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[Halcyon]

Where were you in 2008 with the Presidential campaign?
Where were you when Obama was voted into office in November of 2008?
Where were you the first few months of Obama's first term?

You obviously weren't paying attention because the Tea Party that began BEFORE Obama took office had already started the racist rants, questioning his citizenship, his religion, and more.

Keep fighting a mirage.

You seem fairly angry and full of generalizations. Everybody must be a racist and his policy is beyond reproach. There are obviously racist ignorant people but I feel like you're living in some sort of tunnel where you're clearly more enlightened just because of...reasons or something.


Not all republicans are racist big got homophone religious zealots. A vast majority aren't.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

It amazes me that people are not understanding that there is a difference in hating someone for their policy than hating them for their identity.

I don't hate Bush because he is white, a son of a former President, and a self identified evangelical.

I have problems with Bush due to what he did in Office.

Its nice that you don't hate bush for those reasons but there were plenty of people who did. You're crazy if you think plenty of people didn't go in hating him because of his accent and religion.

 

[Leunam]

Were anti-war protests during the Bush term gifted outside funding and given special coverage by the media like the Tea Party rallies were? Honest question.

You're crazy if you think plenty of people didn't go in hating him because of his accent and religion.

A Christian President?

 

[GaimeGuy]

So all the anti-Obamacare people really have no problem with Obamacare, they're just really angry about Obama's appearance and his name?

Yes, and I'm not saying they're not crazy..what matters is if you actually think your father is textbook insane because he believes that stuff. If everyone who believes stuff that you consider far-fetched and removed from reality is actually insane, well...there's just no words for what a bleak, miserable worldview that is. You might as well wish everyone was just like you.

Most of the anti-obamacare people wanted a private market-based solution to health care that incorporated exchanges to spur competition between providers, and a maximized pool of customers to ensure costs were spread out evenly.

Not Obamacare.


...

 

[.GqueB.]

They're probably sitting over there wondering the same things about you. Nobody understands anyone else, not many care to and this will never change. Best not to think about it.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Its nice that you don't hate bush for those reasons but there were plenty of people who did. You're crazy if you think plenty of people didn't go in hating him because of his accent and religion.

Yes, we all know how much the average American hates Christianity...

Anyway, could you answer my question?

 

[Deified Data]

You seem fairly angry and full of generalizations. Everybody must be a racist and his policy is beyond reproach. There are obviously racist ignorant people but I feel like you're living in some sort of tunnel where you're clearly more enlightened just because of...reasons or something.


Not all republicans are racist big got homophone religious zealots. A vast majority aren't.

The only people with grounds for questioning his policy are liberals. Conservatives have been getting exactly what they want for decades, whether they appreciate it or not.

Also I think "a vast majority" is probably stretching it a bit. I'd say it's more 50/50, and that's being generous.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

It amazes me that people are not understanding that there is a difference in hating someone for their policy than hating them for their identity.

I don't hate Bush because he is white, a son of a former President, and a self identified evangelical.

I have problems with Bush due to what he did in Office.

Well some of them hate Obama because he helped poor people get health insurance, food stamps president, etc. It's not all MUZLIMTERRORSITESIDENT but if you stick around long enough you'll probably hear that too.

 

[makingmusic476]

Most of the anti-obamacare people wanted a private market-based solution to health care that incorporated exchanges to spur competition between providers, and a maximized pool of customers to ensure costs were spread out evenly.

Not Obamacare.


...

Summary of the 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan by Kaiser

 

[Devolution]

People hated Bush because of his religion?

Dude you could not be more full of shit at this point.

 

[Artemisia]

Thank god my parents aren't conservative nutjobs. I don't know how I would cope if they were.

 

[Blatz]

To repost the crazy rant my Uncle sent to me after the election:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44355320#post44355320

My other uncles are the same way. My dad used to be this way, but I've become a sort of anchor tying him to reality. He still listens to Hannity and checks the Blaze, though, so he still leans towards that side.

