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Hardcore & HD gamers: Are you feeling Super Mario Galaxy's G-Force?

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Aske said:
Metroid looks amazing, but Zelda and RE:4 - the best games I've played on the Wii thus far - look shockingly bad.
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eh, I wouldn't be so worried about Mario. Don't forget, Zelda and RE:4 are in fact Gamecube games
 
Not really feeling SMG. The concept is so abstract - I dunno. I suppose since I never grew up with Mario, seeing stuff like him flying around a tiny planet in a bee suit looks ridiculous, not awesome. It just doesn't have any allure to me.
 
HD gamers should try to remember that 20 years ago they were playing with Super Mario Bros. with a shitty TV and RF Cable. I'm the first that say that graphics and visuals are important. But recently it became an obsession. For example, a game like Starfox Adventures was visually stunning in 2002, but after a while it became boring, sign that graphics is not everything.

Games like Ocarina of Time, or Donkey Kong Country 2 or Super Mario Bros. 3 today are visually archaic, but I still can have fun with them.

It is a combination of factor that determine if a game is great or not, and NOT a single point.
That's why Super Mario Galaxy is awesome: it has all ! It has great, not gimmickly gameplay, great graphics (for the Wii), orchestrated sound (and very good old and new tunes), GREAT art design and high degree of freedom. And most of all, it is fun !

When I play I always try to not think at the number of pixels or technical specs or light/particle effects. I try just to have fun. A thing that unfortunately most of the hardcore doesn't know anymore...
 
Why do people keep making it out that it has something to do with it not being "HD"?
Very few people give a real shit.
The majority of my gaming time is on PS1 games that I snagged from PSN or on Classic collections released for PS2 or arcade games on MAME.
I love my hd games also but it IS possible to not be all gaga stupid over SMG and and it not have anything to do with the resolution.
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
When I play I always try to not think at the number of pixels or technical specs or light/particle effects. I try just to have fun. A thing that unfortunately most of the hardcore doesn't know anymore...
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I seriously think you are going about this argument the wrong way. Saying that "hardcore" gamers do not know what fun is just because their taste in games differs from yours is just trolling.

Edit: And yes, I love playing old games too, I get a kick out of playing Diablo 1 with Ironman rules and stuff like that all the time. The game is not HD, it doesnt have the best graphics. I still enjoy it more than every single game that has released so far this year. This however does not mean that Mario is for me, the gameplay of the 3d marios has never appealed to me so far.
 
out of the entire Wii lineup, this is the only game i would actually buy one for.

anyone know what worldwide presales are at? besides Japan.
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
HD gamers should try to remember that 20 years ago they were playing with Super Mario Bros. with a shitty TV and RF Cable. I'm the first that say that graphics and visuals are important. But recently it became an obsession. For example, a game like Starfox Adventures was visually stunning in 2002, but after a while it became boring, sign that graphics is not everything.
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Not all of us resorted to RF back in the day. Only if I knew about it accepting Svideo using the RCA Chroma and Luminance cables to an RCA coupler to an Svideo jack, then I would of used it for the SNES/Genesis/N64 days instead of getting my own 19" TV. Now I know more, hopefully we would have two monitors running in the basement for retro gaming excitement for the younger relatives.

As for SMG, I do not think I would get a Wii this season and I wonder how would this compare to R&CF:ToD, in terms of gameplay? I heard some amazing retro stuff in SMG with the SMB styled powerups from reading this thread.
 
Stink said:
I'm a PAL user, the official Scart lead didn't have seperate audio cables at all. Couple this with Pro Logic II and I don't think Nintendo really want you to plug it into a hifi.
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My Yamaha receiver does PLII. Part of the reason why I bought it was for Gamecube Audio. Older Reciever now I guess (5 years+).
 
its strange for me, this is the first generation where the old nintendo standbys just don't grab at me anymore. i used to FLIP out at the idea of a new zelda, metroid, or mario. day one, obsess until i beat them 100%, and all that. i'm talking from back in the NES days all the way up through gamecube/ds days. but now twilight princess is out (i've had the gamecube copy laying right here for like 3 months, borrowed from a friend), metroid prime 3 is out, and mario galaxy is right around the corner, and i just don't have any interest. i haven't even booted up TP to see what it looks like yet.

i'm sure ill pick up a wii some day and play though it though.
 
