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[Plywood]

"Dont ask me again"??

Is he serious?

Or else what????

He probably gets tweeted about it everyday, I'm sure it got annoying fast. "Or else what?" Well, he'll probably block you.

 

[Alucrid]

You can't say blanketly that Sony is "against" it full stop for all we know cross play may be a W10 only feature which would defeat the purpose altogether, iirc there was a game on W10 and Steam that didn't let them play with each other and the number of people who played online with the W10 version was not only segregated but in the double digits.

it was CoD IW and MW RE

 

[Leafhopper]

"Dont ask me again"??

Is he serious?


Or else what????

You would get tired of that question too from people who think most fighting games aren't P2P.

There goes the PC community. Drive-by for one month then back to counter strike

Kinda hate this mindset. I play all the fighting games I know continuously but, this stuff is dumb and does happen it kinda sucks.

So you never played against PC players lol

The first thing they do is alt+tab before match... so you become lagged while they plays fine.

PC player in my online play = turn off PC cross-play option please. That is the easy... there a lot of more cheaters and hackers in SFV.

Cross-play is something I always supported... until see how it works against PC players. Today I prefer my console bubble.

You are aware that people cheat on console right? Like all the time and in the case of SFV its probably just as much as PC.

 

[The Artisan]

Yes but you are wrong. Sony isn't against it. There's multiple games that prove that. It is Microsoft that is against it and it seems like there's multiple games that could have been on xbox one but they are not allowing it.

if sony isn't against it, why haven't we heard any updates on it? last year there was the big reveal where mS said they're finally all for it, then there's silence from sony's camp. so what's the holdup?

 

[Synth]

You can't say blanketly that Sony is "against" it full stop for all we know cross play may be a W10 only feature which would defeat the purpose altogether, iirc there was a game on W10 and Steam that didn't let them play with each other and the number of people who played online with the W10 version was not only segregated but in the double digits.

It's clearly not a requirement for the game to be Win10, as Rocket League isn't.

Requiring crossplay be optional is a policy that will rule out some games (such as FFXIV), but otherwise there's little reason to assume MS is the issue here, and plenty of reasons to believe Sony is.

 

[Lothars]

if sony isn't against it, why haven't we heard any updates on it? last year there was the big reveal where mS said they're finally all for it, then there's silence from sony's camp. so what's the holdup?

You've heard one comment from Microsoft but no proof especially when games like ffxiv are not on the Xbox because of Microsoft.

Sony has multiple games that are cross play.

It's clearly not a requirement for the game to be Win10, as Rocket League isn't.

Requiring crossplay be optional is a policy that will rule out some games (such as FFXIV), but otherwise there's little reason to assume MS is the issue here, and plenty of reasons to believe Sony is.

there's plenty of reason to believe Microsoft is the issue.

 

[Synth]

Sony has multiple games that are cross play.
there's plenty of reason to believe Microsoft is the issue.

Sony have plenty of crossplay games between PS4+PC. That isn't any reason to believe they would allow crossplay with Xbox. MS has explicitly stated they would allow crossplay with PlayStation.

What's the plenty of reasons (that aren't outdated ones from last gen) to believe MS is the issue as of today?

 

[CountAntonius]

Yes but you are wrong. Sony isn't against it. There's multiple games that prove that. It is Microsoft that is against it and it seems like there's multiple games that could have been on xbox one but they are not allowing it.

"Right now, we're literally at the point where all we need is the go-ahead on the Sony side and we can, in less than a business day, turn [cross-platform play] on and have it up and working, no problem," Jeremy Dunham, vice president of Rocket League developer Psyonix told IGN

Link
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016...hurdle-to-cross-platform-play-developers-say/
This thread however has derailed because this has to do with an entirely different circumstance which is P2P which seems much more complicated the. dedicated servers.

 

[ethomaz]

You are aware that people cheat on console right? Like all the time and in the case of SFV its probably just as much as PC.

I'm aware that after turn PC off I didn't have more cheaters issues...

 

[Lothars]

Sony have plenty of crossplay games between PS4+PC. That isn't any reason to believe they would allow crossplay with Xbox. MS has explicitly stated they would allow crossplay with PlayStation.

