SeeNoWeevil
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I'm not that bothered given that I seriously doubt the PC version is going to look better than the PS Pro version. Some minor IQ improvements maybe.
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Harada: Tekken 7 won't have xplay because 1st party security reasons, ask them
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The Artisan
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how you figure that?
LordKasual
Banned
I mean, it probably wont look THAT much better unless they throw some GPU accelerated features into the PC version.
pretty done
Member
An indie game didn't do it though. Rocket League doesn't have real crossplay. I can't invite my little brother to my party and we Q doubles. Private matches only lol
petran79
Banned
There is cheating on console version of Central Fiction too,using PS3 custom firmware.
Finaika
Member
PC will run this at 8K 60fps no problem.
Grow up people. Harada isn't purposely holding back cross play for any nefarious reasons. The reasons he's giving are perfectly valid, there is no example of P2P cross play between all three platforms with any game, and it'd be a pretty major feature to give exclusively to one platform while pissing off the other. I like how somehow there's the presumption we know more about Sony and Microsoft's policies and what's going on in Harada's head than the man himself. We don't.
Also from my own hands on I'll say PC version looked fantastic and PS4 version is getting there too. If you wanted to play competitively, PS4 was always your only choice with this game.
Also from my own hands on I'll say PC version looked fantastic and PS4 version is getting there too. If you wanted to play competitively, PS4 was always your only choice with this game.
MoogleMan
Member
Before this would have bothered me, but after being spoiled by PC and not having to pay to play online, I'm just extremely grateful T7 will be on PC.
They need to sell it in like 4 packs though. As it is, I'm probably buying 5 or 6 at launch so my family (the ones that live a couple of hours away) and I can beat each others' faces in online.
They need to sell it in like 4 packs though. As it is, I'm probably buying 5 or 6 at launch so my family (the ones that live a couple of hours away) and I can beat each others' faces in online.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
It is only them.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I just can't see them putting much effort into making the PC port look better. Fighting games never do.
Smooth Operator
Member
Funny, because games like MKX, GGXrd, SFV, etc... are better looking on my PC.
Except if the port is garbage tier, i don't see why the game would look better on PS4Pro.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
actually no one knows MS just said they agreed to it on a PR note but nobody knows if there are one sided clauses on microsoft side beside considering tha sony is already doing crossplay with even the wii U android and iphone with a game like eitr if I remember correctly.
I wouldn't be surpirsed if Ms is a bit shady in this case.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
MKX looks almost identical, SFV has some pretty mild improvements. They don't even have Pro patches either. I wouldn't get your hopes up for an amazing PC port. I never said it would look better on PS4.
LordKasual
Banned
Every PC port looks noticeably better on a decent rig.
Tekken 7 is probably going to be alot more noticeable though. It's visual effects seem to be really heavy on GPU particles now.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Judging from the comments in this thread, it gives them zero benefits. PC owners are the only one that might benefit from such a deal and Sony looks to be in no mood to offer such a service for them. #4ThePlayers essentially means #4ThePlayersWhoBoughtPSSystem and they are not a charity to cater to every need aside from their own
.Infact if we go by this thread, this will result in more people buying the PS4 version, so more money for them as they get money from every game sold for PS4.
Sony feels the PC is PS4's main competition in the marketplace not Xbox One
Sony boss: PS4 Pro is going after the PC audience
Ever since the launch of PS4 Pro, Sony has taken a U-Turn on their PC friendly policies that resulted in games like Rocket League and Street Fighter V getting PC cross-play support.
I think the expectation is the PS4 Pro and PC version will simply be arcade-perfect versions of the game.
fluffydelusions
Member
This sucks. I mean it was sort of expected given the comments from them but I would have loved crossplay. Guess I'll get the PS4 version then since I imagine that is where the biggest player base will reside.
ethomaz
Banned
While I support cross play with others consoles... I want a option to remove PC users.
The first thing I did after 5 PC battles (where all of them used some PC cheat) on SFV was remove these players... feels so good.
I please companies give us option to play against console users only.
