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Has the alt-right or Xenophobia become big in Canada?

They like using the old Canadian flag as their symbol, much like the Confederate flag for racist Americans.

It's still essentially the flag of Manitoba and Ontario, and with good reason as Canada is a constitutional monarchy. It's not a controversial symbol on its own.

Annoying that the flag is being used by a few people with nasty opinions, it's a nice flag and nothing like the Confederate one. It's also not nearly as widespread in that.

Your opinion of a country is uncertain because of a subreddit? Slap yourself OP.

Also this, what the hell OP? Doesn't sound like you'd be a good fit for anywhere if you're genuinely going off what their subreddit is like... Reddit can be a mess.
 
Also this, what the hell OP? Doesn't sound like you'd be a good fit for anywhere if you're genuinely going off what their subreddit is like... Reddit can be a mess.

I'm not a good fit anywhere, thanks for pointing that out.

Your opinion of a country is uncertain because of a subreddit? Slap yourself OP.

Yeah... no, thats not what I said/meant at all and no one else took it that way. Probably better to read the full OP. My opinion of the country did not change, I said it made me disheartened if Canada had an uprising of the alt-right, which it seemingly hasn't.

Slap yourself for not understanding context.
 
It's still essentially the flag of Manitoba and Ontario, and with good reason as Canada is a constitutional monarchy. It's not a controversial symbol on its own.

Annoying that the flag is being used by a few people with nasty opinions, it's a nice flag and nothing like the Confederate one. It's also not nearly as widespread in that.
I assume they are using the flag to mean that only white British people are real Canadians and that they are the rightful owners of Canada.
 
I live in a very diverse neighborhood in Edmonton and have never seen any problems, but I'm not exactly hanging out with the college crowd where I imagine that's the age group where these alt-right types exist.

I also do volunteer work that brings together a variety of races and religions and in the 10+ years I've done it there hasn't been a single incident. I imagine there's always going to be an alt-right presence, but it's going to be at a pretty small level in Canada IMO.
 
I assume they are using the flag to mean that only white British people are real Canadians and that they are the rightful owners of Canada.

Certainly why they're doing that, though technically it also has French representation (the fleur-de-lis are for France), not that they'd notice. But anyway, the Red Ensign is still a good symbol and it's unfortunate that people are using it to showcase edgy political opinions. Shouldn't overshadow that it's a good flag and symbol.

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Canada fought under this exact banner in WWII. There's a lot of history in that flag. It's good that Ontario and Manitoba's flags essentially keep it alive and normal.

It's not a symbol of a country that broke away from another country to continue slavery or anything like that. Nothing could be further from the truth. In contrast, it shows hundreds of years of continuity.
 
You'll find some particularly nasty groups in parts of Alberta and Quebec, but the intensity and prevalence of such doesn't feel as common as in America
 
Try this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/world/canada/canadas-secret-to-resisting-the-wests-populist-wave.html

Great article and worth the read, makes perfect sense why populism hasn't taken over Canada yet.

Was about to post this.

We had a pathetic little protest of some group called the "Storm Alliance" at the border. Pretty much came off as thoroughly uncanadian.

Also remember a story of a far right meeting in Toronto. It, uh, wasn't very big.

This alt right bs is everywhere, but it appears to be niche in Canada.
 
It's there and it's always growing but nowhere near to the point where you should be worried. We had a Conservative government here for many years but in the US he'd be more in the center of the political spectrum. So dw it's all good rn
 
Try this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/world/canada/canadas-secret-to-resisting-the-wests-populist-wave.html

Great article and worth the read, makes perfect sense why populism hasn't taken over Canada yet.
Good article.
"immigration and racial diversity are sources of national pride. And when anti-establishment outsiders have run the populist playbook, they have found defeat."
I completely agree. Canada is not the United States. Never has been, never will.
 
I think one of the reasons why these groups haven't strongly taken foot in Canada is that they tend to hate each other and have difficulty banding together.
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...arns/wcm/90cb1ddc-ffb0-4245-a108-38624616827b

ItÂ’s not just law enforcement right-wing extremists have to be watchful for; sometimes the enemy is their peers. Fighting in and between neo-Nazi groups is common as members jockey for power and status, the study said.

