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Harrison Ford on board for Indiana Jones 5
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all the indy movies were insanely unrealistic. are all of you blinded by nostalgia? indy 4 wasn't in the same league as the other indy movies but it's not like it was even close to being the shittiest movie of all time like you are all making it out to be.
if they cut out the scene of swinging on the vines i would have enjoyed the movie far more though. that was fucking stupid.
if they cut out the scene of swinging on the vines i would have enjoyed the movie far more though. that was fucking stupid.
The Lamonster
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Me too, man. Consider myself pumped for this.Phobophile said:
mario ate my burger
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You know, the first hour was better than Temple of Doom. Then came the jungle chase scene and the movie went to shit.
I think there's a lot of mis-directed criticism around Indy 4. Its easy to blame LeBeouf because he's out in the front and already a fairly reviled actor in some circles (though I think this is a bit of Wesley Crusher syndrome).
The blame for these movies is soundly upon the filmmakers. The movie just isn't as lively, inventive or interesting as the first three. Though I will say that among the actors Harrison Ford is easily the most to blame. He practically slept through the movie. Whatever rigor, energy or life he brought to his performances in years before is now completely gone. But lets face it. He was never that great of an actor.
I think the soul of Indy is that the movies were intended as international jaunts. Spielberg and Lucas themselves said that they wanted to make movies like Bond, where they could travel the world and make big Hollywood pulp pictures.
That urge is now gone. Both would rather sit in a studio and phone their direction in. That's why Indy 4 was shot only in Mexico and Hawaii -- for that alone it pales in comparison to the last three pictures.
With digital filmmaking making it easy to fake whatever you want I can see honest-to-God location shooting becoming a big feature. Because anybody can hire a bunch of guys to sit around on computers. But actually taking a movie production half-way across the world to get a couple of shots. That's something.
The blame for these movies is soundly upon the filmmakers. The movie just isn't as lively, inventive or interesting as the first three. Though I will say that among the actors Harrison Ford is easily the most to blame. He practically slept through the movie. Whatever rigor, energy or life he brought to his performances in years before is now completely gone. But lets face it. He was never that great of an actor.
I think the soul of Indy is that the movies were intended as international jaunts. Spielberg and Lucas themselves said that they wanted to make movies like Bond, where they could travel the world and make big Hollywood pulp pictures.
That urge is now gone. Both would rather sit in a studio and phone their direction in. That's why Indy 4 was shot only in Mexico and Hawaii -- for that alone it pales in comparison to the last three pictures.
With digital filmmaking making it easy to fake whatever you want I can see honest-to-God location shooting becoming a big feature. Because anybody can hire a bunch of guys to sit around on computers. But actually taking a movie production half-way across the world to get a couple of shots. That's something.
Ignatz Mouse
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Lazy vs Crazy said:
It's actually better, IMHO-- but still pretty bad.
ToD isn't even watchable.
Indy 4 took it over the top of unbelievable, and repeatedly. I didn't even have much of a problem with the fridge scene, but the awful vine scene, the natives scene (the city is hidden why do they need so many hiding spots behind membranes?), and the waterfall scene just sank it. I expected to hear a trombone WAH-WAH when they go over the 3rd waterfall.btkadams said:
Yeah, Temple of Doom had the ridiculous raft scene at the beginning, but I thought that was confusingly bad, not just incompetantly bad like the waterfalls.
beelzebozo
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wow, i love TEMPLE OF DOOM.
maybe i'm the one with the rose-tinted glasses.
maybe i'm the one with the rose-tinted glasses.
I'm up for this. Harrison Ford was still wonderful as Indiana Jones. The guy excudes sheer charm and charisma without even trying. Just keep Lucas the fuck away from it.
No, you're just a connoisseur of great art. Seriously, though, Temple of Doom is a fine movie and the criticisms it gets are baffling to me. Shit was pure Indiana Jones. And I think we can throw "realism" out of the window when people's faces start melting due to someone opening a box.
beelzebozo said:
No, you're just a connoisseur of great art. Seriously, though, Temple of Doom is a fine movie and the criticisms it gets are baffling to me. Shit was pure Indiana Jones. And I think we can throw "realism" out of the window when people's faces start melting due to someone opening a box.
beelzebozo
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whatever the case, i look forward to the series reboot in twenty years.
Calcaneus said:
AD reference I presume? :lol :lol
polyh3dron said:
Indiana Jones and the Colostomy Bag of Doom
Indiana Jones and the Search for More Geritol
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Medicine Cabinet
Indiana Jones and the Last Original Tooth
Indiana Jones and the Race for the Early Bird Special
I'm sorry, but I just couldn't stop myself.
darkwings said:
That is the worst scene, but I wouldn't blame labeouf... blame Spielberg. He is a brilliant director, but sometimes there's moments where I wonder how the hell he let something like that through.
Zeliard said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't know what incredible standards people have for this movie, but are we watching the same franchise? Raiders of the Lost Ark is always going to be the best, but how is the fourth one THAT much worse than the 2nd and third? They all have they same feel for the most part. I think a 5th one is a smart idea all around.
beelzebozo
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Zeliard said:
i felt this way about STAR TREK and kirk, too, but i think (despite any other criticisms you can level against it) chris pine pretty much nailed that. it can be done, under an enthusiastic director with a good leading man.
and like i said, give it twenty years, and a few more really underwhelming sequels with ford, and you'll be ready for a palate cleanser.
Ignatz Mouse
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I think people defending ToD are blinded by nostalgia. I saw 1 and 3 when they came out, but skipped on 2 (friends all hated it)-- and saw it for the first (and last) time when the DVD box came out. It's really, really awful for a lot of the same reasons that 4 is. 4 is actually better.
sevenchaos
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4 is an awesomely flawed film. I love it. And will hopefully love 5.
beelzebozo
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Ignatz Mouse said:
maybe i'm showing my own prejudices here. whereas TEMPLE OF DOOM has great set pieces, tons of memorable scenes, and no shitty cgi, CRYSTAL SKULL had the shitty cgi and far too many callbacks to past movies--two things that i find completely unforgivable.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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As long as its not as amazingly bad as Temple Of Doom its fine.
digita1alchemy
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Crystal Skull is my least favorite in the series but it had enough cool moments for me to be excited about this. They just need a better script and to not go overboard with the digital effects.
gutter_trash
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CG ants, CG monkeys and instead of maps you had an old man that was like a living GPS
no thanks
no thanks
Ignatz Mouse said:
Complete and utter bullshit.
Each Indiana Jones movie was filled with sequences that stood the test of time and was wholly unique to each film. Indiana Jones 4 provided nothing of that calibre and was just an unimaginative production focussed on cashing in on the name.
Atrus said:
Nah, Temple of Doom is a vastly inferior film to Raiders and Crusade. I certainly wouldn't say it's as bad as Crystal Skull, as Temple doesn't feel soulless and bland the way Crystal Skull does, but it's definitely the oddball of the original three. One of my biggest issues with Crystal Skull is it resembles Temple of Doom a lot more than Raiders/Crusade. The next one needs a more interesting Macguffin and a more focused quest.
Count Dookkake
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Great news. Now that the series is back on track after the relative nadir of Crusade, I can't wait to see where they go next. Cthulhu?
:lol
As much as I disagree with the internet hate machine in regard to Lucas, I do love a good Jodi Foster reference.
Imm0rt4l said:
:lol
As much as I disagree with the internet hate machine in regard to Lucas, I do love a good Jodi Foster reference.
Count Dookkake
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MattKeil said:
I can't understand them either.
What are you talking about? Who are you talking to?
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