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[Jonnyram]

Sony World Wide Studios games aren't quality??

You are insane......

Calm down. I didn't even say that.
In addition to their quality titles, they also put out a lot of average crap - that's what I meant.

 

[sonycowboy]

i genuinely feel bad for the poor swabs who sweep the deck over at Sony Worldwide, i honestly think next-gen is gonna be rough for them

Ami,

I honestly don't know if you're being serious or not anymore, but while I myself predict fierce competition, I certainly don't forsee a cataclysic failure for Sony.

It's $100. That's the difference as of now. It will be less in the future if it needs to be. I don't see the whole landscape of the market changing because of a temporary price differential. In the end, it's going to come down to the games and the ability of Sony to hold onto as much of their 66% market share as they possibly can. They'll have a power advantage (however minor), a first party advantage, Blu-Ray, and have potentially have seriously lessened the online advantage. That gives Microsoft NONE of the advantages they had previously.

However, Microsoft does now have a pricing advantage, a small head start, and better overall developer support.

 

[davepoobond]

I dunno I think nostalgia still rules the roost when it comes to believing Nintendo is still the best developer in the world. If you want extremely simple games without much depth, then perhaps they are the company for you. If you want a little more substance to your gaming, then they have been passed by years ago. Nintendo has fallen behind in terms of being an elite developer with the switch to 3D. Why do you think they want to keep things simple with the Wii? Because this is the time when they dominated the industry the most, when games were more simple. As games have become more advanced, Nintendo hasn't been able to keep up. Their gameplay style works brilliantly for portable games, which are meant for quick pick up and play and simple gaming.

very interesting point. i didn't think of it like that.

 

[Amir0x]

Ami,

I honestly don't know if you're being serious or not anymore, but while I myself predict fierce competition, I certainly don't forsee a cataclysic failure for Sony.

It's $100. That's the difference as of now. It will be less in the future if it needs to be. I don't see the whole landscape of the market changing because of a temporary price differential. In the end, it's going to come down to the games and the ability of Sony to hold onto as much of their 66% market share as they possibly can. They'll have a power advantage (however minor), a first party advantage, Blu-Ray, and have potentially have seriously lessened the online advantage. That gives Microsoft NONE of the advantages they had previously.

However, Microsoft does now have a pricing advantage, a small head start, and better overall developer support.

well, you're better at predicting the future from me. I mostly disagree with you (even in terms of Microsoft having better overall dev support), but we won't know until the FUTURE.

 

[Kleegamefan]

They've got both at this point.

As far as size, it's not even close any more. They're close to twice the headcount of Nintendo and more than that over Microsoft. They really, really need for the PS3 to be big, or else their new studio system is going to look like a In-And-Out burger with more staff than they could possibly use.

I am actually glad to here they have huge staff over at Sony.....they have proven to support their consoles longer than anyone else and it is good to here PS3 will have lots of games, with or without 3rd party developers....

I happen to like a lot of their games too......I would love to play another follow-up to ICO/SOTC on PS3

 

[sonycowboy]

well, you're better at predicting the future from me. I mostly disagree with you (even in terms of Microsoft having better overall dev support), but we won't know until the FUTURE.

Sorry. That read incorrecty. I mean they had better overall support than they had before, not better than Sony.

And you disagree with most of it? What I stated were ~mostly facts, but it's really a matter of how the various issues interact and how the market decides to go. It's impossible to know to what extent each issue will affect the overall landscape.

 

[Fafalada]

So either i'm not earning as much as everyone else or i'm just not that hardcore any more.

Dave, everyone else plans to buy ONE PS3, not ten of them.

 

[Kleegamefan]

I dunno I think nostalgia still rules the roost when it comes to believing Nintendo is still the best developer in the world. If you want extremely simple games without much depth, then perhaps they are the company for you. If you want a little more substance to your gaming, then they have been passed by years ago. Nintendo has fallen behind in terms of being an elite developer with the switch to 3D. Why do you think they want to keep things simple with the Wii? Because this is the time when they dominated the industry the most, when games were more simple. As games have become more advanced, Nintendo hasn't been able to keep up. Their gameplay style works brilliantly for portable games, which are meant for quick pick up and play and simple gaming.

