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[RK128]

This might be weird, but i prefer the indie stuff from sony becasue there is a much higher chance i dont already have it. When people get excited about getting tomb raider or thief, my reaction is "own it already, completed it already" followed shortly after by dissapointment.

Sony giving away indie tites almost guarentees i don't own them already, and a lot of them are given away day of release. They may have a lower monetary value. But in terms of value for me, they're much higher.

I'd take a bunch of new indie games i've never played over a bunch of year and half old retail games i've played and completed multiple times already. Granted not everyone is me...but i know which i like to recieve more.

I'm in the same camp man . Love the indie releases on PS+ and sometimes the games really click with me.

I can understand the frustration others have with the service though.

 

[barneystuta83]

On the one hand, yes. The addition of back compatability feels like a Phil Spencer initiative and very welcome. Getting four free games for a current gen console, it is great.

I also suspect that Phil has benefited from a bigger back catalogue. At the start, most games were all exclusive 'indy' titles. Some great games were include at the start like IDARB, Max, and Super Time Force.

But now, MS can draw on bigger retail releases, such as Thief and Assassins Creed 4.

Compared to where it was, particularly for Xbox One, we are getting some great options across genres. I look forward to what 2016 brings to the table.

 

[LKSmash]

It's improved for sure but nothing can beat Rocket League being on PS+

Rocket League is definitely the biggest coup. I think Sony are still riding on that high which might explain how poor everyone has been receiving PS+ lately.

 

[yyr]

One reason it's also gotten better is because they're now using the same business model as PS+. You don't get to keep the games anymore if you don't have an active XBL Gold subscription. Previously you keep the games even if you don't have Gold anymore. I'm assuming MS has to pay a bigger fee to the publishers if they let you keep the games forever.

Also, let's not forget that PS+ gives you 6 games across 3 systems, sometimes more when you take into account cross-buy.

Nothing changed. It is the same as it was when X1 GwG started.

360 GwG games were and still are yours forever.

X1 GwG games were and still are yours unless your subscription lapses, just like PS+.

My guess is that this sort of capability was not part of the 360 Marketplace system.

 

[Synth]

On One and PS4 they're much of a muchness. But on 360 and PS3, ive always said theyre better by default because you own the games.

You don't own a PS3 do you?

 

[icespide]

its such a subjective thing you really can't say one is better than the other. this is clear by checking any of the threads when games are announced, for every person saying GREAT MONTH there's another person saying "meh indies"

that said, Ryse or Knack, whoever is first wins

 

[Twin Tails]

I still haven't felt the Phil Spencer effect.

 

[flkraven]

Rocket League is definitely the biggest coup. I think Sony are still riding on that high which might explain how poor everyone has been receiving PS+ lately.

Yah, Rocket League was a big get for PS+. Will be buying it the second it's released for XB1.

 

[neemmss]

Nothing changed. It is the same as it was when X1 GwG started.

360 GwG games were and still are yours forever.

X1 GwG games were and still are yours unless your subscription lapses, just like PS+.

My guess is that this sort of capability was not part of the 360 Marketplace system.

I thought that if your subscription lapses and you re-up they will return to you. I have heard of this for the PS+ but not sure about live for the xbone.

 

[AmuroChan]

Nothing changed. It is the same as it was when X1 GwG started.

360 GwG games were and still are yours forever.

That's what I was referring to. The policy changed when X1 GwG started (People were expecting to keep their X1 games forever as well), which is also around the time Phil took over from Mattrick. Before that the offerings were much worse than what they are today.

 

[Haint]

I can't get the 360 games for BC cause i don't have a 360 and refuse to save a CC or PPal on Xbox.com cause of that Fifa bux shit. The Xbone specific games have been pretty shit imo.

 

[eNHKs]

They should definetly make it easier for people to access X360 games from your Xbox One. The way it is right now is just a huge hassle. But in regards to the OP, yeah GwG hast improved a lot under Phil Spencer. Before PS+ was a huge plus for Sony and by now I feel like both are on pretty much the same level. Sure Rocket League is a great game, but over the past few months I feel like GwG was better than PS+.

 

[flkraven]

I can't get the 360 games for BC cause i don't have a 360 and refuse to save a CC or PPal on Xbox.com cause of that Fifa bux shit. The Xbone specific games have been pretty shit imo.

Can't you just turn on 2-step authorization and make yourself virtually immune to the fifa shit? Every purchase I make needed to be authorized by my cell phone.

 

[Chris1]

Can't you just turn on 2-step authorization and make yourself virtually immune to the fifa shit? Every purchase I make needed to be authorized by my cell phone.

Or you could add card/paypal > purchase free games > remove payment details

Not that I think you should have to do that, but it's an option that's there if you really want the 360 gwg's.

