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Heavenly Sword - PS3. Not quite 120 fps...

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SolidSnakex said:
I'll support that also. I'm just looking forward to Warhawk more, especially after reading the recent info on it. Alot more ambitious than I thought (at times you'll be fighting again 600+ enemies).

Resistance is suppose to be pretty smooth in single player also despite the 30fps. It seems like TTP was the only one that saw it didn't run at 60fps at E3. Which I guess says alot for how smooth it did run at 30fps.
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where have you read that? Can we confirm?
 
SolidSnakex said:
Atleast in the case of ND, I fully expect their next gen. They're one of those devs where if you read their interviews they sound like the 60fps fanboys in terms of what they want from their games. I think they want the most technically impressive games and that's just one part of it.

And they're focusing on animation with that jungle game which makes me a very happy camper.
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you really do have all the faith until the end.

You fully expected next-gen from Tekken team.
You said 'no excuse for anything other than 60fps next-gen'. Remember that? Because I do.
You said you fully expect X, Y and Z from Sony camp and it never seems to materialize :P

when are you going to learn, Solidsnakex. It seems you are a hypocrite when it comes to framerates :P
 
Amir0x said:
when are you going to learn, Solidsnakex. It seems you are a hypocrite when it comes to framerates :P
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Hey now x0rimA, "TEH HYPOCRITE!" is my super attack.

Come up with something new ;p
 
I've said it before and i'll say it again, I wan't double #s between gens. If they could 60 last gen then why should I play anything under 120. I don't give a **** how "fun" something is or how much I could "enjoy" it, I want graphical perfection first and foremost.
 
fortified_concept said:
where have you read that? Can we confirm?
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PSInext forums, someone posted alot of new info on it.

Amir0x said:
when are you going to learn, Solidsnakex. It seems you are a hypocrite when it comes to framerates :P
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It's something you just learn to accept. I still think it sucks, and I really didn't think it'd be as common next gen as its proven to be (atleast initially), but that's proven to not be the case. Still, devs who don't get there deserve to be criticized. If nothing else maybe iut'll wake them for for later on in this gen. So keep hammering it could prove to be a good thing.
 
Billy Rygar said:
I've said it before and i'll say it again, I wan't double #s between gens. If they could 60 last gen then why should I play anything under 120. I don't give a **** how "fun" something is or how much I could "enjoy" it, I want graphical perfection first and foremost.
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Hey, didn't we have like 30fps back on the Atari 2600? That'd mean we should be up to...*doing math, carries the 1*... 1.21 gigaFPS, I believe.
 
sigh i can only hope

I think it's ok for a lot of genres, but racing, FPS and action games like this really need it so badly.
 
Amir0x said:
you really do have all the faith until the end.

You fully expected next-gen from Tekken team.
You said 'no excuse for anything other than 60fps next-gen'. Remember that? Because I do.
You said you fully expect X, Y and Z from Sony camp and it never seems to materialize :P

when are you going to learn, Solidsnakex. It seems you are a hypocrite when it comes to framerates :P
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what's that?
 
60 fps or bust damn it. We're paying 400-600 for these consoles, there shouldn't be a single 30 fps action game in developement.
 
Amir0x said:
you really do have all the faith until the end.
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How's the saying go? Hope is the last thing lost? I want to someone from the SDF to explain how this is acceptable from a machine that is $600 and supposedly orders of magnitude more powerful than the 360.
 
Amir0x said:
you really do have all the faith until the end.

You fully expected next-gen from Tekken team.
You said 'no excuse for anything other than 60fps next-gen'. Remember that? Because I do.
You said you fully expect X, Y and Z from Sony camp and it never seems to materialize :P

when are you going to learn, Solidsnakex. It seems you are a hypocrite when it comes to framerates :P
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:lol he even has a link!
 
Amir0x said:
I think it's ok for a lot of genres, but racing, FPS and action games like this really need it so badly.
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I agree with racing and FPS, but in the case of action games like this, I really don't see it being of absolute importance as it is with racing games. That's not really a genre that jumps out as needing that framerate like a racer.
 