Dude, you have my sympathy. My family isn't at that level.

 

[Dunk#7]

It did, but it had nothing to do with race like it does now.

Can we stop pulling the race card?

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

There is a sad portion of the population that hate him for no reason other than the color of his skin, but for many people it plays no role in why they dislike him.

Just don't put all people who dislike the policies of Obama in the same bucket.

 

[Artemisia]

So all the anti-Obamacare people really have no problem with Obamacare, they're just really angry about Obama's appearance and his name?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/25/505526/poll-most-americans-support-obamacare-provisions/

 

[Devolution]

Can we stop pulling the race card?

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

There is a sad portion of the population that hate him for no reason other than the color of his skin, but for many people it plays no role in why they dislike him.

Just don't put all people who dislike the policies of Obama in the same bucket.

We can stop once Fox News does.

 

[Lambtron]

Certainly Bush was not the perfect president but the hatred against him (just like the hatred against Obama) go well beyond what is reasonable for anyone, left or right, black or white.

No, he's certainly not. But that's like saying getting shot in the throat is not the perfect way to spend an evening.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Can we stop pulling the race card?

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

There is a sad portion of the population that hate him for no reason other than the color of his skin, but for many people it plays no role in why they dislike him.

Just don't put all people who dislike the policies of Obama in the same bucket.

There are people with legitimate beef with his policies who intentionally stoke the fantasies of the racists by using certain scary buzzwords.

If you knowingly use the racism of others to achieve your goals, you are a racist.

 

[Dunk#7]

We can stop once Fox News does.

Two wrongs don't make a right

There are people with legitimate beef with his policies who intentionally stoke the fantasies of the racists by using certain scary buzzwords.

If you knowingly use the racism of others to achieve your goals, you are a racist.

Very true. I hadn't thought of it from that angle, but I see what you are saying.

 

[commedieu]

You seem fairly angry and full of generalizations. Everybody must be a racist and his policy is beyond reproach. There are obviously racist ignorant people but I feel like you're living in some sort of tunnel where you're clearly more enlightened just because of...reasons or something.


Not all republicans are racist big got homophone religious zealots. A vast majority aren't.

I don't think you should dodge what hes asking you. Especially about the Tea Party starting racist attacks and their start date.

If people are making up issues with Obama, specifically the issues in OP that you can't refute are made up, then aren't they living in a tunnel, where they are clearly more enlightened, just because of reasons.. or something?

I get your point, and I know people like you. If I'm way off let me know, you're sick of people claiming racism. Unfortunately, racism is a very key part of Obama hate, as there are no camps really making effective and factual attacks or propaganda against him. Its still here in this country and isn't going anywhere soon.

This was all over the news, at many, many, many rallies. Republican GOP members threw peanuts at minorities at their RNC saying "This is how we feed the animals."What is in it for you, suggesting that there is no racism here. When its here? That people are making up "Don't Renig" tshirts and bumper stickers insinuating the president is a nigger? Why does the Republican party itself, know that it needs to distance from its old white male demographic? And is putting effort into outreach into minority communities?

Race is part of Obama hate. And so are a lot of made up concerns. Bush didn't suffer from made up concerns. There are 100000 reasons I hate obama, but they are not made up bullshity reasons as presented in op. There are a lot of people like OP's father out in the world, and they just lost a really big election.

 

[Jackben]

Can we stop pulling the race card?

No one is pulling any card, merely pointing to the things people have classically thrust into the spotlight in regards to criticizing the president.

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

It's what the megaphone is being used for. If the bulk of media and talking points were about debating legitimate points of criticism there would be more of a discussion to actually be had. Instead we have heaps and heaps of bullshit from birthers and other people claiming the president is a socialist or the anti-christ secret Muslim destroyer.

 

[Leunam]

We can stop once Fox News does.

Or politicians for that matter.