What's the plenty of reasons (that aren't outdated ones from last gen) to believe MS is the issue as of today?

Not allowing any of the mmos, historical being against cross play.so yes I don't believe Microsoft when there actions have been the opposite of what they say.

"Right now, we're literally at the point where all we need is the go-ahead on the Sony side and we can, in less than a business day, turn [cross-platform play] on and have it up and working, no problem," Jeremy Dunham, vice president of Rocket League developer Psyonix told IGN

Link
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016...hurdle-to-cross-platform-play-developers-say/

I saw that previously but that goes against things sony has done in the past with cross platform play.

 

[trixx]

This sucks and isn't a good look for online scenario for marvel vs Capcom infinite
But hopefully that has cross play

 

[Synth]

Not allowing any of the mmos, historical being against cross play.so yes I don't believe Microsoft when there actions have been the opposite of what they say.

So yea, outdated info. It was very clear that MS were against crossplatform play (at least outside of XBL) last gen. That's not the case this gen, and they've been publicly clear about that. Sony on the other hand has been dodging the question as best they can in response.

The one obstacle we know exists for Xbox crossplay is that it has to be optional. For an MMO this is likely to be a deal breaker as it would mean running a separate Xbox only server (same as would have been required of crossplay was not allowed). This logic doesn't work for any game that would be on Xbox anyway, such as Tekken 7... or recently Rocket League, which as a result does have crossplay... just not between Xbox and PlayStation, which the developer has made crystal clear is a result of Sony not allowing it.

 

[DalikSkywing]

Not allowing any of the mmos, historical being against cross play.so yes I don't believe Microsoft when there actions have been the opposite of what they say.

I saw that previously but that goes against things sony has done in the past with cross platform play.

Sony has never done anything to show they support cross platforms. Show me these past receipts.

 

[fluffydelusions]

This sucks and isn't a good look for online scenario for marvel vs Capcom infinite
But hopefully that has cross play

Sfv does so hopefully MvC does too

 

[trixx]

Sfv does so hopefully MvC does too

Yeah hopefully at least ps4/PC cross play. Honestly though I'd understand why Sony wouldn't be interested in the prospect of cross play with xbox
They'd likely have bigger competitive base. Sf5 as Sony console exclusive was good move for them imo

 

[deadscreensky]

Not allowing any of the mmos, historical being against cross play.so yes I don't believe Microsoft when there actions have been the opposite of what they say.

We know why the MMOs aren't playing along, and that's because MS wants players to be able to turn off crossplay at their discretion. MMO servers and their general gameplay setup don't really allow that. There's no inconsistency there.

The safe odds are this is Sony's thing again, like with Rocket League, but without inside information it's definitely hard to say for sure. At least Harada this time is only blaming security -- I'm used to him blaming "SJWs", people who want diversity in games instead of "actual problems", and other generally dumb reactionary excuses.

 

[Alucrid]

Yeah hopefully at least ps4/PC cross play. Honestly though I'd understand why Sony wouldn't be interested in the prospect of cross play with xbox

would be strange and i wonder if microsoft would object to ps4 having cross play exclusivity. of course if they're able to do both xbox/pc and ps4/pc it kinda makes the tekken situation look bad.

 

[The Artisan]

would be strange and i wonder if microsoft would object to ps4 having cross play exclusivity. of course if they're able to do both xbox/pc and ps4/pc it kinda makes the tekken situation look bad.

i think that's exactly why harada doesn't want to do it

 

[gtj1092]

It's clearly not a requirement for the game to be Win10, as Rocket League isn't.

Requiring crossplay be optional is a policy that will rule out some games (such as FFXIV), but otherwise there's little reason to assume MS is the issue here, and plenty of reasons to believe Sony is.

How is Sony the issue in this situation? If MS is the hero we deserve then why isn't there PC/X1 cross play for this game?

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

I asked Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler. I await their responses.

#bringbackxplay

Did I do it right?

Spoiler

am I late to this joke?

 

[Synth]

How is Sony the issue in this situation? If MS is the hero we deserve then why isn't there PC/X1 cross play for this game?