You will change your tune once the REAL GOTY arrives....(rhymes with Felda:Zilight Wincess)

 

[Speevy]

Microsoft's unwillingness or inability to acquire everyone who made exclusive Xbox games has resulted in a pretty small first party, while Sony can potentially use the people who made some of the best Xbox games in addition to their 8 gazillion studios.

 

[Amir0x]

Sorry. That read incorrecty. I mean they had better overall support than they had before, not better than Sony.

And you disagree with most of it? What I stated were ~mostly facts, but it's really a matter of how the various issues interact and how the market decides to go. It's impossible to know to what extent each issue will affect the overall landscape.

yes, i disagree that it won't be at least a moderate failure (~50 million or less). you said 'cataclysic', of course, but i definitely forsee failure and strife and dark years ahead for Sony

and you think it's a 100, but just like the 299 doesn't exist for 360 in my eyes, the 499 doesn't exist for Sony in my eyes. And I don't know if consumers will feel the same way, or if Sony will just ship mostly premium to force them to feel that way, but i think so.

 

[Y2Kev]

You will change your tune once the REAL GOTY arrives....(rhymes with Felda:Zilight Wincess)

....not getting you...is it Melda: Dwilight Ninsense?

Oh, and you sillies should spell cataclysmic right.

 

[Amir0x]

....not getting you...is it Melda: Dwilight Ninsense?

Oh, and you sillies should spell cataclysmic right.

i know how it is spelled, i was just quoting how sonycowboy spelled it

 

[Speevy]

If the PS3 defies expectations for Japan and completely destroys the Wii, they'll have a much easier time of it having obviously secured Europe.

 

[davepoobond]

Zelda: Twilight Incense

sorry, i had to do it. :lol

 

[Y2Kev]

i know how it is spelled, i was just quoting how sonycowboy spelled it

DAMN YOU Amir0x, you prevail once again.

All right! But hear me and hear me well - The day will come. Oh yes, mark my words, Amir0x - your day of reckoning is coming. When an evil wind will blow through your little playworld, and wipe that smug smile off your face. And I'll be there, in all my glory, watching - watching as it all comes crumbling down.

/newman

 

[Amir0x]

DAMN YOU Amir0x, you prevail once again.

All right! But hear me and hear me well - The day will come. Oh yes, mark my words, Amir0x - your day of reckoning is coming. When an evil wind will blow through your little playworld, and wipe that smug smile off your face. And I'll be there, in all my glory, watching - watching as it all comes crumbling down.

/newman

so basically the day PS3 was priced 599

 

[Y2Kev]

so basically the day PS3 was priced 599

Why, were you a Sony person?

 

[Amir0x]

Why, were you a Sony person?

i was a person very content with the last two Sony consoles, yes.

i mean i could go...

alt: the day it was confirmed waggle had gamecube graphics and made you look like a retard when you played it

but $599 is still worse

 

[Big Shirtless Ron]

what's this thread about, again?

 

[Amir0x]

what's this thread about, again?

your avatar.

 

[Y2Kev]

i was a person very content with the last two Sony consoles, yes.

Well now you've just completely ruined my stolen quote.

 

[Konnjuta]

I was just wondering why it would drop instead of increase

Though our E3 demo was running at over 30 frames per second
I'm willing to bet the final game will run at 30 FPS.
Hopefully this will allow us to push even more effects on screen ?

You read much?




But screw that. The amount of effects and the quality of the graphics they had at E3 was already freaking crazy. They shouldn't sacrifice framerates for more effects so it will look better in screenshots. Ninja theory don't do it! Thats the Microsoft cheat tactics. Don't fall into this Microsoft syndrome. Almost all of the xbox + xbox 360 games sucks by default cause they're sub 60fps. Ninja Theory don't do it.

 

[Logan Cano]

and you think it's a 100, but just like the 299 doesn't exist for 360 in my eyes, the 499 doesn't exist for Sony in my eyes.

Why not? The 499 PS3 has more features than the 399 Xbox 360, so I don´t see why it´s not a viable option. It´s definitely not crippled like the 299 one.

 

[Amir0x]

Why not? The 499 PS3 has more features than the 399 Xbox 360, so I don´t see why it´s not a viable option. It´s definitely not crippled like the 299 one.

i guess calling it 'crippled' would be too strong, but... i'd still call it gimped.

 

[Y2Kev]

i guess calling it 'crippled' would be too strong, but... i'd still call it gimped.