 

[Devolution]

Two wrongs don't make a right

Hahahaha.

That's rich.

People can't complain about racially charged criticism from a mainstream media news outlet. That makes them wrong and pulling the race card.

 

[Canuck76]

Nope.

And I don't even like Obama.

You have to be pretty fucking ignorant to think the racially charged criticisms of Obama are equivalent with the insults levied at Bush.

Sure, no i don't they're equivalent at all. Those people that do make it racial are pretty terrible.

In terms of extremist hatred though i agree with the dudes original point.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Can we stop pulling the race card?

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

There is a sad portion of the population that hate him for no reason other than the color of his skin, but for many people it plays no role in why they dislike him.

Just don't put all people who dislike the policies of Obama in the same bucket.

I dislike Obama and his policies but I don't go on dog whistling like a seemingly large portion of those on the right who vehemently hate Obama, politicians and citizens included.

Besides my post was more commenting on how much more racially charged the criticism is as opposed to what happened to Bush. I never said it all was, though.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Summary of the 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan by Kaiser

Duh.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/25/505526/poll-most-americans-support-obamacare-provisions/

What does that have to do with anything? What I was responding to was the claim people who rallied against Bush did it because of what he did in office while the anti-Obama people are only riled up because of the color of his skin and his last name. But how would it be any different if he was white? I don't recall black conservatives being terribly fond of Bill Clinton either.

 

[makingmusic476]

I don't think you should dodge what hes asking you. Especially about the Tea Party starting racist attacks and their start date.

If people are making up issues with Obama, specifically the issues in OP that you can't refute are made up, then aren't they living in a tunnel, where they are clearly more enlightened, just because of reasons.. or something?

I get your point, and I know people like you. If I'm way off let me know, you're sick of people claiming racism. Unfortunately, racism is a very key part of Obama hate, as there are no camps really making effective and factual attacks or propaganda against him. Its still here in this country and isn't going anywhere soon.

This was all over the news, at many, many, many rallies. Republican GOP members threw peanuts at minorities at their RNC saying "This is how we feed the animals."What is in it for you, suggesting that there is no racism here. When its here? That people are making up "Don't Renig" tshirts and bumper stickers insinuating the president is a nigger? Why does the Republican party itself, know that it needs to distance from its old white male demographic? And is putting effort into outreach into minority communities?

Granted I live in the deep South, but almost all of those I know that lean right and are outspoken about their distaste for Obama have had no qualms making racially charged statements.

That "re-nig" joke pissed me off the most, because it's so damn shallow in its attempt at humor, but even worse in that it would require the word "renege" to mean the opposite of what it actually means in order for it to make any sense.

Yet my family laughed it up. Children, all of them.

And when Herman Cain came along, all I heard was "Yay! We can vote for a black guy to show we're not racist!" No mention of his policies. All that mattered was he was black and "on our side". Yes, that certainly proves you care nothing about race!

 

[Dunk#7]

Hahahaha.

That's rich.

People can't complain about racially charged criticism from a mainstream media news outlet. That makes them wrong and pulling the race card.

I never said that you can't complain. Racism should be called out. It is terrible.

My only point was to not assume that somebody who dislikes Obama and/or his policies is racist.

 

[Devolution]

I never said that you can't complain. Racism should be called out. It is terrible.

My only point was to not assume that somebody who dislikes Obama and/or his policies is racist.

Have you read the thread or did you just come in to make asinine statements?

 

[FYC]

I just don't get it either, man. My dad used to be really bad about it. I remember back in 08 he told me that he was a Kenyan Muslim who abandoned his brother or some shit.

Once, I was in his office borrowing something when I saw an e-mail from my Aunt pop up. Turns out they both hate Obama, and she sent him "proof" that he was a muslim and the antichrist. Out of curiosity, I opened the link and it was a very blurry Youtube video of someone riding a camel titled "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!!!!!" or something to that effect. To say I was befuddled is an understatement.

