laughed out loud.
*Bra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-*Ahahahaha*ta-ta-ta-ta-*hahahah*ta-ta-ta-taa*
So awesome! 👌
 
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