It has "fewer features" than the $599 model, but you argued before that it is a gaming machine. The non-gaming features shouldn't really affect your decision.

But I happen to think it's more than just a gaming center, so I want the more expensive model.

 

[Logan Cano]

i guess calling it 'crippled' would be too strong, but... i'd still call it gimped.

I don´t get you. It plays all of the games available, has online, has Blu Ray, has a HDD...what is gimped about it?? You can get it and be perfectly fine with it.

 

[Speevy]

I'm sure Sony wouldn't be pleased if most people thought their $600 model was too expensive, but most gamers are only interested in games.

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm sure Sony wouldn't be pleased if most people thought their $600 model was too expensive, but most gamers are only interested in games.

So buy the $499 model, which is fully equipped to go online, save your data, and play games in stunning high definition. At that point, it's only $100 dollars more than the 360. Now it's a question of whether or not people will pay that (temporary) premium.

 

[CountZeroInt]

"It's $100. That's the difference as of now."

Errr, $200 difference between each model

Core - $299 360 versus $499 PS3
Premium - $399 360 versus $599 PS3

$200 difference is not chump change

 

[Amir0x]

It has "fewer features" than the $599 model, but you argued before that it is a gaming machine. The non-gaming features shouldn't really affect your decision.

But I happen to think it's more than just a gaming center, so I want the more expensive model.

of course it affects my decision! If I'm going to invest in any system, i'm only going to invest in it to its full capacity - not some lame half-way. i want to be able to use every function of my system to full effect if i so need be.

 

[Speevy]

So buy the $499 model, which is fully equipped to go online, save your data, and play games in stunning high definition. At that point, it's only $100 dollars more than the 360. Now it's a question of whether or not people will pay that (temporary) premium.

No, you missed what I was saying. People always say "Buy the $499 model." Do you think Sony wants its $600 console to be seen as ridiculous? It's not like the thing is just a bunch of memory cards.

 

[davepoobond]

"It's $100. That's the difference as of now."

Errr, $200 difference between each model

Core - $299 360 versus $499 PS3
Premium - $399 360 versus $599 PS3

$200 difference is not chump change

but you don't see that the "Core" PS3 is actually comparable and actually COMPETING with the premium x360 package.

 

[Logan Cano]

So buy the $499 model, which is fully equipped to go online, save your data, and play games in stunning high definition. At that point, it's only $100 dollars more than the 360. Now it's a question of whether or not people will pay that (temporary) premium.

Also, that $100 premium also allows Blu Ray Movie playback as well, so it´s not worthless. So, in short, I think it´s unfair to call it a "retard pack".

The Premium one is just that, a Premium version that offers some extra non gaming features, that´s all.

 

[Y2Kev]

of course it affects my decision! If I'm going to invest in any system, i'm only going to invest in it to its full capacity - not some lame half-way. i want to be able to use every function of my system to full effect if i so need be.

Well, of course this is how I think most of us feel. I'm just not sure it flies with the average person who is looking to save the extra dollar but still wants the Playstation.

No, you missed what I was saying. People always say "Buy the $499 model." Do you think Sony wants its $600 console to be seen as ridiculous? It's not like the thing is just a bunch of memory cards.

To an extent there is an allure to the "ridiculous." I don't think Sony is hoping for ridiculous, but maybe "premium" in an exotic or tempting fashion. The price is high and-- for any successful console--unprecedented though.

I think Sony will ship in quantities such that will force the higher price on people for a while anyway.

And oh look, it's countzeroint! How wonderful to see you again!

 

[Speevy]

but you don't see that the "Core" PS3 is actually comparable and actually COMPETING with the premium x360 package.

Right.

So are most gamers going to say "The 360 core pack is ridiculous, because it doesn't let me do anything." and "The PS3 premium pack is ridiculous because I don't care about that crap it comes with."

 

[Mrbob]

You will change your tune once the REAL GOTY arrives....(rhymes with Felda:Zilight Wincess)

I don't know what that is?

There can be only one true GOTY, and it rhymes with smackdown (although this game may be coming out in 2007 now :/ ).

 

[Logan Cano]

of course it affects my decision! If I'm going to invest in any system, i'm only going to invest in it to its full capacity - not some lame half-way. i want to be able to use every function of my system to full effect if i so need be.

