makaveli60
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Nope. When I took thst photo Horizon was running. Strangely running R&C now it shows this:
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Help! HDR problem
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Nikana
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Nope. When I took thst photo Horizon was running. Strangely running R&C now it shows this:
Sorry why is that screen weird? It shows you're running HDR.
Toytown Assassin
Member
Dunno. it's not a high end set. Got a Hisense H55U7BUK which isnt amazing but is still the best TV I've ever had and was all I could afford anyway! The HDR looks quite good, especially in dolby vision.
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makaveli60
Member
No, the previous one was the weird as I was told, when it said RGB only playing Horizon
Nikana
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Didn't you take two photos though? One in HDR and one not.
Toytown Assassin
Member
OK just checked and the ps4 shows as 12 bit RGB HDR10 and the pro as 12bit YUV422 HDR10. Guess you need better consoles mate 
makaveli60
Member
Yeah, that might be the problem, maybe I took that photo when hdr was off in the game
Gamerguy84
Member
It doesnt seem like it gets bright enough for good HDR. I have a cheap Vizio V series the same way, I think it looks better with HDR off because of that reason.
JeloSWE
Member
12 bit RGB HDR10 is actually better than 12bit YUV422 HDR10.OK just checked and the ps4 shows as 12 bit RGB HDR10 and the pro as 12bit YUV422 HDR10. Guess you need better consoles mate
makaveli60
Member
Well, I really hope this is the answer. That means eventually I will get the real deal with PS5OK just checked and the ps4 shows as 12 bit RGB HDR10 and the pro as 12bit YUV422 HDR10. Guess you need better consoles mate
Toytown Assassin
Member
Really? Looks worse.
JeloSWE
Member
Currently the 12 bit is superfluous, there are very few displays that goes beyond 10bit and it's not needed for smooth gradient unless the display can do close to 10.000 nits. Also the 422 means that the color information is of lower resolutions. while RGB is always 444.
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Toytown Assassin
Member
Would that be something to do with the ps4 being locked to 1080 and the pro being 4k? anyway the same image looks better on the pro for whatever reason. Both consoles are on auto settings.
Edit. Ignore that I just looked on the pro and that's the reason it gives. HDMI2 bandwidth limitations for 4k. Still looks nicer on the pro.
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Nikana
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You won't see yuv 420 or 422. Those are 4K color ranges.
makaveli60
Member
Why? PS5 will output at 4k
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm saying on your PS4. That's why you aren't seeing those.
JeloSWE
Member
That is not correct. It could be used with any resolution. 444 is full resolution color, 422 is half and 420 is a quarter so the bandwidth needed is less, that is why if you want 10bit HDR at 4K within the current HDMI 2.0 spec you can't afford full 444 as it will exceed the band width limit and instead have to use 420. With HDMI 2.1 we will be able to do 4K HDR 10bit 444.
Nikana
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I stand corrected.
makaveli60
Member
yep, that's why I said that then ps5 should be ok
Anyway took some more pics, first ones hdr, second ones sdr, maybe someone can deduce stg from them
Nikana
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yep, that's why I said that then ps5 should be ok
Anyway took some more pics, first ones hdr, second ones sdr, maybe someone can deduce stg from them
I concur that it looks the HDR is working properly as the highlights are more pronounced.
makaveli60
Member
Ok, then the problem is maybe me, I was expecting something else it seems. I based my expectations on the youtube hdr videos which I compared in sdr and hdr even on different sets, and when I watched them in hdr on my tv they looked a lot better, the colors popped out insanely and I expected this too for games. The worst case was Forza Horizon where hdr did nothing but made the colors washed out. At least this was what I noticed.
Quasicat
Member
Thank you for posting this. I’ve been disappointed with my HDR set since I picked it up in November. It’s a Sony 800g and I’m seeing the exact same things you are. The SDR looks amazing enough, but HDR is washed out and dim. I went to RTINGS and did some reading. Apparently, I need to play around with the HDR settings a bit more. Good luck with getting yours the way you want it.