The worst it got was when I was on vacation during the christmas bombing a few years ago. My memory is fuzzy, but essentially, some guy tried to sneak a bomb on a plane in his underwear and it failed to go off, I belive. Regardless, he was watching FOX News discussing the event, and he kept yelling "YEAH", "MMHMM" and other cheers of joy at the TV. Then at dinner that night with family friends who also came on vacation he went on this crazy rant about how Obama was to blame for that attempted bombing, even nearly hitting the table out of anger, and the guests just sort of gave each other a WTF look the whole time. I had to get up and leave, I couldn't hang out with him for most of that trip.

Thankfully he's calmed down a bit but fuck that was an annoying time period.

 

[many places]

My dad is one of these people are well. You know, a moron.

The type of person that will complain that Obama golfs too much and when presented the facts that Bush took more days off compared to Obama by a large margin, shrugs it off as if it's made up.

That "shrugging" is very common with these types I've noticed, a lot of my family are Fox News watchers and I just cringe. Whenever I try to bring up a point, to counter the bullshit on Fox, they brush it off as if it isn't true. Having said that, they do respect my opinions and that's cool.

 

[Jackben]

I never said that you can't complain. Racism should be called out. It is terrible.

My only point was to not assume that somebody who dislikes Obama and/or his policies is racist.

I don't think anyone here assumes that at all whatsoever and if they do they are fools.

 

[Evlar]

This thread is illustrative, isn't it? The consistent response from those identifying with the right in this thread is "because of Bush". And that's essentially true. It's the mindset of "you criticized a Republican president so we get to criticize a Democratic president just as harshly."

So it's purely politics as team sport.

 

[commedieu]

Granted I live in the deep South, but almost all of those I know that lean right and are outspoken about their distaste for Obama have had no qualms making racially charged statements.

That "re-nig" joke pissed me off the most, because it's so damn shallow in its attempt at humor, but even worse in that it would require the word "renege" to mean the opposite of what it actually means in order for it to make any sense.

Yet my family laughed it up. Children, all of them.

And when Herman Cain came along, all I heard was "Yay! We can vote for a black guy to show we're not racist!" No mention of his policies. All that mattered was he was black and "on our side". Yes, that certainly proves you care nothing about race!

Eh, Re-Nig wasn't a joke though, it was offensive, and just calling the president a disparaging term. People aren't afraid to be racist on Facebook - with their own personal information displayed for the world to see. People may be having a laugh, great. But the point is really that its not some small obscure issue that has no bearing on the disdain for obama. Its quite a lot of people, who voted, and are continually angry.

This thread is illustrative, isn't it? The consistent response from those identifying with the right in this thread is "because of Bush". And that's essentially true. It's the mindset of "you criticized a Republican president so we get to criticize a Democratic president just as harshly."

So it's purely politics as team sport.

This guy figured it out. And because its a team sport, no one wants to admit that their team ________. Goes both ways, but in the one instance of extremist bush hate was for exact and implicit reasons, the same doesn't apply for Obama - as in OP's examples.

 

[Deified Data]

To repost the crazy rant my Uncle sent to me after the election:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44355320#post44355320

My other uncles are the same way. My dad used to be this way, but I've become a sort of anchor tying him to reality. He still listens to Hannity and checks the Blaze, though, so he still leans towards that side.

That's insane. I'm glad I don't have any of these types in my immediate family. Hell, I probably do. I guess I'm glad I don't talk to my family all that often.

 

[Devolution]

This thread is illustrative, isn't it? The consistent response from those identifying with the right in this thread is "because of Bush". And that's essentially true. It's the mindset of "you criticized a Republican president so we get to criticize a Democratic president just as harshly."

So it's purely politics as team sport.

It's crap. It'd be nice to see talk about the expansion of spying and the crackdown on whistleblowers, you know real criticisms, not Obama is a socialist muslim who's going to convert the country and steal all of our freedoms.

