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McBacon said:
:lol Haha!
Of course your confused. We're not surprised.
t-storm said:
Hey thanks. I'll get right on that.
Oh, you are one of those justifying this sort of behavior. And you are calling other douchebags? ROFL! I said WOW.
I think you are attacking grammar for the simple fact that you, yourself, know you are actually the douche.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Justin85 said:
Exactly I'm pretty sure that at some point in here everyone has downloaded either music, a television episode/anime, or what have you from the internet ...and are now standing on this moral cloud? Please.
I got put in my place about morality, and waving my finger awhile ago in the Off Topic, so I won't do that here. You got a wavebird for free? Cool.
The same thing happened to me when the sales assistant didn't scan my N64 when I bought it around Christmas time years and years ago. It was one of those '10% off everything' nights and the store was rammed.
However, unlike the OP, I mentioned their oversight and received a box of chocolates.
Go me!
However, unlike the OP, I mentioned their oversight and received a box of chocolates.
Go me!
Segata Sanshiro
Member
"Of what profit is it to a man if he should gain a Wavebird but lose the respect of NeoGAF?"
Wolves Evolve
Member
Ulairi said:
I have, in fact. Its a highly disputed idea put forward by pro-business advocates to strip away governmental control over trade under the farcical idea that freer trade produces a system whereby people buy what they need and want, and thereby installing a meritocracy. That being, 'let the market decide'. What this system fails to take into account is that unfair business practices, such as those demonstrably and repeatedly proven illegal by Wal*Mart (including corporate espionage, underpaying staff, legal forestalling, manufacturing and distribution shut-outs, exclusivity-of-action deal formation) then goes on to determine where we shop. And what we buy. Wal*Mart gets customers because its cheap. Thats fair. But if they are cheap because they lied, cheated, stole (actually STOLE as opposed to getting a Wavebird for free) to get that price down, is that fair?
You're right to say that they don't force people to shop there. They just force people not to shop anywhere else.
Theft is still wrong; but this was not, ever, in any way concievable, theft. Not even under the most egrerious use of daft Biblical silliness where an invisible superhero from outerspace is going to punish you after you die for things you do in the here and now, is this theft. It was an error, in favour of the customer. Error like this are part of any large-scale business, and are insured against, planned for and in Wal-Mart's case, relied upon.
.... but thanks for asking.
Wolves Evolve
Member
Mike G.E.D. said:
Best combination of sentence + avatar!
Wolves Evolve said:
I can see that you don't understand trade at all, but thanks for playing. You admit that consumers are not forced to shop at Wal*Mart, and Wal*Mart doesn't force them not to shop anywhere else. I don't buy from Wal*Mart. I don't like the stores. They are often dirty, dark, and way too big for my tastes.
Wal*Mart pays FMV for everything they sell and everyone they hire. I'm sorry that some schmoe at Wal*Mart doesn't make much, but it requires very little skill and anyone can do it. Wal*Mart is keep because of a brilliant logistical model. Bigbox stores are replacing small mom and pop shops because in todays world, the mom and pop shop is no longer needed.
I still come back to the arguement of consumer sovereignty. Consumers are king. If they don't want something it will no longer be produced. Consumers have voted (and continue to vote) and until someone builds a better mouse trap, I really have no place for the arguement that walmart is evil. Stealing is ALWAYS wrong and that's what he did. He stole from Wal*Mart. If he thinks it is ok to steal from Wal*Mart because Wal*Mart is evil, then he shouldn't be shopping there in the first place.
Wolves Evolve said:
Right. An error. I see. So, even though his wife knew full well that she did not scan the item, this is not considered theft. It's merely an error.
Let's refer to the dictionary shall we, since...you know, words mean things.
theft /θɛft/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[theft] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation,
–noun
1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
Hmmm, ok - now lets look up stealing:
steal /stil/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[steel] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, verb, stole, sto·len, steal·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
3. to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance
Sorry, you lose. Thanks for playing.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
But seriously, its already been said but its a morality issue. She didn't break the law. But Karma with his girthy member is lubeing up as we speak 
Nexus Zero
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
:lol
Man Stick it to walmart any way you can. Excellent to hear.
The only experience I have is the day after the 360 came out I had bought nba live 06 at launch and it was trash. So i went to exchange it at EB and the guy was new and got talking saying "did you see how awesome it was to see shaq sweat" :lol I said no the game was such crap i didn't care, so i was exchanging it for NBA 2k6 and he gave me a full refund on live 07 on accident (because i didn't buy the game from there) and gave me nba 2k6 straight up. After that I said thanks and hauled ass outa the mall lol. Was awesome.
The only experience I have is the day after the 360 came out I had bought nba live 06 at launch and it was trash. So i went to exchange it at EB and the guy was new and got talking saying "did you see how awesome it was to see shaq sweat" :lol I said no the game was such crap i didn't care, so i was exchanging it for NBA 2k6 and he gave me a full refund on live 07 on accident (because i didn't buy the game from there) and gave me nba 2k6 straight up. After that I said thanks and hauled ass outa the mall lol. Was awesome.
Wolves Evolve
Member
Ulairi said:
Actually, I just disagree with you about trade. Its not that I don't understand it, at least I don't think. I am an advocate of fair and legal trade with fair and legal markets and an opponent of corporate theft, government abayance to said theft, and the ideology which you advocate. But that's not to say I think you're wrong; we're just at opposite ends of the spectrum on this issue, so I'll just pick up on a couple of issues of fact rather than rhetoric.