Belgorim said:
I seriously think you are going about this argument the wrong way. Saying that "hardcore" gamers do not know what fun is just because their taste in games differs from yours is just trolling.
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Of course, I was not talking for everyone, dude. And I never said that what I say is law. It is my opinion.
Anyway, this is a trend that is increasing in magnitude. The Wii and the decision of Nintendo to not support HD has provoked a sort of explosion of this phenomenon.
While I agree that most of Wii's games look like crap and that don't deserve attention, I also think that a good part of games are artistically stunning, even if the number of pixels generated is limited by SD. But this is not enough for most of high-end hardcore fans, whom biggest priorities in a game are a list of specs.

People needs to restart to judge a game playing it personally.
 
As a PS3 owner (I wanted an HD game player, and PS3 is a fine system for that) I look at SMG media (captures, videos) and I see a game more exciting, fresh, varied and fun than all the PS3 catalog of this year (Uncharted and Ratchet included). It's exactly the game I was dying to play, the next-gen gameplay experience I though I would play in Sony's console... I was wrong.

All SMG oozes of excellent gameplay design, beautiful and colorful worlds, wonderful animations, INCREDIBLE music, epicness, joy: it's perfect, the perfect game, or at least the most perfect game I've ever seen. I love what I've seen of the game until now. In fact, I am surprised that there are people that hates it or hates Mario, to me is like to hate having fun.

I don't have a Wii, but I am so hyped for this game that every now and then I think about selling my PS3 to purchase a Wii and one copy of SMG when is available, only to have it earlier. Is that good. Maybe I'll do it after all :D.
 
Warm Machine said:
My Yamaha receiver does PLII. Part of the reason why I bought it was for Gamecube Audio. Older Reciever now I guess (5 years+).
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I meant PLII instead of a decent optical output + DD on the Wii, not that it was a rare or good feature or anything.
 
I'd be interested to know how many of the detractors here have played DK Jungle Beat, the Mario Galaxy team's prior game. And I don't mean that you just raced through a level in 2 minutes at a demo kiosk, I mean played enough of it to get a handle on the combo system, which was an integral part of the game.

Unless you just really despise platformers, that resume should be enough to give anyone boundless optimism and excitement for Mario Galaxy.
 
I can certainly appreciate the humongous amount of work, effort, and creativity that's being put into SMG, and even from the relatively little media I've seen it looks absolutely phenomenal.

Shame it's in a genre I'm pretty apathetic about, though. >_>
 
Matt_C said:
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Not all of us resorted to RF back in the day. Only if I knew about it accepting Svideo using the RCA Chroma and Luminance cables to an RCA coupler to an Svideo jack, then I would of used it for the SNES/Genesis/N64 days instead of getting my own 19" TV. Now I know more, hopefully we would have two monitors running in the basement for retro gaming excitement for the younger relatives.

As for SMG, I do not think I would get a Wii this season and I wonder how would this compare to R&CF:ToD, in terms of gameplay? I heard some amazing retro stuff in SMG with the SMB styled powerups from reading this thread.
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I remember getting that monitor for like $25 at a yardsale when Nintendo was still pretty new and it made games look so so so much better.
Mad mad love for it.
 
I just buy all the systems and get the good games for them, simple enough. I tend to play HD 360/PS3 games more now than Wii games and older SD games but I get the good Wii games and enjoy them. Definitely hugely aniticipating SMG.