Amir0x said:
what's what. it's just a variable. you can insert anything that people expected from Sony there and it'd work, basically. Spring launch, etc ;)
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I'm not familiar with that expression and thought is was something important. :lol
 
Doc Holliday said:
60 fps or bust damn it. We're paying 400-600 for these consoles, there shouldn't be a single 30 fps action game in developement.
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I kind of have to agree with you. I'm one of those guys that would rather see a decrease in detail for a bump in framerate. However, with the supposed power of the new generation consoles we should be getting both high quality graphics and rock solid 60fps games.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I agree with racing and FPS, but in the case of action games like this, I really don't see it being of absolute importance as it is with racing games. That's not really a genre that jumps out as needing that framerate like a racer.
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Motorstorm 30fps downgrade confirmed.
 
Guys, I hear if you slap a "Fatal1ty" sticker on an Xbox 360 or PS3, all of the games will run at 60fps.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
I kind of have to agree with you. I'm one of those guys that would rather see a decrease in detail for a bump in framerate. However, with the supposed power of the new generation consoles we should be getting both high quality graphics and rock solid 60fps games.
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the big problem is that 60fps is pretty much a standard for action games at this point and this is the first ambitious next gen action game.

if they actually ship at 30fps, id imagine ikegaki will have a feild day with this. It might become his new Tekken.
 
Chiggs said:
Guys, I hear if you slap a "Fatal1ty" sticker on an Xbox 360 or PS3, all of the games will run at 60fps.
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the fatal1ty sticker comes with a trademark fatal1ty gamer mouse too, so it's a win-win
 
Days like these... said:
I want to someone from the SDF to explain how this is acceptable from a machine that is $600 and supposedly orders of magnitude more powerful than the 360.
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What's the machine got to do with the average 1st gen game not taking best advantage of the hardware for a variety of reasons that have been established over several generations of game consoles?
 
meltpotato said:
the big problem is that 60fps is pretty much a standard for action games at this point and this is the first ambitious next gen action game.

if they actually ship at 30fps, id imagine ikegaki will have a feild day with this. It might become his new Tekken.
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It deserves ridicule from more than just Team Ninja if they can't get the framerate up to 60 per second. We all know that Ninja Gaiden 2 will ship with a solid 60fps, Team Ninja just has too much pride to do otherwise.
 
meltpotato said:
if they actually ship at 30fps, id imagine ikegaki will have a feild day with this. It might become his new Tekken.
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Not unless NT decides to point out to everyone how gloriously mediocre Itagaki's fighting games are like NAMCO apprarently did.
 
Days like these... said:
How's the saying go? Hope is the last thing lost? I want to someone from the SDF to explain how this is acceptable from a machine that is $600 and supposedly orders of magnitude more powerful than the 360.
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Hey just because SSX is wrong here doesn't mean the XFF (xbox fanboy force) can come here and troll PS3 with inaccurate price remarks and annoying damage control ("hey guys HS is 30 fps. THAT MEANS PS3 IS AS POWERFUL AS 360. BECAUSE 360's GAMES ARE 30fps TOO GOT IT?")
 
kaching said:
Hey, didn't we have like 30fps back on the Atari 2600? That'd mean we should be up to...*doing math, carries the 1*... 1.21 gigaFPS, I believe.
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**** you're right. That means I haven't enjoyed a game since the Atari days.
 
Harping on about 60 fps is a trait of the hardcore, old school gamer who wants to live in the past. I used to be a framerate whore, back in the days of the SNES, Amiga and Genesis where anything under 60fps was mocked. Nowadays, 30fps, if steady, is ample and doesn't reduce the playing experience any less. Also, publishers realise that the average guy on the street buying their games cannot tell the difference, so in essence they can get twice as much detail on screen without sacrificing sales and alienating their user base. There is only one genre I can think of that needs 60fps, and that's traditional fighting games (Although Fight Night, Def Jam and so on are starting to make me think otherwise).
 
dark10x said:
No. F*ck 30 fps. Cut the effects down, I don't care...but 60 fps is a must.