Same could be asked of why there isn't PC/PS4 crossplay. Seems they're taking an all-or-nothing approach where either all platforms play together or none do.

 

[petran79]

You gentlemen do know that alt+tabbing from a game is something everyone and their mother does on PC. It's called multi-tasking. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who alt tab are just browsing online. They aren't pricks. The game is just busted.

Then I guess the majority of PS4 players with full bars must be lag switching because you guys are teleporting all over the place when I play against you. Same thing happens when I play on my buddy's PS4. The online play just sucks for this game. I live in SoCal too so it shouldn't be that much of an issue to get players with great connections.

It is due to the asymmetric netcode of SFV. PS4 loses some frames while in online mode, so a faster PC needs to make up for it, thus the teleporting. Also a great deal of PS4 players use wireless.
Tekken's netcode will probably be better but I guess PC players should just be happy they are getting the game in the first place.

 

[The Artisan]

You've heard one comment from Microsoft but no proof especially when games like ffxiv are not on the Xbox because of Microsoft.

Sony has multiple games that are cross play.
there's plenty of reason to believe Microsoft is the issue.

ffs14 is an old game though it doesn't make sense to make an xbone port for it now. if SE were to come out with another mmorpg that's supposed to be crossplay i'm sure mS would be on baord this time around.

and yes, we heard one comment from mS but obviously crossplay needs to go both ways - we haven't heard a comment from sony since mS's.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I thought no cross play was confirmed before?

 

[The Artisan]

I thought no cross play was confirmed before?

it pretty much was but that won't stop people from wanting it

 

[Xpliskin]

Gonna single-handedly represent the PC community, come at me

 

[The Artisan]

Gonna single-handedly represent the PC community, come at me

if the 360 version of Tekken 6 wasn't dead (first tekken game on xbox), then the first tekken game on PC won't be dead either.

 

[LordKasual]

The only thing that is fixed is the dithering and the picture quality is better, but not by much.
THERE ARE some post processing effects that the PC has that the PS4 doesn't and it looks pretty damn good in motion, but it's not good for screenshots.

Now Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator is a different case. The IQ enhances the games graphical fidelity by a huge amount.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194084
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/194087

Off topic, but that game is a visual masterpiece, my god

 

[mikezilla2]

Just how many Games are sever Based on console these days ?

 

[leeh]

Makes sense with this being P2P. I can imagine all parties aren't a fan of this.

You can't say blanketly that Sony is "against" it full stop for all we know cross play may be a W10 only feature which would defeat the purpose altogether, iirc there was a game on W10 and Steam that didn't let them play with each other and the number of people who played online with the W10 version was not only segregated but in the double digits.

They are. For the children and all that.

It's not a W10 feature, it's literally any platform which want to do it can do it. The game you're on about is Call of Duty and it was Activision who chose to not let the two versions play together.

If you're going to correct people, at least get your facts straight.

Just how many Games are sever Based on console these days ?

On Xbox, I can't think of the last game I played which doesn't use servers. Only exception are fighting games from what I can think of.

 

[leeh]

Double post.

 

[Shin]

More than cross play/cross platform I'm surprised people aren't making noise about P2P servers when they are paying more for games on console.

 

[sixteen-bit]

would a fighting game need to be server based? Any examples?

 

[amdb00mer]

Sony allows it though, the question is would MS allow cross play on Steam, which would be politics on MS's half as well.

MS does allow Xplay with Steam (Rocket League) and Switch (Rocket league, when it releases and Minecraft when the free better together update launches). Also, KI is coming to steam later on and MS will allow Xplay there as well. The best way to continue making money is to keep the user base active on all the platforms buying skins, characters, etc.

 

[Shin]

would a fighting game need to be server based? Any examples?

Probably not as it isn't as taxing as MMO, my previous remark was more of a general thing.

 

[Trup1aya]

More than cross play/cross platform I'm surprised people aren't making noise about P2P servers when they are paying more for games on console.

My understanding is P2P is the best way to deliver a fighting game.

http://mauve.mizuumi.net/2012/07/05/understanding-fighting-game-networking/

Basically with just 2 players, connecting them directly allows for better synchronization.

It doesn't scale up well though, so the more players, the more beneficial dedi's are.