Ulysses 31
Member
JeloSWE
Member
That is weird. Forza Horizon on my PC has very good HDR. If it looks like the image has a low contrast whitish milk overlay look to it then the source device is outputting HDR properly but the display device isn't showing it correctly.
On our Sony's, there should be an HDR badge at the top when opening the Picture Settings menu.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Did you find the HDR black level to make sure it's matching?
Also you can adjust the color slider on your set to adjust the "washed" look.
makaveli60
Member
I spent the whole weekend testing and trying, but it seems I'm not done yet. Thanks, good luck to you too, mate!
Ulysses 31
Actually I tried that and forgot that that one was the exception, that indeed looks better in hdr
makaveli60
Member
Yep, I have that. Couldn't figure out the problem, tried calibrating every way in the game's menu but no luck
makaveli60
Member
I will check tomorrow, but I have to sleep now, work starts soon. Will update later, thanks guys
Rikkori
Member
Don't bother. 800G is not really a HDR TV as it has no ability to locally dim the lights. If you put the games in HDR then it will still shift the colour space which if you like you can do that, but I'd say it's not worth thinking about.
Forza Horizon HDR is very muted, it has no real pop outside of some very specific scenes. Someone that's not impressed with the HDR in HZD et al is absolutely not going to be impressed with it in FH4, especially if they focus on the colours.
_Justinian_
Gold Member
The reason why I asked those questions earlier was because OP said that when running the YouTube app on his TV, the HDR was fine. I'm also in the camp of him needing a HDMI 2.0 cable. They're pretty cheap off amazon or monoprice nowadays. You shouldn't have to adjust the settings this much just to get a decent HDR picture on that TV.
Can the PS4 play videos files (MKV) off a USB drive? If so, then get the HDR Calibration kit and adjust your TV settings accordingly (make sure it IS switching to a HDR profile Games/Videos are launched), that way you'll know the TV itself is correctly configured for base HDR10 since you can't use the same settings for SDR and HDR.
makaveli60
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makaveli60
Member
I really hope you are right.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Why are you running this game at 1080p?
makaveli60
Member
I only have a base PS4 and Xbox One S. Both can do 1080p only
makaveli60
Member
Yeah, I think I activated this but it was in another menu for me. Will check anyway, thanks.
Justin9mm
Member
I'm almost certain you need minimum HDMI 2.0a cable, if your cables are the ones that came with the base PS4 or you know they are HDMI 1.4 than I'm pretty sure that's the issue.
Amaranty
Member
If you ever get the chance to play God of War then you should see quite a big difference between SDR and HDR. It was really the only game, where HDR looked great.
makaveli60
Member
I will try it then next. Maybe you can tell me a specific location to check and what to check exactly? Where I can make a good comparison. I finished the game so should be no problem getting anywhere.
Amaranty
Member
The furnace/blacksmith area right next to the room with the big tree (where you can teleport). I switched back and forth between SDR and HDR looking at the flames that are coming from the furnace. It looked pretty good in HDR.
The room with the huge tree is also a great place, since it's a dark room with glowing elements.
makaveli60
Member
Great, will try it when I'm at home in the evening, thanks
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The first part of Ratchet and Clank when you get out of the garage is a pretty big difference in HDR.
makaveli60
Member
I tried that but saw no difference. In sdr colors looked a bit better. But I intend to buy a new hdmi cable later today and will try again
Hostile_18
Banned
First up HDR is all about accurate colours over bright colours.
So with that in mind your first port of call (and most peoples tripping up point) is when you play SDR content are you playing to accurate colours? If your tv is over saturating the image to begin with and HDR is accurate it will look incorectly washed out by comparison.
So with that in mind your first port of call (and most peoples tripping up point) is when you play SDR content are you playing to accurate colours? If your tv is over saturating the image to begin with and HDR is accurate it will look incorectly washed out by comparison.
Ulysses 31
Member
Sounds like he should've gone with Samsung if he likes brightness and vivid colors.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Check out HDR videos of R&C in YouTube and see if you can tell a difference. That first area is more about the blacks than anything and is a good test to see how dark your panel can get while keeping detail. If you see no difference on YouTube I would have to say it's the panel.