Oh, and side note: To the person above re: DK: Jungle Beat, I'm glad SMG looks nothing like it, IMO one of the most overrated games on NeoGAF and far from the best platformer last gen as many here believe.
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
HD gamers should try to remember that 20 years ago they were playing with Super Mario Bros. with a shitty TV and RF Cable. I'm the first that say that graphics and visuals are important. But recently it became an obsession. For example, a game like Starfox Adventures was visually stunning in 2002, but after a while it became boring, sign that graphics is not everything.
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Yeah, and 30 years ago, we were having fun with pong, an ultra basic game with shitty gameplay.
Screw gfx, screw gameplay, give us pong back.
 
Raist said:
Yeah, and 30 years ago, we were having fun with pong, an ultra basic game with shitty gameplay.
Screw gfx, screw gameplay, give us pong back.
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Are trying to make some sort of point?
Cause i'm definitely trying to myself by asking if you are!

:lol
 
Oh yes, I know perfectly well what you're talking about. I remember the hype for SM64 being CRAZY back in the days, in all the mags I read, people I talked to - it was THE game. And I HAD to get it as soon as possible, no matter what. So I bought a Japanese N64, and I had never even bought anything on import before that, along with the game. And I was...disappointed, and realized there was no way the game ever would've lived up to the hype in the first place.
I also realized SM64 wasn't really for me.
So no, even though I admit SMG looks creative and fun in vids, I'm not going insane over the game. I'm sure I'll try it somewhere down the line, just like I gave Super Mario Sunshine a fair chance...but I'm not excited enough to get a Wii for SMG or anything. Zack & Wiki is more my thing, in that case. :P
 
Raist said:
Yeah, and 30 years ago, we were having fun with pong, an ultra basic game with shitty gameplay.
Screw gfx, screw gameplay, give us pong back.
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Did you just diss Pong?

Okay, buddy, now it's personal.
 
Although I'm a Nintendo fan, I have been kind of anti Wii for many reasons (I like the motion controls but absolutely hate that Nintendo stayed back a gen in terms of console horsepower, I also really really hate the name of the console) but SMG has me sold. I think it will be GOTY this year and I don't think it could've been made any better if the developers had the power of the 360 or PS3 available. Everything about it seems amazing, the music, the graphics and the gameplay.

I especially love the orchestrated music though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epz9684m5f4
 
I really like platformers and there are few good platformers and even fewer ones that don't concentrate on weapons or enemies too much.

Seeing SMG and all the platforming mechanics in it makes me really excited for that game. But that is only game so far on the Wii that would excite me as much as that one and so I would not want to buy a Wii just for that one game and then have to hope others I liked followed. I would probably do what I have done with most systems and wait until there are several games I would really want to play and then buy. If not, then the only other way would be if sometime down the road there was ever a possibility to just rent both the system and the game (probably way down the road before that would be available, though).

I would have to also see how well I liked the Wii controls for it. I have heard they are spot on for this game so that may help, but so far, for me, for games that I have tried on the Wii, I have not liked the Wii controls. I seem to prefer the traditional analog sticks - I seem to be able to get quick control I want while easily keeping within the limits of the controller even in the heat of difficult game spots (I have the dug in ridges in the base of the analog sticks to show for that, lol). Whereas when I get strongly going with the Wiimote I end up moving it too much and finding myself not pointing at the screen and having to readjust. Like I said, it may be that SMG has better control and also I may get used to making smaller gestures over time with the Wiimote to where I get more used to using it (although I still can't stop myself from pressing too hard on analog sticks, even though I know I shouldn't be doing that).
 
Kiriku said:
Oh yes, I know perfectly well what you're talking about. I remember the hype for SM64 being CRAZY back in the days, in all the mags I read, people I talked to - it was THE game. And I HAD to get it as soon as possible, no matter what. So I bought a Japanese N64, and I had never even bought anything on import before that, along with the game. And I was...disappointed, and realized there was no way the game ever would've lived up to the hype in the first place.
I also realized SM64 wasn't really for me.
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Yep I didn't care for SM64 either, it was cool to see that kind of a 3d game but gameplay itself was didn't grab me.