Mmmm....but the 499 PS3 does offer full capacity for everything that is about gaming. The Premium only grants you a bigger hard drive, wi fi, a MS/MMC card reader and HDMI. Unless you plan on making the PS3 your primary BR player for the next 6 years, you don´t need the premium version, and that´s if the copy protection through HDMI is ever activated.

 

[davepoobond]

Right.

So are most gamers going to say "The 360 core pack is ridiculous, because it doesn't let me do anything." and "The PS3 premium pack is ridiculous because I don't care about that crap it comes with."

well, according to sonycowboy in that anecdotal evidence thread (yes yes i know ae ftw and all that jazz), cores aren't moving all that well. so there is something to that part of the argument.

and the ps3 premium pack might be ridiculous to some people because they have no need for an extra 40gb,wifi, and hdmi, and would rather spend the extra 100 on a game/hard drive or pocket it.

 

[Amir0x]

Mmmm....but the 499 PS3 does offer full capacity for everything that is about gaming. The Premium only grants you a bigger hard drive, wi fi, a MS/MMC card reader and HDMI. Unless you plan on making the PS3 your primary BR player for the next 6 years, you don´t need the premium version, and that´s if the copy protection through HDMI is ever activated.

i -need- the wifi for my set up, and i also need the HDMI

 

[Logan Cano]

i -need- the wifi for my set up, and i also need the HDMI

So, are those gaming features?? That´s what you are complaining about, aren´t you??

 

[Speevy]

So, are those gaming features?? That´s what you are complaining about, aren´t you??

I am a person who wouldn't even think once about buying the premium. PS3 Core all the way. But I also won a free Xbox 360 and buy most games with trade credit, so I'm probably not your typical consumer either. (my PS3 buy date is probably late 2015 as well)

 

[Amir0x]

So, are those gaming features?? That´s what you are complaining about, aren´t you??

read what i said. i'm not going to invest in any system - especially one this expensive - unless i could use every function of said system to 100% effect. It's that simple. Sony decided to add all this crap, so if they want me to buy in they have to wait until their premium is $299.

 

[Y2Kev]

I see what you mean. You need them because Sony offers them and it would be silly to invest in something without pushing it to the limit.

I had trouble understanding because if you NEED hdmi, then you can't get a 360 (or a wii, but that's besides the point).

 

[Amir0x]

I see what you mean. You need them because Sony offers them and it would be silly to invest in something without pushing it to the limit.

I had trouble understanding because if you NEED hdmi, then you can't get a 360 (or a wii, but that's besides the point).

as long as Wii stays under 200 nothing can go wrong :lol

or can it!?

 

[Y2Kev]

as long as Wii stays under 200 nothing can go wrong :lol

or can it!?

Well they could reveal that Virtual Console prices will be 50 dollars for everything and the prices will never drop.

Or they could redesign the wiimote so that it looks like a penis.

 

[Logan Cano]

read what i said. i'm not going to invest in any system - especially one this expensive - unless i could use every function of said system to 100% effect. It's that simple. Sony decided to add all this crap, so if they want me to buy in they have to wait until their premium is $299.

Man, I think you are just looking for reasons to bitch and simply don´t like the price of the premium. Every single function of the PS3 is available to you in the 499 one, at least all of the ones related to gaming. You can play to their full capacity every single game, play online, heck, even watch HD movies.

You NEED, NEED HDMI?? Why?? The 399 X360 doesn´t offer it and I don´t see you whining about that one and it´s also not needed for HD movies. You may have a point with Wi Fi, but that still doesn´t cripple the system´s capacilites nor functions in any way.

The ONLY function that the Premium enables over the core one is a mem card reader, and that´s it. That´s the function you are refering to??

 

[Grimmy]

i -need- the wifi for my set up, and i also need the HDMI

Does your TV have HDMI?

 

[Ranger X]

I'm supporter of PS3 premium 399$.


PS3 2008 FOR THE WIN!!

And 60 fps for the win. Most games better be like that in 2008.

 

[Dante]

i -need- the wifi for my set up, and i also need the HDMI

Wait you have an HD set with HDMI and your complaining about $600? Actually scratch that $200 difference.

 

[Kangu]

How could this possibly turn into a price thread?

Oh that's right, it's about the PS3.

The gaming forum is definitely in the toilet.