 

[Kelegacy]

For the most part, GwG is still vastly inferior to Plus IMO. Now, Plus has some off months (I think this month is the first one I wasn't super excited about, but we still got Grim Fandango) but for the most part Plus still offers a much larger value. GwG is still playing catch-up to me and probably will never come close to Plus.

I don't understand people that think Plus is lacking.

 

[Coxy100]

As an xb1 owner I am jealous of the Sony one - I much prefer the indies they get. That being said yes it has got better - but not vastly...

Xbox one will always suffer with indies thanks to the daft parity clause, or whatever is there now.

Microsoft should get behemoth to do a castle crashes 2 - now that would be a coup

 

[The Last Wizard]

We still dont have Ryse. So no.

This.

And you really gonna say it's gotten better when they gave away that pool game for like 3 months straight lol

 

[Jrs3000]

360 BC and you get games for 360 playable on xb1 for life make it better.

 

[flkraven]

This.

And you really gonna say it's gotten better when they gave away that pool game for like 3 months straight lol

I really don't get why people want Ryse so badly now. It's been on sale for $10 or less at retail hundreds of times.

 

[evilr]

No, it is merely a reactionary product and is designed to be so.

Having said that, Sony are doing a terrible job at protecting their leading position with PlayStation Plus. Their recent entries have been appalling.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

For the most part, GwG is still vastly inferior to Plus IMO. Now, Plus has some off months (I think this month is the first one I wasn't super excited about, but we still got Grim Fandango) but for the most part Plus still offers a much larger value. GwG is still playing catch-up to me and probably will never come close to Plus.

I don't understand people that think Plus is lacking.

I think PS Plus is utterly dire if you only own a PS4. I've subbed for almost a year now and I've yet to see anything as worth the asking price other than Rocket League. The ability to play PS3 games on PS4 would add a lot of value but that's never happening.

 

[flkraven]

No, it is merely a reactionary product and is designed to be so.

What does this even mean within the context of what you are responding to. No it hasn't improved because it's reactionary? That does not answer why you don't think it has improved.

 

[Effigenius]

I really don't get why people want Ryse so badly now. It's been on sale for $10 or less at retail hundreds of times.

I dont think I have ever seen it that cheap.

 

[modalife]

Nope.

I haven't added GWG game since August or September of last year. Nothing really compelling. At least GwG exists now though.

 

[evilr]

What does this even mean within the context of what you are responding to. No it hasn't improved because it's reactionary? That does not answer why you don't think it has improved.

I am explaining why the service will not be "improved". It exists merely by function, not by compelling value proposition.

 

[icespide]

No, it is merely a reactionary product and is designed to be so.

Having said that, Sony are doing a terrible job at protecting their leading position with PlayStation Plus. Their recent entries have been appalling.

I really don't understand statements like this. How can you claim something so subjective as objective fact? Some months are great for one gamer while at the same time it's "appalling" for another, it's exactly the same for GWG and PS+

 

[Grisby]

I think it's been alright. I do however, think that Spencer has been a godsend for MS's image after the whole always on/DRM fiasco.

We still dont have Ryse. So no.

The Knack of GWG.

 

[Chris1]

What does this even mean within the context of what you are responding to. No it hasn't improved because it's reactionary? That does not answer why you don't think it has improved.

It's evilr

 

[flkraven]

I dont think I have ever seen it that cheap.

Looking for 2 seconds I found it for $10.99 with free shipping (new):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ryse-Son-of...137146?hash=item1a0b80c13a:g:yDQAAOxyOlhS111B

It has definitely been cheaper.

 

[evilr]

I really don't understand statements like this. How can you claim something so subjective as objective fact? Some months are great for one gamer while at the same time it's "appalling" for another, it's exactly the same for GWG and PS+

I disagree.

Objectively, you can define value by the release date, price, publisher status, and general expected sales of a videogame. Those variables have certainly declined since the service became compulsory for online gameplay.

what?

Don't read too much into it.

 

[icespide]

I disagree.

Objectively, you can define value by the release date, price, publisher status, and general expected sales of a videogame. Those variables have certainly declined since the service became compulsory for online gameplay.

what?

 

[flkraven]

I am explaining why the service will not be "improved". It exists merely by function, not by compelling value proposition.

What meta argument is this? This sounds more like a greater critique of capitalism as a whole rather than a discussion about GWG. What does this even mean? So if Microsoft gives away Halo 5 and Rise of the Tomb Raider next month, GWG still isn't an improvement because Microsoft is working towards their own self interests? What?

 

[Qwark]

The games themselves are pretty good, but I don't like how they schedule the releases. Some start at the beginning of the month, some start at the middle of the month, some are only available for two weeks, some for a month (or more, with that pool game or whatever it was), it's confusing. Somehow I missed out on Dirt Showdown because I checked the website (can you even redeem 360 games on XB1?) on the 16th.