“They hate so much and so many that they start to hate one another,” one officer said.

Some who have left the movement simply grew tired of constantly having to justify their racist, homophobic or anti-Semitic stances.

“Hating,” it turned out, “was exhausting.”
 
I am from Australia and can't wait to experience the cold and snow.

I can see the appeal, because presumably you've never experienced it, but I am fairly certain that shoveling snow and getting dirty ass brown snow on your car will grow old real quick. Seeing snow in movies and thinking you'll see the snowfall while bambi is jumping outside is not the reality of it. First of all, bambi will kick your ass. They get big as shit, scary big. Second, seeing snow while on vacation is different than living it. That's not even counting snowstorms or driving in the snow when a big snowstorm comes and they haven't had time to salt the roads. Or the potholes. Or the cold ass wind. Or anything else that comes with snow. Australia has great weather, I would not want to move from there to somewhere that's cold as hell.
 
It's a left-leaning country on the whole, even though we have our crazies. The exception is Alberta. No one has figured out how the NDP got elected there lol.
 
I know people who never saw snow in their life until they went to Canada and now love Canadian winters. ÂŻ\_(ツ)_/ÂŻ
 
Alt right dip shits for whatever reason dominate political discussions on popular sites like Reddit and YouTube. Don't be discouraged by that, Canadian major cities are extremely welcoming to immigrants and Trudeau is still pretty popular.
 
It's a left-leaning country on the whole, even though we have our crazies. The exception is Alberta. No one has figured out how the NDP got elected there lol.
Protest vote. Like the NDP surge in Quebec. They're going to get crushed in the next election.

Certainly why they're doing that, though technically it also has French representation (the fleur-de-lis are for France), not that they'd notice. But anyway, the Red Ensign is still a good symbol and it's unfortunate that people are using it to showcase edgy political opinions. Shouldn't overshadow that it's a good flag and symbol.

Canada fought under this exact banner in WWII. There's a lot of history in that flag. It's good that Ontario and Manitoba's flags essentially keep it alive and normal.

It's not a symbol of a country that broke away from another country to continue slavery or anything like that. Nothing could be further from the truth. In contrast, it shows hundreds of years of continuity.
This may be true, but if I see anyone carrying this flag in 2017, I just assume they're an alt-right shitbag.
 
Those elements of society have definitely been emboldened by the fuckup of the USA Though that's true of the entire western world.

Even more so, as a whole the Alt-right sees that one of their own got in and now they are pushing ever-the-more stronger thinking they can replicate it in their own countries. However even with that, Canada is pretty much united in hating Donald Trump and everything he stands for. I don't know the statistics off the top of my head but it was something like 80% of Canadians hate him with a significant portion of that saying that their views of the USA souring because of it. With that in mind, it's easy to make the argument that Canada hasn't hit a point of critical worry over it yet

That said, /r/Canada has never been a great place if you want civil discourse and to get a good representation of Canada. It, like all comment sections is plagued by the people who belong to a political party which isn't currently able to push its agenda. Because the Liberals are in charge the News feeds are of course going to be filled with Conservative viewpoints and that's going to stroke Conservative ego's and bring out Conservative comments because you can only say "Here is a repeat of the facts that show you are wrong"/"Stop being stupid" so many times before you give up. Also known as, when things are good, why complain?
 
I've never known /r/Canada to be a useful subreddit to begin with. It's always been a cesspool.

That being said, yes, there are definitely some alt-right folks here.
 
Quebec has a much worse record for racial incidents. The idea that Alberta is a bunch of conservative nutters is a GAF myth.

Is that overall, or per person? I could believe it if it was overall, but Québec has twice the population of Alberta, so you have to look at it per capita.

Alberta votes 60-70% Conservative in elections, so it's not really a myth. >_> Although, yes not all Conservatives are crazy. But have you heard the things that are said about Notley (much less Trudeau)?

I don't know the statistics off the top of my head but it was something like 80% of Canadians hate him with a significant portion of that saying that their views of the USA souring because of it. With that in mind, it's easy to make the argument that Canada hasn't hit a point of critical worry over it yet.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...irst-time-in-35-years-likely-much-longer.html

In 2016, 83% of Canadians had confidence in the US President (Obama), and 65% had a favourable opinion of the US.