The first thing I did after 5 PC battles (where all of them used some PC cheat) on SFV was remove these players... feels so good.
I please companies give us option to play against console users only.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I've played all of them maxed out on a good PC. The differences are very minor.
Judging from the comments in this thread, it gives them zero benefits. PC owners are the only one that might benefit from such a deal and Sony looks to be in no mood to offer such a service for them. #4ThePlayers essentially means #4ThePlayersWhoBoughtPSSystem and they are not a charity to cater to every need aside from their own
Infact if we go by this thread, this will result in more people buying the PS4 version, so more money for them as they get money from every game sold for PS4.
exactly this , want more players buy a PS4 its not benefitting the players with PS4 since the community is more then likely going to be there. Microsoft really let their PR loose with the whole cross platform play when theres no benefit to the other consoles in play. Come on people stop falling for that crap.
Judging from the comments in this thread, it gives them zero benefits. PC owners are the only one that might benefit from such a deal and Sony looks to be in no mood to offer such a service for them. #4ThePlayers essentially means #4ThePlayersWhoBoughtPSSystem and they are not a charity to cater to every need aside from their own
Infact if we go by this thread, this will result in more people buying the PS4 version, so more money for them as they get money from every game sold for PS4.
Sony feels the PC is PS4s main competition in the marketplace not Xbox One
Sony boss: PS4 Pro is going after the PC audience
Ever since the launch of PS4 Pro, Sony has taken a U-Turn on their PC friendly policies that resulted in games like Rocket League and Street Fighter V getting PC cross-play support.
what games that have been released recently have been ripe for a ps4/pc crossplay situation?
LelouchZero
Member
The console versions are kind of a port actually, the arcade machines are actually Windows based PCs from what I've seen of them. Or at-least they were, as I'm not sure if they've started using console hardware for the Arcade machines.
EDIT: Actually, I'm not 100% sure if they're windows based but they're totally PCs:
Source
About Tekken 7
And what's inside the arcade machine
Basically, the arcade version of Tekken 7 IS a pc version, so.....THE DREAM IS ALIVE
And as always, thanks A LOT to FlyingWonkey, always spot on with the Tekken news
GhostTrick
Banned
Judging from the comments in this thread, it gives them zero benefits. PC owners are the only one that might benefit from such a deal and Sony looks to be in no mood to offer such a service for them. #4ThePlayers essentially means #4ThePlayersWhoBoughtPSSystem and they are not a charity to cater to every need aside from their own
Infact if we go by this thread, this will result in more people buying the PS4 version, so more money for them as they get money from every game sold for PS4.
It's not about charity, it's about players playing on PlayStation system. Because yes, Crossplay is a pro, not a con. No, PC owners aren't the only one that might benefit that, that's the narrative we're reading when it comes to people defending the fact that one party (whenever it is Sony or Microsoft, I'm not arguing that) doesn't want to do something that would benefit their userbase.
It's not about Sony's mood, it's about at some point, even if you're leading sales, you want to keep your garden green, by cultivating your userbase by offering better services.
Crossplay as a whole is a policy. It's not only about Tekken, it's also about thinking more about games and less about platforms.
cm osi
Member
microsoft looooooves to talk. do tell me why they didn't get final fantasy 14?
Acerac
Banned
It would also help the fans of the game for all systems. Granted, at this point Sony doesn't seem to have much need to worry about customer service.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Here is something.
If they would have allowed cross-play, more people would have bought it on PC. Meaning potential loss of sales for them.
Tekken is not a million seller on Steam and still a new territory. It remains to be seen what userbase it can cultivate on PC and judging from the numbers of similar Japanese fighting games like Street Fighter and Guilty Gear, it is a very niche market on PC. So losing a potential 100k userbase is a blimp in the radar for Sony and they could bring more PS4 version sales by not allowing it.
It is not that hard to understand it. They aren't committed to providing such a support on PC unlike Microsoft, who want to build their Windows platform hence they have some stake in the PC market.
They're definitely not worried about servicing customers of other platforms.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why would they care about serving the Xbox and PC community? It's a given that PS4 will have biggest Tekken 7 community by far. Probably bigger than Xbox and PC combined. Basically a "not my problem" scenario from their perspective.