Ulairi said:
Okay; this is an interesting aside, but this is the opinion put forward by free-trade advocates, and sadly for them the 'today's world' they refer to in their arguments ended up hollowing out much of the manufacturing class, especially in America. That the mom and pop store is no longer needed doesn't really gel with the experience of markets - or indeed the very model of competitive capitalism - to get lots of people competing. Yes, some people get good at is, and yes, that's how monopolies start. Take the Microsoft analogy; nobody can argue they have dominated the consumer market by shrewd practices and sometimes brilliant software. But shouldn't any anti-competitive practices be stopped? Especially when they are most dominant? Or aren't laws needed in today's world either?
Ulairi said:
Neither do I; but equally, I don't accept that they are good at what they do and that's that. Everybody has to follow the law and that is definitely that. They are only evil by dint of the anti-competitive practices, just the same with Microsoft. I wouldn't be on either company's back if they followed the law. They still don't. Consumer sovereignty, to me, is a failed and lightweight economic idea still being pimped by microeconomics lecturers in lieu of experience with models that work - that said, you are right in that capitalism is based on a basic meritocracy. To cheat that system is what I'm talking about.
Dr_Cogent said:
Hey, I know its GAF, but I thought my posts on this were pretty thoughtful and non-idiotic, even if you disagree with them.
Wrongful under your American law is based on the idea of criminal intent, isn't it? I think that when the transfer of the Wavebird occured due to an error, just as a bank transferring too much money into your account is their error, you have not committed a theft.
1. The person had permission. In fact, I'm pretty sure the staffer would have wished them a nice day.
2. Right given by the handing over of the bag.
3. Not even by chance does this model even fit; the Wavebird was handed over the counter. If the person has stuffed the Wavebird in a bag and forgotten about it, you'd have a case, but this is patently and legally provable as being a legal obtainment of a Wavebird controller. The law is crystal clear on this point; the exchange of goods is a metaphorical act predicated on an agreement between bodies. Hence - "right" - "permission" - "acknowledgement" - all of which were given by the staffer.
My final point on this issue is again, a call to examine how companies of that size work. They expect staff errors and plan for them. Its part of business and in their cases, would aid in achieving insurance regulation levels. Its obviously a 'loss' in every sense, but to say it was stolen from Wal-Mart doesn't actually take into account how Wal Mart works.
I mean.. what if the staffer even did it on purpose?
I lose because I'm trying to have a measured debate on GAF. That's why I lose.
Nexus Zero said:
:lol
UR! I swear!
Anyhow, grammar gaffs aside. We all know what is wrong and what is right. Knowing full well that a cashier made a mistake while you are standing right there checking out is stealing. There are no if, ands or buts about it. Now, if she had thought she bought the product and didn't thats one thing. That's a mistake. That's an error. Knowing while checking out that an error has occurred is stealing. It's deliberate.
ratcliffja
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
Considering the irony of your name, I assume (and sincerely hope) you are a joke character.
Vustadumas
Banned
Hehe, I had a situation like this myself. Back when the Sega CD came out, I had went to Sears to pick one up. Ended up that they had it on back order, so I put my name in to get one for the next shipment that came in. No money was exchange, just my info. A week later, Sears called and said it had arrived. I went in, money in hand to pick it up, and all they did was had me sign for it like I had it paid in full :lol
Happiest day of my life! Well, until I got home and actually played it, lol.
Happiest day of my life! Well, until I got home and actually played it, lol.
adamsappel
Member
It's spelled "gaffes." And that's not a complete sentence, either.Dr_Cogent said:
Nice knowing you, Roi.
A Walmart rep (the cashier in this case) Place the item into her bag. It was giving to her legally. So stop saying she stole it!Dr_Cogent said:
Besides I know people that work at Walmart. Do you know what they are told to do if they find a basket of items in the parking lot? The put it back on the shelf, they dont try to hold it for the customer or try to find out who it belongs to.
Man, it's ****in' Walmart, you nerds. It's not MA AND PA's VIDEOGAME HO-DOWN. Good for you, OP. With all the shit that company pulls they don't deserve a single moment of sympathy. You did a good thing today.
This reminds me of the time my friend ordered an HD set from Best Buy and they sent him two, one delievered on time and another like a week later.
This reminds me of the time my friend ordered an HD set from Best Buy and they sent him two, one delievered on time and another like a week later.
fortified_concept
Banned
Stealing from greedy multi-billion dollar corporations is not a crime it's a community service. The employee that made the mistake is impossible to be found so all I have to say is bravo.
Here's a great article from Harper's a few months ago: http://www.harpers.org/BreakingTheChain.html
It's about Walmart's Monopsony, supply chain, blah blah and why Walmart is bad for everyone
It's about Walmart's Monopsony, supply chain, blah blah and why Walmart is bad for everyone
thehighlight
Member
White Man said:
Yup.
adamsappel said:
gaffe also gaff (gāf) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. A clumsy social error; a faux pas: "The excursion had in his eyes been a monstrous gaffe, a breach of sensibility and good taste" (Mary McCarthy).
2. A blatant mistake or misjudgment.
Oh it is, is it?
What's obvious to me here is the people attacking grammar, for the most part, appear to be the douches who think stealing is ok.
Also, this is a gaming forum. I'm not writing a paper for the Thermodynamics class I took over 10 years ago. Get some perspective and a clue.
Teknopathetic
Member
When did GAF turn into a gaggle of blathering pussies?