In 2017, 22% of Canadians had confidence in the US President (Trump), and 43% had a favourable opinion of the US, the lowest on record.
 
I dont know what anyone on the left is even talking about anymore when they over/misuse 'alt right'.

I moved to Ottawa recently. The right wing here has a hint of social authoritarianism and is sometimes xenophobic, yes. They're overwhelmingly not white nationalists though as the actual alt-right self-identify as.
 
In 2017, 22% of Canadians had confidence in the US President (Trump), and 43% had a favourable opinion of the US, the lowest on record.
How low can you go. Never though it could get worse than Bush.
I think the 43% are just Canadians being nice and hoping our neighbors don't completely self destruct.
 
I dont know what anyone on the left is even talking about anymore when they over/misuse 'alt right'.

I moved to Ottawa recently. The right wing here has a hint of social authoritarianism and is sometimes xenophobic, yes. They're overwhelmingly not white nationalists though as the actual alt-right self-identify as.

Well if you are talking about me using the alt-right if you read all my posts I was talking about a couple guys on the subreddit talking about sterilising non-whites and that white genocide is real. If that isn't alt-right/neo-nazi then i don't know what is.

The weather sucks, dont leave Australia

Meh, I hate heat and get depressed in summer, I'd prefer to not experience heat.
 
It's a left-leaning country on the whole, even though we have our crazies. The exception is Alberta. No one has figured out how the NDP got elected there lol.

false, it's a Centrist Centered country. Reason why the Liberals are the Natural Governing Party of Canada

It's only Left leaning in key big cities and certain traditional union towns.

Suburabia is Centrist as fuck with flirtations to the Right. Suburban Ontario loves to flirt with the Right.
Heck, 2011 it was Ontario that awarded Harper his majority.

Alberta LOL , Oilers fans sang the US anthem... olololol
 
I don't get that impression at all. Montreal and Quebec as a whole is as open and inclusive as ever even as we deal with this surge in refugees from south of the border. I've spent a good deal of time out around town, enjoying the summer weather and have yet to come across any cases that lend credence to such a shift. The alt right are everywhere, but you have to go out of your way to find them around here, at least in my experience. That subreddit definitely sounds like it has a warped view of the country.

Did annoy me seeing graffiti of "FAKE NEWS!" over a Canada 150 sign down by the Old port, though. :P

Quebec city is racist af/has trash radios as a platform for them. I mean you got shit like la meute and soldiers of odin here, every comment section or tweet of every news is always filled with such trash

Outside of the big cities alt-right+xenophobia were very much a thing, especially since Harper started saying shit like immigration or Islam being a danger for Canada
 
Protest vote. Like the NDP surge in Quebec. They're going to get crushed in the next election.


This may be true, but if I see anyone carrying this flag in 2017, I just assume they're an alt-right shitbag.
Yeah. It kind was a protest vote but I wouldn't rule out them getting reelected at this point.
 
Quebec City is the most homogenous city in Canada and they brainwahed by Talk Radio, true but Montreal is the polar opposite as it diverse in make up and opinions.

Conservatives haven't elected an MP on the island of Montreal since the Mulroney years.

Overally, Trump is viewed negatively across the board in the province of Quebec.

The only ones who are okay with Trump are Right Leaning Nationalistes and they are absent on the island of MTL
 
Did you not read my last post? This is idiotic.

no Canadian should sing the US anthem during the 4 years of Trump, mic or no mic.

And knowing the lyrics? Seriously? who memorizes the lyrics of a foreign country's anthem?

I bet those Edmontonians arn't even able to sing the Canadian Anthem in French.
 
Probably. Part of the problem with the US and UK was everyone was so sure that they were in such low numbers and would never actually win. Shine a light on them and destroy. It's much harder when they're in power.
 
no Canadian should sing the US anthem during the 4 years of Trump, mic or no mic.

And knowing the lyrics? Seriously? who memorizes the lyrics of a foreign country's anthem?

I bet those Edmontonians arn't even able to sing the Canadian Anthem in French.
Are you serious right now? They sing the anthems before every hockey game. It was the playoffs and the mic broke. Stop looking for what isn't there. Every normal person took it as the respectful gesture that it was.
 