Tomb Raider on ther other hand, which came out around the same time, that game I enjoyed a lot more.

GremlinInTheMachine said:
If the PS3 were the market leader right now, would there be significantly fewer negative posts in this thread?
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No, Lair would still be the ugliest game ever made.
 
-WindYoshi- said:
Are trying to make some sort of point?
Cause i'm definitely trying to myself by asking if you are!

:lol
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The point being that this "but 20 years ago we had shitty gfx and still had fun" argument is stupid. Because we're in 2007 now, not 1987. So yes, there is a part of the gamers population that has high expectations when it comes to graphics.

While I still enjoy playing very old games, or new games with "old gfx", I can understand that some people don't, and want their next gen visuals fix. It's not because they played with a NES 20 years ago that asking for zomgwtf graphics now doesn't make sense at all.

We all play video games, there's "video" and there's "games" in it. Some people give more importance to one part, some to another, some to both. I don't see any problem with this.
 
Pureauthor said:
Did you just diss Pong?

Okay, buddy, now it's personal.
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I didn't :P
It was amazing, back in those times. Being able to control stuff on your TV. Not sure I'd have fun playing with it now :lol
 
amir0x, can't you like un-stupid a bunch of the stupid people in here (i.e., the ones who are like 'i'm 2 k00l 4 mario')
 
I'm looking forward to SMG because it's, like, a proper platformer. No silly weapons, no emphasis on beating up endless streams of enemies, no forced QTE sections... just proper gameplay.

I'm also kinda looking forward to Ratchet and Clank on PS3, but I'm slightly less excited about that. The demo was cool, but I think it is a little too shooty-action rather than platforming.
 
I'm more excited for SMG than any other game coming out for the rest of the year. Despite the fact that I've played Metroid & Mario games before, they come across feeling new again, just like they did before. It doesn't feel worn out to me like it probably does to others. As far as graphics go, Metroid is the best looking game I've played on Wii so far and I have to say that the graphical leap in PS3 & Xbox 360 are not the leap we have seen in previous generations. I'm just not seeing that big of an improvement between a game like MP3 and a game like Bioshock. Sure the graphics are better, but they're negligible. I got Halo 3 and MP3 around the same time and got bored with Halo rather quickly (I'm only playing SP atm) but Metroid, I'm constantly being surprised with the controls and graphics. I was so tired of shooters on 360 and here comes MP3 and it totally revitalized the genre for me. More and more I'm feeling that Wii is the most next gen system as far as gameplay is concerned while PS3 is the most next gen with all of it's features. I buy a game system to play games though, not do all of those other things that these new systems do. So far the only game I've played on 360 or PS3 that felt next-gen to me has been Gears of War. I will admit that certain genres just don't fit on Wii though and that's where other systems come in. Action games like Ninja Gaiden
or even Zelda:TP :0 gasp
need the instant calculation of a button press and not unresponsive waggling. Hopefully Wii2 will have that DVD - type button config with N,E,S,W buttons centered around the A button.

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you're not hardcore unless you played and loved a mario game

this is one of the foundation franchises, required curiculum before you can legally call yourself a hardcore gamer...otherwise your transfer credits won't count.
 
monchi-kun said:
you're not hardcore unless you played and loved a mario game

this is one of the foundation franchises, required curiculum before you can legally call yourself a hardcore gamer...otherwise your transfer credits won't count.
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Yeah, go tell that to the socom gamers that put 5 hours a night every night for YEARS into socom 2.



face it, gaming is much bigger than nintendo fandom.
 