CerebralTiger
Member
Lack of crossplay with the ps4 certainly makes the pc version a less viable option for those with access to both platforms, given that the former will have a larger online usebase in this case. That, in turn, benefits Sony with more sales on their platform.
But why would a platform holder think more about games and less about platforms?
DarkLordMalik
Member
The usual multiplayer games? There have been countless of them since the release of the PS4 Pro. Rocket League like indie game 'Disc Jam' is free for PS Plus users next month and I doubt it will be cross-play between PC and PS4. Tekken is another example here.
The only exception that I can see here is for MMO games which usually have a huge market on PC and hence cross-play benefits consoles.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah that would be my guess too or just made it required to have some shady one sided clauses.
GhostTrick
Banned
You're taking the problem in reverse. You're talking benefits for the PC version, I'm talking about the benefits for PS users. Let's be real: The userbase question will be determinent for a really few users. People will always choose first and foremost their choice based on their ecosystem of choice.
Sure, not allowing it will make a few people get the PS4 version, but that's seeing things in the really short term because on the other hand, your system supporting crossplay is a selling point. Crossplay doesn't mean providing support to PC: This isn't even something they'd have to provide. But it does provide support to their own platform and their own userbase, by allowing games to have a bigger population, regardless of the platform.
Not the platform holder, but the gamers. As for the platform holder, making your software ecosystem last longer is in their interest.
SFV on pc look much better than ps4.
it seems to me that crossplay with ps4 and pc fall into two categories so far. games with their own servers that are willing to put in the work for crossplay like rocket league or ff xiv and games that are supported by sony that are allowed to do it like sfv. doesn't seem like many games have fallen into either of them so far.
I wish Harada could be more specific, but at least he's not propagating the "PC if full of cheaters" rhetoric like he was last time.
I'll still get it on PC. On the one hand I'd like to support games with cross-plat play, but on the other would also like to encourage more console-only franchises to come over as well.
I'll still get it on PC. On the one hand I'd like to support games with cross-plat play, but on the other would also like to encourage more console-only franchises to come over as well.
Acerac
Banned
Of course. Neither are they worried about giving their own customers a larger playerbase to play with.
A high tide raises all ships, all communities would benefit from the move even if Sony's community would be the most self sufficient.
Hell, I'd not even comment about it minus that whole #4theplayers nonsense they were running with. Allowing a larger community is certainly a player oriented decision, while having a walled community doesn't seem to have the same motivation.
Lmao!
StrongBlackVine
Banned
#4theirownplayers. Same as every other platform owner.
Looks like the balls are in everyone's face not just Sony.
Acerac
Banned
Is having a larger community not beneficial to Playstation owners?
I think Sony doesn't want to breach the seal on Xbox <-> Playstation.
ultimately they're ok with some controlled PS4 <-> PC, but to make a precedent for Xbox to PS, it must affect their sales strategy more directly than PC crossplay. And it has longer effects since players would expect console to console crossplay a lot more often.
edit: yeah I will probably not buy until a 50% steam sale or something. I will play it at my friends house on his PS4 or Xbox though.
...except he hates Tekken now, because they changed his Kazuya.
ultimately they're ok with some controlled PS4 <-> PC, but to make a precedent for Xbox to PS, it must affect their sales strategy more directly than PC crossplay. And it has longer effects since players would expect console to console crossplay a lot more often.
edit: yeah I will probably not buy until a 50% steam sale or something. I will play it at my friends house on his PS4 or Xbox though.
...except he hates Tekken now, because they changed his Kazuya.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Welp. PC version is dead.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
For me it's not. Couldn't care less about playing with people on Xbox and I would definitely opt out of playing against PC players.
It already has an audience equivalent to two Xbox one audiences. Also Sony not allowing xplay gives them the competitive advantage, and from what I remember people want more competition between the two.
Altered Juice
Member
There goes the PC community. Drive-by for one month then back to counter strike
It's already big enough, so I don't see why PS owners should demand cross-play it doesn't affect them.