I've lived in a bunch of different places in the country over the past 15 years, and I can tell you that your worries are unfounded. Alt-right politics are present, but not as deeply troublesome as you'd think considering we border the United States.

1) Most people who are alt-right are grumblers who chafe at the idea of socio-political change, but not really interested in doing anything more than bitching about it. Mostly just a lot of bristling at a more liberalized view of the world. And even such people are small in number.

2) A lot of the anti-immigrant rhetoric is aimed at the Chinese who are believed to be causing the major housing price crises in major urban centres like Toronto and Vancouver or foreign students who do not respect the local culture. Those cities are now addressing any chance of this being a real problem with taxes on housing speculation by foreign investors and are likely to continue doing so, so this talking point will cool down a lot. As for the foreign students? 20-something kids are shitbags no matter where they come from, just in slightly different ways, and people will come to understand this in time. You don't see a lot of people discussing immigrants as criminals here, just how they damage the housing market or are young and stupid. Maybe some anti-Muslim rhetoric, but that's exclusive to the rural prairies, which absorb national news without thoughtfully processing it. Rural areas will always be rural areas, in any country.

3) The Trudeau-bashing is a historical point that you need to be familiar with. He's the son of one of the most infamous Prime Ministers in history, for good and for bad. Pierre Trudeau has a legacy of being a bit of a dick, and the Liberal party has a history all its own that has people in the country wary of them being in power. Combine all of that - Justin Trudeau being Pierre's son and leader of the Liberals - and having a few broken promises and.... well, let's say the honeymoon phase is over.

4) On racial politics, the Indigenous population probably gets the worst racist rhetoric than any other group in the country which, when you consider that we colonized their country, would be silly if it weren't so devastating for them. In certain regions of the country, Indigenous people:

- are racially profiled like African-Americans by police
- have systemic drug problems in their communities that aren't being addressed
- tend to be the closest to the poverty line
- are thought to be "lazy sponges of the welfare system that we enable thanks to the stupid treaties we signed", despite the fact that the treaties aren't even honoured correctly
- are "whiners" because they talk about how our government used to put them in residential schools to force them to be more like white people, forcing them away from their parents and family in the hopes that they would abandon their own culture, all while their parents are told that it was best for them
- have deep divisions even within their own cultures and tribes (eg. the Inuit are ostracized by certain other Indigenous groups, several others having a grudge against the Cree nation for making the rest of them look bad, etc.)
- have reservation lands that white people tell them to "go back to", which are the textbook definition of squalor due to things like terrible access to clean drinking water, low access to gainful employment and...
- live in a country where the government and populous historically would rather pretend they don't exist and therefore don't do anything to actually solve their problems, which further perpetuates the racist views of others.

Coming from Australia, I'm sure there's some parallels you can draw there, from what I understand of the Indigenous population's treatment down there. It's not the same, but I think you'll find that it's an ugly look all the same.

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I could probably address some other things, but these are really the only major sticking points that could resemble "alt-right" sentiment in Canada. Beyond this and a few smaller hiccups, it's actually pretty damn great here.
 
false, it's a Centrist Centered country. Reason why the Liberals are the Natural Governing Party of Canada

It's only Left leaning in key big cities and certain traditional union towns.

Suburabia is Centrist as fuck with flirtations to the Right. Suburban Ontario loves to flirt with the Right.
Heck, 2011 it was Ontario that awarded Harper his majority.

Alberta LOL , Oilers fans sang the US anthem... olololol

I meant left leaning socially. There aren't many places in the world with legal euthanasia, marijuana, transgender protections etc. On economic issues, it's to the right of Europe and to the left of the US, so yeah, centrist.

I live in one of those centrist suburban Ontario ridings (46% Liberal and 43% Conservative in 2015, 47% Conservative and 39% Liberal in 2011), and I have a lot of Conservative friends/neighbours. But when it comes to social issues, they're very open minded. I guess you could say they're "progressive" conservatives. Liberals won because they promised tax cuts, tbh. Usually who ever promises more tax cuts wins suburban Ontario. That's how you have places that vote Rob/Doug Ford, and then Kathleen Wynne/Justin Trudeau a few months later.
 
