ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Do you opt out in SFV?
None of that explains why none of them can't do PC cross-play. That version is dead and buried with this news.
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Harada: Tekken 7 won't have xplay because 1st party security reasons, ask them
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None of that explains why none of them can't do PC cross-play. That version is dead and buried with this news.
CountAntonius
Member
The larger the player pool to draw from the better matchmaking works. It's a simple concept the benefits every gamer. If you find yourself arguing for the side of a corporation and cheerleading their lack of cross platform support you are more fanboy than gamer.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I ended up returning it after the poor state it released in, but if I had kept I absolutely was going to opt out of cross-play.
LiquidSolid
Member
Street Fighter V only came out last year... You seriously think they've completely changed that policy, one they've had for like 10 years, in the space of 6 months? What is this nonsense?
A simple Google would tell you that there are still PS4/PC games coming out, like this one in January:
http://gamerhub.tv/article/31946/siegecraft-commander-available-on-multiple-platforms
The actual reason why cross-play isn't happening is because Bandai Namco doesn't give a shit. Which is the exact reason I guessed last year when Tekken 7 cross-play first came up via a Twitter post of all things.
Acerac
Banned
That's fair, but not at all representative of anything. Hell, I'd venture to say that those who prefer a more exclusive playerbase are a pretty small minority.
Oh, I wouldn't disagree, it's a very smart business decision. Just not in any way #4theplayers.
I think we mostly agree about why this is happening, we're just doing it in a disagreeable manner. Apologies for that. ^^;
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Why opt out? That's just more players online. Does cross-play mess up your connection?
the article said it was because he didn't want to split the PC user base
Bits N Pieces
Member
Platform holders play to there strengths. From a business perspective it makes sense for the stances that both Sony and MS have adopted.
Not best for consumers but best for business, there business.
Not best for consumers but best for business, there business.
fluffydelusions
Member
Pretty much. Which sucks cause I imagine the PC version of Tekken 7 will look and play amazing but I don't want to be matched up with the same couple people all the time. I had that issue with SFIV on PC.
LelouchZero
Member
They don't want any yucky PC gamer cooties! :O
All that matters is the money ball.
wastedyears
Member
'4ThePlayers' is a marketing slogan, not the principle around which policy decisions are made.
Acerac
Banned
I can't understand anyone who loves a game wanting to see the community cut off in to sections. More players means better matchmaking, quicker, even if your playerbase is well established. This in turns leads to a longer life for the game, which seems like a pretty big victory for all those who enjoy playing it?
Granted if you're gonna drop the game in a month or so it doesn't matter. Perhaps you are only looking to enjoy the game for that length of time, and can't understand any other perspective?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Hackers/cheaters.
LordKasual
Banned
"Dont ask me again"??
Is he serious?
Or else what????
I'm sure that when people go on forum boards and bring their console war armchair IT conspiracies to his twitter channel, it can get frustrating pretty fast
but Harada gives no fucks so
i don't think that's wanting to see the community split. but if you recognize that you'll likely be playing with the majority of the community on ps4 you probably won't care about it as much as someone planning to buy it on pc. you'll commiserate with but probably not fight for.
Bullshit. Developers do actually want their games to be as good as possible, but a non-infinite amount of resources combined with multiple platform policies means that everything isn't a possibility.
"Dont ask me again"??
Is he serious?
Or else what????
Do you not know Harada or something?
Acerac
Banned
Absolutely valid point, though fighting probably was a poor term to use in the first place as no amount of effort from any fan's part will make any difference. I just thought it a shame as somebody who enjoys having large, diverse communities for any competitive games I enjoy.
"Dont ask me again"??
Is he serious?
Or else what????
Maybe check his twitter time line and the tweets he is getting constantly.
Harada should just go Kamiya route and block people.
wah?
All these Cyber Security majors in here know what's up. I didn't know that they majority of people on NeoGAF were one. That's awesome.
Anyways, the difference between the PS4 version of SFV and PC is very minor. As you can see here from a Titan XP screenshot compared to a PS4 screen shot. The PC version is downsampled from 4K.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/202564
The only thing that is fixed is the dithering and the picture quality is better, but not by much.
THERE ARE some post processing effects that the PC has that the PS4 doesn't and it looks pretty damn good in motion, but it's not good for screenshots.
Now Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator is a different case. The IQ enhances the games graphical fidelity by a huge amount.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194084
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194087
Anyways, the difference between the PS4 version of SFV and PC is very minor. As you can see here from a Titan XP screenshot compared to a PS4 screen shot. The PC version is downsampled from 4K.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/202564
The only thing that is fixed is the dithering and the picture quality is better, but not by much.
THERE ARE some post processing effects that the PC has that the PS4 doesn't and it looks pretty damn good in motion, but it's not good for screenshots.
Now Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator is a different case. The IQ enhances the games graphical fidelity by a huge amount.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194084
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194087
ethomaz
Banned
That is the best think to do in SFV.
Nobody wants to play against cheaters... fair play is essential to online play.
LiquidSolid
Member
Bullshit? Really?
1. Bandai Namco determines how many resources the devs get.
2. Read the post I was replying to, it was about PS4/PC cross-play, not PS4/Xbox/PC cross-play.
LelouchZero
Member
What kind of cheats? Macros? Lag switching? I've never seen any 'cheaters' in SFV.
ethomaz
Banned
So you never played against PC players lol
The first thing they do is alt+tab before match... so you become lagged while they plays fine.
PC player in my online play = turn off PC cross-play option please. That is the easy... there a lot of more cheaters and hackers in SFV.
Cross-play is something I always supported... until see how it works against PC players. Today I prefer my console bubble.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Wait is this shit for real?
