...Dude, it is the hinging point of the story.
Unless you consider everyone in Rapture to either be non-human or hostile, which is also valid. Even Tanenbaum is hostile towards you for a while.
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Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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...Dude, it is the hinging point of the story.
Unless you consider everyone in Rapture to either be non-human or hostile, which is also valid. Even Tanenbaum is hostile towards you for a while.
Kiru
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Thanks, added it to the OP.
The murder of that woman... ugh, I can't take it. The way that her desperation is so carefully rendered is really disturbing.
I don't like it at all.
Seeing people compare this to HOTLINE MIAMI is ridiculous. HM has a purposefully abstract and over the top 8-bit art style. It's an absurdist abstraction of violence, not a clinical celebration of it.
Looks like more realistic manhunt executions to me
Context, at times, is a clever, alternative and bullshit method of justifying one's questionable actions.
Look at games Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, Borderlands, Uncharted, Killzone, ect, ect, ect...In all of those games, you murder hundreds if not THOUSANDS of human beings. But it's all okay, because you're the good guy and they are all bad buys. It's all okay, because you're in a war or a war like situation, where death and murder are common and totally alright. That, or your're a bad buy too, only fighting against those who are worse than you or merely in your way. Everyone one of those games has a context (read: reason) as to why your means justify the end: To find a legendary artifact, to stop an invasion, to stop an assassination plot, to save the world, ect. Still, at the end of the day, you still end up killing a shit load of people, yet nobody (whether it's in the game or in real life) questions it.
Now we have a game that doesn't lie about what it is. It's very honest, straight forward and cuts through all the bullshit. Oh, but now folks get all up in arms. It's quite funny actually. Just food for thought...
Write a design document of one that you think is better
Look at games Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, Borderlands, Uncharted, Killzone, ect, ect, ect...In all of those games, you murder hundreds if not THOUSANDS of human beings. But it's all okay, because you're the good guy and they are all bad buys. It's all okay, because you're in a war or a war like situation, where death and murder are common and totally alright. That, or your're a bad buy too, only fighting against those who are worse than you or merely in your way. Everyone one of those games has a context (read: reason) as to why your means justify the end: To find a legendary artifact, to stop an invasion, to stop an assassination plot, to save the world, ect. Still, at the end of the day, you still end up killing a shit load of people, yet nobody (whether it's in the game or in real life) questions it.
Now we have a game that doesn't lie about what it is. It's very honest, straight forward and cuts through all the bullshit. Oh, but now folks get all up in arms. It's quite funny actually. Just food for thought...
Write a design document of one that you think is better
Northeastmonk
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DOOM was blamed for Columbine. GTA and Halo for numerous young people shooting their parents or police officers. Those games alone don't deserve the hate they get at all.
The mods like American School Shooter 2012 and the other Columbine RPG. Those games don't really do much and they weren't really part of the industry (they were mods or easy bake oven games). They had no lasting appeal to them at all, nor did they even look fun to play.
You aren't going to load up your console and see something like this on the title screen IMO.
Sandy Hook's killer had GTA, MGS, Half Life 2, and etc and that kid was a psychopath. It's more of the person than it is what he has on his PC or gaming device. Some of those games are harmless, but games like this seem tasteless.
3DimensionalAperture
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14 year olds listen to a niche subgenre of music from the 1990's?
BLUElightCory
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That's exactly what I said. Bioshock isn't comparable to Hatred because everyone you are forced to kill in Bioshock is hostile. I understand the
meta aspect of what Bioshock is saying about videogames
Some do. I listened to some really shitty music as a teenager that wasn't exactly top 40 stuff. As someone that works with teens I still see a lot of "metal" kids that listen to similar stuff they will laugh about in 10 years.
CastorTroy
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It's a real shame it's skewing towards the "controversy for controversies" sake angle, rather than make a more compelling experience, especially since it looks like the game has great gunplay, awesome destruction physics, etc.
Imagine you played a slightly more cartoony horror movie villain, who had melee attacks and guns or some type of projectile weapon, and you can stalk the streets and kill people, but the better you do, people start making homemade weapons to defend themselves and then they fight against you, make barricades, etc.
Imagine you played a slightly more cartoony horror movie villain, who had melee attacks and guns or some type of projectile weapon, and you can stalk the streets and kill people, but the better you do, people start making homemade weapons to defend themselves and then they fight against you, make barricades, etc.
As we all did. I used to listen to Cold Play. XD
Northeastmonk
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I don't think BioShock should be even in the discussion. Go look at the art style, music, time period, etc. Of course that game has an M rating to it, but that doesn't mean that's all it was. You knew going in what you were expecting and half the enemies were not even acting like a typical human.
3DimensionalAperture
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I'm just puzzled by the comment. I get that a lot of knuckledraggers listen to death metal, but I enjoy it as well. Or at least, the classic stuff from the 90's.
You're aware Postal and Postal 2 were massively controversial on release (not so much 3), right? Should be no surprise this is too.
Prophet Steve
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ReturnOfTheRAT
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Hotline Miami is well aware of how over the top and fantastical it is. CARTOONISH even.
This game portrays an aura of being way more serious and the violence is far realer and in your face with these finishers.
This game portrays an aura of being way more serious and the violence is far realer and in your face with these finishers.
