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Heavenly Sword - PS3. Not quite 120 fps...

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Feindflug said:
Q F M F T !

Now seriously that's very disapointing...first Resistanse now Heavenly Sword? wtf? **** the effects! **** FSAA! **** AF! I want 60fps - it's next gen dammit! there's no ****ing excuse for a game to run at 30fps in next-gen hardware unless it's an RPG or a slow-paced adventure IMO - only then I understand the more effects - 30fps trade.

**** next-gen! At least I still have faith in Jap devs...-__-



It's okay.
 
Feindflug said:
Q F M F T !

Now seriously that's very disapointing...first Resistanse now Heavenly Sword? wtf? **** the effects! **** FSAA! **** AF! I want 60fps - it's next gen dammit! there's no ****ing excuse for a game to run at 30fps in next-gen hardware unless it's an RPG or a slow-paced adventure IMO - only then I understand the more effects - 30fps trade.

**** next-gen! At least I still have faith in Jap devs...-__-



so wait.
Resistance is 30fps?

then why we have shitty graphics? i was ok with the graphics because the game run at 1080p and 60fps


now its not?? screw that.

it looks like PS3 is really not a powerful console and Sony is allowing 30fps so the games look as good as xbox360.
 
llTll said:
so wait.
Resistance is 30fps?

then why we have shitty graphics? i was ok with the graphics because the game run at 1080p and 60fps

They're planning 1080p at 30fps in single player and multiplayer at 60fps with 32 players.
 
llTll said:
it looks like PS3 is really not a powerful console and Sony is allowing 30fps so the games look as good as xbox360.

I'm trying to figure out how the first half of that sentence jives with the 2nd half....
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Just curious, but why would it have 60 fps in single and not multi? I thought it would take more to run multi at a higher framerate. Guess not...
60FPS is more important in multiplayer than in singleplayer. Thus, there will be less effects in multiplayer to achieve higher framerate and more eye candy in singleplayer and thus 30FPS. That's basically their thinking, and there's definitely some merit to it.
 
Good to know that there are some more overzealous than I when it comes to the whole 60fps thing.
 
The high resolutions + some ridiculously costing post-processing effects are too blame.
It's sad that they think it's important and that some gamers are following. GAMEPLAY and the game being smooth is more important that having a little shimering in the distance or that some texture may get a bit blurred at some extreme angles i don't look at.
 
Marconelly said:
60FPS is more important in multiplayer than in singleplayer. Thus, there will be less effects in multiplayer to achieve higher framerate and more eye candy in singleplayer and thus 30FPS. That's basically their thinking, and there's definitely some merit to it.
Which means you're going to have to stay away from the single player if you want to be good at multi, since the slight difference will probably effect how you play in an FPS. I know it does for me, to the point where I find it hard to actually play an FPS running at a measly 30 FPS.

For Heavenly Sword, the effect on the gameplay is pretty much non existent since you don't have percision aiming, though I'll be damned if I could hit anything with the throwing option in the demo. Yet it was a little disappointing that it didn't have the fluidity of something like Ninja Gaiden, even if the visuals were putting NG to shame. I really think it doesn't matter for HS, but if I had a choice, I'd definitely go for 60 FPS with less effects, since I'll be playing it, not admiring it.
 
Jesus folks 360 and PS3 are in their infancy, I'm sure 2-3 years into their life cycle more games will be 60fps.
 
Ranger X said:
The high resolutions + some ridiculously costing post-processing effects are too blame.
It's sad that they think it's important and that some gamers are following. GAMEPLAY and the game being smooth is more important that having a little shimering in the distance or that some texture may get a bit blurred at some extreme angles i don't look at.

And most people feel a solid 30fps does not affect gameplay one iota.
 
llTll said:
so wait.
Resistance is 30fps?

then why we have shitty graphics? i was ok with the graphics because the game run at 1080p and 60fps


now its not?? screw that.

it looks like PS3 is really not a powerful console and Sony is allowing 30fps so the games look as good as xbox360.

Oh for god's sake. Please point out a 360 game that moves as fast as Heavenly Sword, animates that great and still looks incredible.
 
fortified_concept said:
Oh for god's sake. Please point out a 360 game that moves as fast as Heavenly Sword, animates that great and still looks incredible.