60 fps with some slowdown. Not perfect, but better than 30.
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I didin't notice any slowdown in GoW, maybe once or twice, or maybe I just can't remember.


Anyways, I think what they're doing is for the best. Not for the gamers, but for the average joes.


When this holiday season comes around, people want to see that the PS3 is more powerful than the xbox 360, and the average consumer doesn't even know what frames per second are, nor do they care.


All that person cares about is which one looks more realistic and shiny, and I think based on the extremely optimized programming that went on to create HS's engine, they can sacrifice framerate to get more than just some more polys in.

It will probably be a very noticeable difference.
 
Aslong DMC4 will be in 60 fps im fine with HS being 30, i don't expect to much of first generation games (which are looking already really good)
 
SHOCK HORROR - 1st GEN GAME IN 30FPS SHOCKER

I remember people bitching about the lack of AA and Antiscopic filtering in 360 titles, yet here comes a 1st gen effort which has HDR, 4xAA, Antiscopic filtering is 8x + trilinear and all this is ignored

A solid framerate is more important than 60fps and I'd rather have more enemies on screen at 30fps
 
SolidSnakex said:
Not unless NT decides to point out to everyone how gloriously mediocre Itagaki's fighting games are like NAMCO apprarently did.
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That was a weak response man, really...

Not only that, I wouldn't imagine HS being as petty as that... responding to losing out in development with childish remarks? Nah...

And Itagaki's fighting games are mediocre? Namco pointed that out? That's funny...
 
Um, just for us, who don't really care about spending 60+ hours learning every single frame of every single animation of an action game so we can do a 100000 hit super mega combo, what's the difference between a 30 and 60fps again?

Jesus. Christ. Let it be. If it runs smoothly with no slowdowns, then it's fine. Just fine.
 
Skilotonn said:
That was a weak response man, really...

Not only that, I wouldn't imagine HS being as petty as that... responding to losing out in development with childish remarks? Nah...
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Losing out in development? Tekken to DoA? Are you joking? NAMCO made these comments years ago, I believe during either DoA's launch on the PSone or DoA2's launch on the PS2. And in neither case did DoA beat Tekken in any form.
 
There aren't many games like this that runs at 30fps, so those of you that says that you don't care, what games are you referring to when you state that the framerate doesn't matter as long as it's stable?
 
Skilotonn said:
That was a weak response man, really...

Not only that, I wouldn't imagine HS being as petty as that... responding to losing out in development with childish remarks? Nah...

And Itagaki's fighting games are mediocre? Namco pointed that out? That's funny...
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How exactly are they losing out in development? Heavenly Sword spanks anything Itagaki has done for the Xbox 360 by quite a wide margin.
 
Amir0x said:
what 'look' is that @_@
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this one

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ELS-01X said:
:lol @ framerate whiners. Such drama queens :lol I actually like the look of 30 fps more than that of 60 fps.
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This is the biggest apologist failure statement I think I've ever seen. Good going.
 
Is it really so batshit insane to prefer 60fps over graphical effects/more enemies on screen/ etc? Because if so, I'm totally batshit insane.
 
Its hilarous to see the people who complained about X360 games are now suddenly fine with it. :lol

I'm fine with 30fps, played some 360 games on the kiosks and they looked fine.
 
Jim said:
According one of the HS developers, the demo ran at a variable framerate, without vsync, and was below 60fps. So they are obviously going to lock it down at 30, enable vsync, and beef up the effects.

Fine with me, as long as it's a perfectly solid 30fps.

From B3d
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My question is whether they will choose to lock it at 30fps rather than have higher framerate during small scale battles with the framerate dropping to 30fps during battalion battles. I really hope they can do everything at 60fps but I'm not the developer and it's not up to me, on the other hand I don't feel the outrage, I'm happy as long as the game is highly playable and super-pretty, that would already make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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