Yes, but against a flailing innocent woman, rather than against violent gang members.
jakonovski
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"This game totally misrepresents us gamers, when we enjoy murderfests, it's all bad people! It's ok to enjoy exploding heads when it's a bad guy! Can't you non-gamers see the context?"
Maybe this shit show will inspire someone to make a great game that treats violence with respect, but I doubt it.
Maybe this shit show will inspire someone to make a great game that treats violence with respect, but I doubt it.
Oh, at 0:46, that is clearly the Hong Kong skyline, lol
Anyway, I think it could be a fun, twin stick shooter, with a dark, atmospheric visual style, and yes, a very disturbing and twisted premise. I guess since I realized that how much murder you commit in other games (read my previous post), the fact I'm just pretty thick skinned overall, and, oh, that it's a goddamn video game, that this doesn't bother me too much.
Again, everyone talking, bitching, arguing, complaining, whatevering....you are doing precisely what the devs had hoped and precisely what they wanted. So congrats to you.
Anyway, I think it could be a fun, twin stick shooter, with a dark, atmospheric visual style, and yes, a very disturbing and twisted premise. I guess since I realized that how much murder you commit in other games (read my previous post), the fact I'm just pretty thick skinned overall, and, oh, that it's a goddamn video game, that this doesn't bother me too much.
Again, everyone talking, bitching, arguing, complaining, whatevering....you are doing precisely what the devs had hoped and precisely what they wanted. So congrats to you.
I respect their ability to make everyone equally a victim.
Northeastmonk
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=910052&highlight=
He must of had some wonderful insight.
Modern war games were more like fashion shows. The best dresser won the award.
Acti
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The tone of the game is WAY more serious than Postal.
3DimensionalAperture
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What are you insinuating? That this (tasteless piece of shit of a game) is something new and never done before? That it shouldn't be allowed to be released because of the random hypothetical slippery slope scenario you muse on?
ReturnOfTheRAT
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BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
No, dude. This game shouldn't get a free pass based upon head-up-your-ass, pretentious logic.
Simulated murder posing as fun should always be morally objectionable regardless of the context you present it.
This game, though? Where the very context is to embrace inhumanity?
Fuck that.
that video was pretty disturbing but i was expecting someone to make a game like this eventually . Honestly if folks would think about it we already have games where we create traps and dungeons to kill folks(fable), we have the evil route, and fighting in hell inspired like environments flooded with blood, so this game and playing like the axe murderer in a horror game were always going to be the next step. Who knows maybe playing the bad guy will be the next big thing , why save the world when you can rule it or just plain destroy it yourself.
Likewise. An actual good top comment on Youtube? Is this the Twilight Zone? XD
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Why are posts like that so admirable?
Because they can make the distinction of double standards? Is that it? Are we just applauding being a smarty pants?
Holy shit, it's incredible how we're using that to dance around the fact that this game is fucking gross, no matter what ironic commentary twist we try to throw at it.
I think games are art and all, but they are interactive, they're well beyond ultra-violent movies.
Shit like this is straight up irresponsible, imo.
Which part about the 'mentally ill' kid in your own example did you miss exactly? The mental fragility of such a person would be entirely responsible for any violent outbursts, which in turn would likely be brought on by anger at an environmental situation, and in which case would occur whether they'd seen this particular game or not. We really shouldn't be bringing psychology into this on such a basic level.
Let's look at the real example : this thread and everyone that has since seen the footage.
If this game, its violence, its 'lack' of context... were so influential, surely statistically at least one 'stable' person having watched the video is now due to go on a rampage having been 'influenced', by seeing it, no? Not because anyone here's 'mentally unsound', but because this game has an influential power of its own, right? Furthermore it's that that would also cause a mentally unstable person to act violently rather than the mental illness?
Yeah, precisely.
I watched the footage and like everyone else here will not be going on a rampage because a game like this cannot influence in such a way and nobody here, presumably, is mentally unsound enough right now to simply go act on an unrelated violent urge that will make headlines after coincidentally having just seen this footage.
Blaming any act of criminality on this game once someone has either seen or played it is absolute buffoonery, and if at most you guys think it is a steaming pile of turd on the artistic merit scale, it's worth nothing more than ignoring, and I can't disagree with your decision there. It's simply not for you. A Serbian Film isn't for me either, but that just means I'm not going to watch it. I just don't fancy it. I certainly don't think anything is going to come of anybody else watching it. Lobbying to get rid of Hatred is censorship and speaks to nothing more than fear of real violence being distorted to the point where you're blaming things that are just plain not responsible.
People that go spree killing already arrived at the idea entirely because of situations that happened to them in their personal lives. Ironically, in fact, plenty of you are missing the point - it's the direct opposite: The various examples of media in question - be they games, music, film - do not influence these people.
Rather they see in this media what they already have in mind.
His argument is too logical, therefore invalid.
What are you exactly saying? Because video games are interactive, people are more prone to cause violence if they played violent video games?
With all due respect, your post screams Fox News to me.
What's the Bruce Timm comic about the two psychopath hitmen who fall in love with each other and spend their time killing random people, only to find out that eventually the spark in a relationship only lasts so long, and their one great dramatic act of love is trying to kill each other?
That would be an amazing co-op mode for this. But of course, that would require Not Important to be more important than someone who refers to himself as Not Important.
BLUElightCory
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I see the point he's trying to make but he's still dancing around the fact that the enemies in those games are armed and will kill you if given the chance, no matter what backstory he has ascribed to them.
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