Heavenly Sword is Fast? first i heard of it.


i am the first person who would love to be wrong about this. and to see the PS3 as a really more powerful console in terms of graphics. being a sony fan, i really want this. specialy when i am going to spend 500$ for the console
 
llTll said:
Heavenly Sword is Fast? first i heard of it.


i am the first person who would love to be wrong about this. and to see the PS3 as a really more powerful console in terms of graphics. being a sony fan, i really want this. specialy when i am going to spend 500$ for the console

It's a martial arts action game with lots and lost and lots of enemies. Yeah it's fast. And that's the reason of course why we're pissed it's not 60fps. Do you really think we would care about 60fps if it wasn't fast?
 
fortified_concept said:
It's a martial arts action game with lots and lost and lots of enemies. Yeah it's fast.


i know what the game is about [ this is respons to your weird looking face too SSX ]

however, from the videos i have seen for the game back @ E3, the game was not fast. unless you consider God Of war is fast, then yeah ok.


and yeah. i am pissed @ the game not being 60fps. so i am for Gears of war. however, due the graphics "wow" factor of gears of war, and the game plays somehow like Halo but in fps and Halo was 30fps. then i am ok.. for this,, i dont know
 
llTll said:
i know what the game is about [ this is respons to your weird looking face too SSX ]

however, from the videos i have seen for the game back @ E3, the game was not fast. unless you considerin God Of war is fast, then yeah ok.

I edited my post. I repeat. Why you think this thread is about and why would we be complaining if it wasn't fast? You negate the whole reason of thread that way.
 
fortified_concept said:
I edited my post. I repeat. Why you think this thread is about and why would we be complaining if it wasn't fast? You negate the whole reason of thread that way.

well uh. i was talking about Resistence being 30fps. thats what pissed me off because i didnt know they changed it from 60 to 30. the graphics of the game are nothing but xbox 1 graphics and yet 30fps on the so called most powerful console from a first party developers? please
 
llTll said:
well uh. i was talking about Resistence being 30fps. thats what pissed me off because i didnt know they changed it from 60 to 30. the graphics of the game are nothing but xbox 1 graphics and yet 30fps on the so called most powerful console from a first party developers? please

Well you were talking in general about PS3 games. And btw I was the first person to say that Resistance looks like crap when there were entire fap threads for it (you can look). Not of course xbox1 graphics -it looks better than many 360 first gen games- but still very dissapointing.
 
fortified_concept said:
Oh for god's sake. Please point out a 360 game that moves as fast as Heavenly Sword, animates that great and still looks incredible.

Animation was awesome. The graphics were good, but not mindblowing. Gameplay will get old quick judging by the E3 demo. Doesn't really look like anything the 360 couldn't pull off.






Oh, and Resistance at 1080p.... Sony should just suck it up and admit they can't deliver on 1080p. 1080p games are looking like high res turds so far.
 
SHARKS BITE KILL SHARKS said:
Animation was awesome. The graphics were good, but not mindblowing. Gameplay will get old quick judging by the E3 demo. Doesn't really look like anything the 360 couldn't pull off.

I won't even comment on the graphics statement. As for not being fast, well if you guys insist then this thread is useless.

30fps FTW!
bullshit
 
llTll said:
well uh. i was talking about Resistence being 30fps. thats what pissed me off because i didnt know they changed it from 60 to 30. the graphics of the game are nothing but xbox 1 graphics and yet 30fps on the so called most powerful console from a first party developers? please

I can't tell if you are for real.
 
fortified_concept said:
It's a martial arts action game with lots and lost and lots of enemies. Yeah it's fast. And that's the reason of course why we're pissed it's not 60fps. Do you really think we would care about 60fps if it wasn't fast?

I think he means the speed of the action, and he's right, it's not fast at all...
 
Skilotonn said:
I think he means the speed of the action, and he's right, it's not fast at all...

How that negates my previous posts about 60fps and the reason of this thread? As for the E3 demo it was just a small demo in a small arena and btw it was still fast.
 
fortified_concept said:
How that negates my previous posts about 60fps and the reason of this thread? As for the E3 demo it was just a small demo in a small arena and btw it was still fast.

I'm not even talking about fps - all I'm saying is that I was agreeing with him that the speed of the game was slow...

Nothing to do with fps...
 
Skilotonn said:
I'm not even talking about fps - all I'm saying is that I was agreeing with him that the speed of the game was slow...

Nothing to do with fps...

Action is very fast after 4+ mins into the the demo when many enemies are entering the arena. Have you even seen the demo?
 
ionicbluebird said:
Brandon on why he shouldn't care about Heavenly Sword in the first place but atempts to point out it's faults anyway... strangly enough: said:
Because it'll probably cost 5995 Swedish crowns, or even more because of the taxes.
And because I already have an Xbox 360. Microsoft was first this time around, Sony have to do a better job than they have done so far if they want to convince me that I need a PS3 too, it's too similar to the 360 as far as I'm concerned.


hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thread title:
What is/might/ or will keep you from purchasing a PS3 this holiday season?

But yeah, I'm not too impressed with Sony right now and probably won't get a PS3 until the price for the 60GB version is down to like 3995 Swedish crowns. (which by the way is 548.76 U.S Dollars if the currency converter I used is working as it should, just so you understand why I'm not too fond on getting a PS3 on day one. 5995 Swedish crowns, which is what we get to pay for the 60GB PS3 version up here at launch day, is 823.49 U.S Dollars. $823.)

