Stopsign said:
I definitely see where your coming from, but I'm talking more on the gamer side of thing. Your last sentence is sort of what I'm talking about, Mario is fun/cool to non-Nintendo fans, in fact I would say that it is probably their only series that is, except for maybe Brain Age. I probably did go a little overboard there on the whole "not enjoying life" thing, but whatever.
From a graphical perspective, I can see how you don't think Galaxy isn't the best looking game ever, just because it isn't. It has a great art style that sort of half erases the Wii's graphical limitations, but when compared to high end games on the PC, 360, and PS3 it really has no chance.
Edit: As the Sharp said, this thread was made to be a disaster for both sides.
Ok, thats fair...so all gamers , you are saying, like mario games? Honestly Ive been a gamer pretty much all of my life and I think Kirby > mario, just off the 3 mario games on nes I played via emulator. Graphics don't really enter into it. When a game looks like wii sports, yeah..then you kind of notice the game looks like shit, but mario looks fine. Not great, not mind bending, but like a pleasant looking game. Guitar Hero and rock band are huge / going to be huge, and that isn't me being an HD graphics snob, thats fun gameplay. 7th guest was huge, do you think it was all about HD graphics? I think it was the puzzles and atmosphere the game presented. Secret of Monkey Island was huge and I liked that, it certainly wasn't a graphics thing.
nothing in mario appeals to me. The art, characters, setting, story. Nothing. I don't like the feel of the games either, although that has more to do with Mario 64 than the NES games.
I think video gaming culture is making a hero out of mario for its iconic role in early console gaming rather than what the games acheive now. Not in gameplay, not in graphics,sound, control, etc. Mario games don't do what MGS did...when you first encounter psycho mantis it was pretty awesome how far out of the video game box you had to think to fight him. I was really into s2, so lets use that. Socom 2 gave me hundreds of hours of enjoyment online, played probably 5-25 hours a week for years, and definately played at least some every day. Has there ever been a mario game that gave people hundreds and hundreds of hours of enjoyment? New experiences online every time? No...but hey thats unfair, mario games are offline. Fair enough. Oblivion was epic, and personally I'd take oblivion over Mario. Was it the worlds mario gives you to explore? Tomb Raider, Oblivion both do it better than present day mario games.
And what was "wrong" with jumping flash that it is not considered a classic while people adore mario 64? JF was an AMAZING platformer.
I think the art style nintendo went for never was a hit for me. I remember as a kid loving phantasy star's taller , thinner looking characters over the SNES short squat art direction.