Edit: I also generally like the games offered on Plus, but at least the schedule is easier to understand there.

 

[Memorabilia]

Highly subjective value, I suppose. Some months PS+ is better for more people... other months GWG is better for more people. I'd say over the past year, GWG has been somewhat better to my tastes...but PS+ had at least a couple really good months as well. It's pretty difficult to say one is objectively better.

 

[nekkid]

I disagree.

Objectively, you can define value by the release date, price, publisher status, and general expected sales of a videogame. Those variables have certainly declined since the service became compulsory for online gameplay.

"Publisher status" is objective now?

Value is what value it has to you. Whether it was worth the asking price is not up to someone else's hocus pocus mathematics.

 

[icespide]

Highly subjective value, I suppose. Some months PS+ is better for more people... other months GWG is better for more people. I'd say over the past year, GWG has been somewhat better to my tastes...but PS+ had at least a couple really good months as well. It's pretty difficult to say one is objectively better.

bingo

 

[darkinstinct]

Yah, Rocket League was a big get for PS+. Will be buying it the second it's released for XB1.

If they are smart they give it out with GwG as well. That game needs a big userbase, otherwise it will never live on that platform.

 

[evilr]

"Publisher status" is objective now?

Value is what value it has to you. Whether it was worth the asking price is not up to someone else's hocus pocus mathematics.

Quantitatively, yes. A videogame published by Activision, EA, or Ubisoft, objectively perceives more value over, say, indie games.

 

[flkraven]

If they are smart they give it out with GwG as well. That game needs a big userbase, otherwise it will never live on that platform.

Man, that would be a dream come true.

 

[nekkid]

Quantitatively, yes. A videogame published by Activision, EA, or Ubisoft, objectively perceives more value over, say, indie games.

Show me your working out, or you don't get an A...

If it's quantitative then you can quantify it. I'd love to see those numbers.

 

[flkraven]

So is evilr the Aristotle of gaming opinions? I would thoroughly explain your viewpoints next time rather than making blank, vague statements. That way you won't have everyone in the thread quoting you, asking you to elaborate.

 

[eNHKs]

If they are smart they give it out with GwG as well. That game needs a big userbase, otherwise it will never live on that platform.

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft is willing to pay for Rocket League as I imagine it will be more expensive now, as the Developer knows that they have a good and already popular game. On the other hand, with all the DLC out for Rocket League I could imagine them maybe being willing to pass on some of the sales money, just to have an instant user base that pontentially buys DLC on Xbox.

 

[modalife]

Highly subjective value, I suppose. Some months PS+ is better for more people... other months GWG is better for more people. I'd say over the past year, GWG has been somewhat better to my tastes...but PS+ had at least a couple really good months as well. It's pretty difficult to say one is objectively better.

Very true.

Im glad that at least GwG exists under Mr. Spencer. MS seems to have solid history of being greedy as fuck.

 

[onimushroom]

Half the 360 games are IP-region-locked for me, I have to turn on my 360 to even try to "buy" them (website demands credit card), and I get 2 less games than with Sony (PS3, PS4, Vita).
The games might be better, might be worse, but the experience is far from optimal (at least for me).

 

[Feel the Swift]

One reason it's also gotten better is because they're now using the same business model as PS+. You don't get to keep the games anymore if you don't have an active XBL Gold subscription. Previously you keep the games even if you don't have Gold anymore. I'm assuming MS has to pay a bigger fee to the publishers if they let you keep the games forever.

Also, let's not forget that PS+ gives you 6 games across 3 systems, sometimes more when you take into account cross-buy.

What if you run out of gold because you don't keep a running subscription? I'd like to play KI will I lose that when my Gold runs out even if i resubscribe later?

 

[PanicFreak]

So is evilr the Aristotle of gaming opinions? I would thoroughly explain your viewpoints next time rather than making blank, vague statements. That way you won't have everyone in the thread quoting you, asking you to elaborate.

evilr is going for a masters in business. He knows everything about this subject.

 

[jetsetnickradio]

Phil Spencer personally handpicks every GwG.

 

[Qwark]

What if you run out of gold because you don't keep a running subscription? I'd like to play KI will I lose that when my Gold runs out even if i resubscribe later?

If you resubscribe, you'll get access back, just like PS+. The only difference is for 360 games where you do not have to have an active Gold sub.

 

[The Real Napsta]

Nope Killer Instinct Season 1 is by far the best thing they have offered but PS+ is and always has been miles better, it's really not even comparable.

Compare the last three months.

 

[RobRivers]

Same. I haven't seen anything worth playing from GWG in the last three months, why are people praising it?

Deus ex. Do you think it is not worth playing? :S It is a gem