My interest for Heavenly Sword has nothing to do with this though, once I have finally got myself a fancy new PS3 I would obviously want Heavenly Sword to be a good as it could be.
 
Nostromo said:
actually reading the interview instead of just quoting it would be a good thing.
I was talking about post processing effects, this means that often frame buffer bandwidth is completely irrelevant cause we are taking so many texture samples per pixel..
that's why edram on xenos is not going to help you here and in this specific case having 2 busses that can provide you more texture bandwidth can be a win.
Is it that hard to understand? I don't think so :)



Matt Lee-Microsoft Game Technology Group:

"BUT TEH PLAYSTATION 3 WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE THAN 256MB OF TEH TEXTURES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AMIRITE???"

/Matt Lee-Microsoft Game Technology Group
 
fortified_concept said:
Well you were talking in general about PS3 games. And btw I was the first person to say that Resistance looks like crap when there were entire fap threads for it (you can look). Not of course xbox1 graphics -it looks better than many 360 first gen games- but still very dissapointing.


when i said it look like xbox game, i didnt mean it EXACTLY like an xbox game. i put it in the same stage with perfect dark zero. good graphics but not " next gen "

and yeah, i was speaking about ps3 games in general. they are not something special. you have MGS4 wow graphics on the red corner, and GOW in the blue corner. sames goes for Final Fantasy and Lost oddyssey [sp?]

in a way, they both look the same to me. there is no " the most powerful console " sony was feeding us with.

however to be fair, i am comparing games which are second gen games like GOW to a game that is still in development with games on a console that is not even out. to be fair in comparing, i should compare perfect dark zero back in E3 2005 [wallguy] with Resistence. and we get a winner :P
 
fortified_concept said:
I won't even comment on the graphics statement. As for not being fast, well if you guys insist then this thread is useless.

30fps FTW!
bullshit
Ninja Gaiden is fast but its not on the 360 ;)
 
llTll said:
when i said it look like xbox game, i didnt mean it EXACTLY like an xbox game. i put it in the same stage with perfect dark zero. good graphics but not " next gen "

and yeah, i was speaking about ps3 games in general. they are not something special. you have MGS4 wow graphics on the red corner, and GOW in the blue corner. sames goes for Final Fantasy and Lost oddyssey [sp?]

in a way, they both look the same to me. there is no " the most powerful console " sony was feeding us with.

however to be fair, i am comparing games which are second gen games like GOW to a game that is still in development with games on a console that is not even out. to be fair in comparing, i should compare perfect dark zero back in E3 2005 [wallguy] with Resistence. and we get a winner :P

Don't go down that road. I don't want to make graphics/physics/fps comparisons between the games you mentioned because you'll be prooved wrong when everything is at the table. Hell imo you'll be easily prooved wrong even if only graphics are on the table. Anyway that's the last I'm gonna say about your comparisons because I've discussed this over a dozen times and it's got boring.

And btw I hate to do this (defend Resistance) but there are a ****ton of things happening at once in this game. Don't compare it to PDZ please.
 
I dont know why you guys are bitching about? GoW's framerate sometimes drops down to 20 frames per second plus the maximum number of characters on screen at once is only 8 and you said wow "this is next gen". Freaking double standard.
 
scooby_dooby said:
And most people feel a solid 30fps does not affect gameplay one iota.

Each time i'd defend 60fps games i would receive an answer like this.
I never said 30fps games are bad or that 30fps is bad for gameplay, i just said 60fps is better. This is a huge difference. Game can be awesome and designed with 30 fps in mind and play good.

The only thing i don't like about 30fps a the goal is that most games can't hold their framerate. If a game is 30fps constantly it's not problem, but since there's frameskipping in most games, i wish the fps would be targeted higher.
 
Dante said:
Jesus folks 360 and PS3 are in their infancy, I'm sure 2-3 years into their life cycle more games will be 60fps.

What makes you think they won’t go for 30 fps later on? It would make the new games look better than the ones available, and they clearly think there’s nothing wrong with 30 fps, so why would they fix what ain’t broken for them?
 
Green Biker Dude said:
What makes you think they won’t go for 30 fps later on? It would make the new games look better than the ones available, and they clearly think there’s nothing wrong with 30 fps, so why would they fix what ain’t broken for them?


how many games were 60 fps that launched with any console?
 
llTll said:
so wait.
Resistance is 30fps?

then why we have shitty graphics? i was ok with the graphics because the game run at 1080p and 60fps


now its not?? screw that.

it looks like PS3 is really not a powerful console and Sony is allowing 30fps so the games look as good as xbox360.

Agreed
 
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