 

[makingmusic476]

Eh, Re-Nig wasn't a joke though, it was offensive, and just calling the president a disparaging term. People aren't afraid to be racist on Facebook - with their own personal information displayed for the world to see. People may be having a laugh, great. But the point is really that its not some small obscure issue that has no bearing on the disdain for obama. Its quite a lot of people, who voted, and are continually angry.

It was a 'joke' in that it was supposed to be a pun, replacing renege with re-nig. Which obviously makes no sense given the definition of renege, but people laughed it up because "OMG NIG HAHAHA".

 

[Ferrio]

Bush hate was based on things he DID. Before he did anything he was regarded as a vaguely adorable moron by the left, all the extreme hate came after he became the War President.

Obama hate is based on imaginary fantasies of what he (implausibly) might someday do.

Can't be stressed enough. We made fun of him, he was a good joke in the beginning.. it wasn't until shit went sour that people changed their tune.

So he gets elected, and at first it's great because he can barely talk, and we're like, 'oh, he's on tv we've got to watch this is going to be hilarious' and he kinds of thinks he's a cowboy or a fighter pilot. He loves to play dress-up, what's he going to be dressed as today? So the first few months are really great, and then, oh, my god. HE JUST FUCKS EVERYTHING UP, And I mean for eight years.

 

[lednerg]

It's amazing that people can still be in denial about the southern strategy. The mental gymnastics one has to play... must be exhausting.

 

[Shiv47]

My dad is much the same, he firmly believes Obama intends to take everyone's money and guns, and then institute a soviet style dictatorship. We basically don't talk too much these days, because all he does is follow Fox News and the stock market, and I refuse to engage him on politics, so he has nothing else to talk about, beyond the weather.

 

[bishopcruz]

The Anti-Bush people are no where to the extreme of the Anti-Obama people. Not even close.

Nah, we had the Hitler references coming out before he was even in office. They are probably about the same. People HATED Bush from the get go.

 

[commedieu]

It was a 'joke' in that it was supposed to be a pun, replacing renege with re-nig. Which obviously makes no sense given the definition of renege, but people laughed it up because "OMG NIG HAHAHA".

I'm sorry, but you can understand how the south embracing a joke calling the president a nigger isn't seen as a joke, outside of people who don't understand that calling the president a nigger, isn't funny? We all understand the play on words - that wasn't. SO you're left with having renig on a bumper sticker..

If it didn't work as a pun, and leaves you with the suggestion of a racial slur, it doesn't qualify as a joke. Its not an issue of what I find funny, versus what you find funny, nor does it mean that if it is 'funny' its some how not completely racist.

Its racist, and it qualifies as an example to add to the list of racial tensions america has with a black president.

I'm not offended at the bumper sticker, as its from morons. I'd be more offended at you claiming its a joke, and seriously thinking that was the intent, to get a laugh, versus a continuation of racial attacks coming from the far right ( Since the right is known for its tongue and cheek humor ), but I don't get offended online.

 

[Dunk#7]

Have you read the thread or did you just come in to make asinine statements?

I was responding to a post where somebody indicated that the dislike for Obama stemmed from racial issues. I simply made a small comment to clarify that it is true in some cases, but there is a large portion of those who dislike Obama with valid criticisms.

I understand that the thread in general was discussing those that are more extreme and on the fringe, but from what I understand about forums/messageboards they tend to have side issues/comments that are discussed within the context of the main topic.

I deeply apologize for not meeting your criteria Devo. From now on I guess we should all only respond to the OP and never quote or respond to other messages within the thread.

 

[Link]

That "shrugging" is very common with these types I've noticed, a lot of my family are Fox News watchers and I just cringe. Whenever I try to bring up a point, to counter the bullshit on Fox, they brush it off as if it isn't true. Having said that, they do respect my opinions and that's cool.