The Canadian alt-right is strangely prolific on the CBC comment section and various sites with FB commenting.

Other than that, I've actually come face to face with quite a few of them in real life -- often as unsuspecting people with incredibly dangerous opinions.

They hate the CBC that's why they spend all day there making the comment section toxic,

Got so bad that CBC shut down comment sections on any First Nations story they post.
 
We had our Islamophobic fear mongering based election before the US did. CPC was tanking hard until they finally sparked something by focusing on a nonexistent niqab issue, and since it worked so well for them they basically decided to go all in on that, leading to the moronic "barbaric practices" aka "tell us about your scary brown neighbors" tipline.

Thankfully though yes, we're stronger than that here and we know to shift our lefts together to overcome it... after a decade of Harper's bullshit at least. >_> But there is no doubt a portion of Canadians that resonate with the alt-right.
 
4) On racial politics, the Indigenous population probably gets the worst racist rhetoric than any other group in the country which, when you consider that we colonized their country, would be silly if it weren't so devastating for them. In certain regions of the country, Indigenous people:

- are racially profiled like African-Americans by police
- have systemic drug problems in their communities that aren't being addressed
- tend to be the closest to the poverty line
- are thought to be "lazy sponges of the welfare system that we enable thanks to the stupid treaties we signed", despite the fact that the treaties aren't even honoured correctly
- are "whiners" because they talk about how our government used to put them in residential schools to force them to be more like white people, forcing them away from their parents and family in the hopes that they would abandon their own culture, all while their parents are told that it was best for them
- have deep divisions even within their own cultures and tribes (eg. the Inuit are ostracized by certain other Indigenous groups, several others having a grudge against the Cree nation for making the rest of them look bad, etc.)
- have reservation lands that white people tell them to "go back to", which are the textbook definition of squalor due to things like terrible access to clean drinking water, low access to gainful employment and...
- live in a country where the government and populous historically would rather pretend they don't exist and therefore don't do anything to actually solve their problems, which further perpetuates the racist views of others.

Coming from Australia, I'm sure there's some parallels you can draw there, from what I understand of the Indigenous population's treatment down there. It's not the same, but I think you'll find that it's an ugly look all the same..

This is crazy and I knew we had parallels with Canada in regards to how the countries treat indigenous people, I'm actually an Aboriginal Australian and have experienced a lot of those things, I have an Aboriginal Canadian friend I met on a Minecraft server and he lived on a reserve, he said its not great and the way he described it was very similar to the small aboriginal community I grew up in.

Either way, I wasn't turned off from moving to Canada but I woke up to dozens of notifications on reddit of people telling me to fuck off and I felt kind of sad. But everyone here has me convinced its just Reddit being Reddit as I kind of always thought. I can't wait to live over there, it's really exciting.
 
This is crazy and I knew we had parallels with Canada in regards to how the countries treat indigenous people, I'm actually an Aboriginal Australian and have experienced a lot of those things, I have an Aboriginal Canadian friend I met on a Minecraft server and he lived on a reserve, he said its not great and the way he described it was very similar to the small aboriginal community I grew up in.

Either way, I wasn't turned off from moving to Canada but I woke up to dozens of notifications on reddit of people telling me to fuck off and I felt kind of sad. But everyone here has me convinced its just Reddit being Reddit as I kind of always thought. I can't wait to live over there, it's really exciting.

I'm glad that you're still heading over. Where are you thinking of settling in? Feel free to ask questions. Like I said, I've done a bit of a tour of the country, so I might be able to give an impression of what's the best fit for you. Heading to bed for now, though, so maybe PM me if you have questions.
 
Well if you are talking about me using the alt-right if you read all my posts I was talking about a couple guys on the subreddit talking about sterilising non-whites and that white genocide is real. If that isn't alt-right/neo-nazi then i don't know what is.

Yeap that's as alt-right as it gets. The answer is then from my experience is no. Not to any concerning degree.
 
Rest of the thread has covered the political side of things rather well but I've got one bone to pick. Snow. Winter is awesome, snow is awesome and having hot summers and cold winters is one of the best things about Canada. Contrast makes you appreciate all the seasons more and I'll take all the days of brown slush to be able to enjoy the wonderful times of falling fresh snow.
 
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