Motherfuck. I'm so going to set mine to PS4 players only. Assholes. Funny thing is, I still beat a few of those cheating PC pricks. I was wondering why they were teleporting all over the place while the connection strength of the match was full bars.
Lee Chaolan
Member
How not Excellent.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Doesn't change my post though.
I simply said Sony is currently the only one against it. I never said Microsoft had an open door policy about it.
They aren't going to do cross play for one and not the other. Either way, it's either your conspiracy theories, or Harada's playing it straight and can't implement cross play. Who's more believable?
I don't have to say who in here, you already know
Yes but you are wrong. Sony isn't against it. There's multiple games that prove that. It is Microsoft that is against it and it seems like there's multiple games that could have been on xbox one but they are not allowing it.
"Dont ask me again"??
Is he serious?
Or else what????
I like Harada but he's being a bit of a dick here. You don't dictate to your consumers in a rude manner no matter what they ask of you.
ethomaz
Banned
Yes it is.
Yes... the game tells you when you are playing against PC... what you experienced is how most PC matches happens.
After turn off PC players the online play become fair and fun.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Go ask Kamiya on twitter for his thoughts on Bayonetta 2, then get back to me.
CadetMahoney
Member
Pretty much. I've given up on considering buying it, PC fighters don't have longevity and crossplay is necessary.
It's actually a weight off my shoulders as I can focus on other games.
The Artisan
Member
maybe they don't have to. the arcade version is based on PC architecture so it shouldn't take much effort on their part for the PC version to look the best
huh, I really don't think launching the Ps4 pro has changed the general appeal of consoles...competition between PC and Ps4 pro or not remains the same, PC gamers will be PC gamers. the PC platform is a beast in its own, separate from any console platform because it requires much more knowledge about hardware specifications for the consumer.
so, no way is sony right in thinking that PC is the direct competition and not xbone, and smh if this means there will be decline in crossplay shit like rocket league and sf5.
as they should be, if not surpass the arcade version
You gentlemen do know that alt+tabbing from a game is something everyone and their mother does on PC. It's called multi-tasking. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who alt tab are just browsing online. They aren't pricks. The game is just busted.
Then I guess the majority of PS4 players with full bars must be lag switching because you guys are teleporting all over the place when I play against you. Same thing happens when I play on my buddy's PS4. The online play just sucks for this game. I live in SoCal too so it shouldn't be that much of an issue to get players with great connections.
LiquidSolid
Member
Fuck off with the passive aggressive bullshit already.
No, I don't buy Harada's explanation. Why? Because his explanation is nothing but vague details and deflections. And no, this isn't some indictment of him, I just don't think it's a high enough priority for Bandai Namco or him to find a solution that may work.
Erm still doesn't change what I've said. Besides we know Kamiya is a running meme now so he has to live up to his reputation.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
"Dont ask me again"??
Is he serious?
Or else what????
@Harada_TEKKEN I have come up with new character for tekken look at it it has flamethrower and banana arm can you put it in game please it would mean a lot
Nemesis121
Member
Purchase went from day1 to whenever it gets cheap..
Edit....
On PC, i know this game will be a graveyard in 6 months..
$10 at the most for this game..
Edit....
On PC, i know this game will be a graveyard in 6 months..
$10 at the most for this game..
Megawarrior
Member
You guys are lucky Harada doesn't block people. He is always nice enough to answer questions most of the time if it's something he can reveal or talk about.
People already were able to try out the pc version like Airis (big Tekken player and commentator) stated that the pc version they've played last year was overall a great running game without any slowdowns (like the arcade version on some occasions), faster loading times and the visuals looked better than ever before (higher resolution, higher details, better aa).
And that was build from mid 2016 or so and Project Tekken team seems to be working hard to heavily optimise the game for the home launch (there are already many new improvements like faster loading speeds, instant rematch and they come closer to the arcade version visuals on PS4).
I don't think there will be a highly noticeable problem with players on pc.
A 1 vs 1 fighting game does not need 15 thousands of players playing at the same time.
My concern is that there is a huge missed opportunity to be the first xplay fighting game on all systems and a must have game for anyone to play against friends and opponents on all platforms.
I like to play against some people from my fighting game discord channel and met a lot of great people thanks to SF V.
Tekken 7 will make it harder for meet ups like that.
Only time will tell if there are enough players on pc for all circumstances.
Places like America and Europe probably won't really have issues but far out regions will have some trouble if there aren't enough players nearby.
And that was build from mid 2016 or so and Project Tekken team seems to be working hard to heavily optimise the game for the home launch (there are already many new improvements like faster loading speeds, instant rematch and they come closer to the arcade version visuals on PS4).
I don't think there will be a highly noticeable problem with players on pc.
A 1 vs 1 fighting game does not need 15 thousands of players playing at the same time.
My concern is that there is a huge missed opportunity to be the first xplay fighting game on all systems and a must have game for anyone to play against friends and opponents on all platforms.
I like to play against some people from my fighting game discord channel and met a lot of great people thanks to SF V.
Tekken 7 will make it harder for meet ups like that.
Only time will tell if there are enough players on pc for all circumstances.
Places like America and Europe probably won't really have issues but far out regions will have some trouble if there aren't enough players nearby.
HD Duck Pics
Member
Because Microsoft wanted Xbox users to have their own separate server.
Microsoft's new (as in last year) crossplay policies require an opt-out option, which ends up causing the same problem that blocked FF14 in the first place. Square Enix isn't going to run a separate set of servers just for Xbox.
And Psyonix has told us that everything is in place on their end to support total crossplay and Sony are the one's blocking it.
You can't say blanketly that Sony is "against" it full stop for all we know cross play may be a W10 only feature which would defeat the purpose altogether, iirc there was a game on W10 and Steam that didn't let them play with each other and the number of people who played online with the W10 version was not only segregated but in the double digits.