Yeah, my mom and her husband are the same way. If anyone suggests they watch anything besides Fox News, they get visibly upset and scream that Fox News is "the only place to get the truth." This about the same channel that insisted Romney was ahead in all the polls.

There's no reasoning, so I don't bother.

 

[BLACKLAC]

What does that have to do with anything? What I was responding to was the claim people who rallied against Bush did it because of what he did in office while the anti-Obama people are only riled up because of the color of his skin and his last name. But how would it be any different if he was white? I don't recall black conservatives being terribly fond of Bill Clinton either.

Much of the people complaining about Obamacare(I would say the majority) was based off of lies and misinformation from Republican politicians about the bill. Death camps ect.. Propaganda works really well on Republicans.

Here is them doing it to their own. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_RqxNe7BHw

 

[stufte]

Nah, we had the Hitler references coming out before he was even in office. They are probably about the same. People HATED Bush from the get go.

I'm a moderate, and I disliked Bush (no extremist hate, just didn't like him) but this is very true. It was insanely silly. Insanely.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bus...96,d.aWM&fp=6f7c90a3f96d81ca&biw=1370&bih=927

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Nah, we had the Hitler references coming out before he was even in office. They are probably about the same. People HATED Bush from the get go.

Oh please. It's not remotely the same. As Dev said, what makes it even more infuriating is it ignores the real shame of Obama in office.

Extending the Patriot Act and being even worse than Bush on privacy.
Obama's close ties to Wall Street.
Obama and drones.
Obama cowtowing to the right.
Obama being willing to give up SS cuts.

These are the real horrors of his administrations and they largely get ignored because of the shit like his citizenship, whether he is a Muslim, socialist, etc.

 

[Devolution]

Oh please. It's not remotely the same. As Dev said, what makes it even more infuriating is it ignores the real shame of Obama in office.

Extending the Patriot Act and being even worse than Bush on privacy.
Obama's close ties to Wall Street.
Obama and drones.
Obama cowtowing to the right.
Obama being willing to give up SS cuts.

These are the real horrors of his administrations and they largely get ignored because of the shit like his citizenship, whether he is a Muslim, socialist, etc.

Yup.

And then we get told we're pulling the race card.

What a joke.

 

[Enzom21]

Can we stop pulling the race card?

Yes, of course there are still racists out there, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike the policies that Obama has been pushing with complete disregard for his race.

There is a sad portion of the population that hate him for no reason other than the color of his skin, but for many people it plays no role in why they dislike him.

Just don't put all people who dislike the policies of Obama in the same bucket.

Pointing out racism and dog whistles Republicans use is pulling the race card?
So pointing out racism is worse than racism now?

Have you read the thread or did you just come in to make asinine statements?

I am guessing the latter.

 

[makingmusic476]

I'm sorry, but you can understand how the south embracing a joke calling the president a nigger isn't seen as a joke, outside of people who don't understand that calling the president a nigger, isn't funny? We all understand the play on words - that wasn't. SO you're left with having renig on a bumper sticker..

If it didn't work as a pun, and leaves you with the suggestion of a racial slur, it doesn't qualify as a joke. Its not an issue of what I find funny, versus what you find funny, nor does it mean that if it is 'funny' its some how not completely racist.

Its racist, and it qualifies as an example to add to the list of racial tensions america has with a black president.

I'm not offended at the bumper sticker, as its from morons. I'd be more offended at you claiming its a joke, and seriously thinking that was the intent, to get a laugh, versus a continuation of racial attacks coming from the far right ( Since the right is known for its tongue and cheek humor ), but I don't get offended online.

Of course it's racist. And it's incredibly offensive to anybody with a lick of sense.

But to the creators of the bumper sticker and people in my family, it was a joke, and one worthy of laughter. I'm not understanding why you're taking issue with that statement, and I'm only mentioning it because it's an example of the racism prevalent amongst these people. I'm not trying not trying to write it off as "just a joke" or anything. I'm saying that the fact that they consider it a joke demonstrates their racism.