PAYBACKill said:
Yeah, go tell that to the socom gamers that put 5 hours a night every night for YEARS into socom 2.



face it, gaming is much bigger than nintendo fandom.
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they're not hardcore, they just have free time....socom is like Liberal Arts classes, everyone takes em
 
Fragamemnon said:
The comment was also made in context to the audience addressed in the title-people who, in fact, do upgrade that often.
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While HD people might, I'm not sure all "hard core" gamers do. Then again, I define "hard core" based on the way people get into certain games, as opposed to simply buying all new "big" titles. Fire Emblem fanatics are "hard core gamers".
 
Wasn't wowed by Mario64 and I never finished Mario Sunshine. Played some SMG at gamestop and yes it's that damn good. I already have my preorder.:lol
 
Raist said:
The point being that this "but 20 years ago we had shitty gfx and still had fun" argument is stupid. Because we're in 2007 now, not 1987. So yes, there is a part of the gamers population that has high expectations when it comes to graphics.

While I still enjoy playing very old games, or new games with "old gfx", I can understand that some people don't, and want their next gen visuals fix. It's not because they played with a NES 20 years ago that asking for zomgwtf graphics now doesn't make sense at all.

We all play video games, there's "video" and there's "games" in it. Some people give more importance to one part, some to another, some to both. I don't see any problem with this.
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The big thing thing though is that people seem to forget that even then music and videos were still a big part, though archaic by todays standard the really remembered games of yesteryear are just as remembered for their look and sound as they are there gameplay. Even today I can still hum the themes to Ghost and Goblins, Contra, Zelda, Super Mario, etc, there was a time I thought MUSHA the best sounding game ever, and I truly thought MK looked real. For their time, these games were graphically and aurally the equilevents of todays PS3 nd XB360 games, and they had their graphic whores defending them.
 
Yup. I feel I've been wanting to and still want to play SMG, as I'm sure it will be amazing. Then reality hits and that and maybe one or two other games are the only things attracting me to the system. And by only things, I mean the only things. VC is worthless to me, I'd rather have the actual games if I'm going to get a straight ROM dump and I won't go into how near every aspect of the system's design focus actually disgusts me. So yeah, I want to play the game, as it's a Mario game and I'm sure it'll be superb, but no, I'll just have to be content with the deluge of superb games on my 360.
 
iidesuyo said:
I wait for Mario Galaxy, afterwards my Wii will most likely go to Ebay. The upcoming games don't excite me (another Smash Brothers, another Mario Kart, another Mario XYZ... where is the "revolution" Nintendo was bragging about, this is the same stuff as on GC and N64??). Oh and I'm going to buy an HDTV anyway. :D Luckily I didn't buy too many VC games.
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The revolution is Wii sports and like titles, which I assume you dont give a shit about. And you dont like bigger and better versions of past franchises. So, what exactly do you want?
 
What I don't get is why there's always..like a "need" to divide or actually ..force "gamers" into a group.

I mean....
What's this about asking "Hardcore and HD gamers" their thoughts on a Wii game??
Where those that leave multi console owners (like me..i.e. PSWii60 like some say.. :p )...
So I'm apparently hardcore (I've been playing games for over 20 years and posts in online forums and read gaming news)..and HD (have an LCD, and a 360 and a PS3), but I also have a Wii (2:1) so that cancels one of those aspects (1:1), am I still "hardcore" or just "HD"?? :p

And that's not including the so-called "casual gamer" that many like to mention around here..That same "casual" gamer that buys and play more games than most "hardcore" gamers on this forum...

And in the end most of this so-called "hardcores" are just "elitist gamers". The ones that only buy japanese games, non-dubbed games, games from Team ICO, own every numbered chapter of any long-running franchise...yet you give them any other game outside of those groups, and they fail miserably at it....there goes the "hardcore" gamer that can't even make a pass at Madden..or win a round at Fight Night, but as they say.."those gamers are targeted to casual gamers"..so, full cycle.. I think.. :p

So, yeah there are many people getting a Wii for Galaxy..and many that still won't get one. That doesn't make them more "hardcore"..or "less gamers" for that matter.
 
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