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The Chosen One said:
Cons:
- The pantry door..... someone should be fired for that one. Syler can break into a house but he can't get through a quarter inch thick pantry door???
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I felt that Syler was just playing with her, letting her think she was safe.
The Chosen One said:
But overall I think this season already looks more promising than season 2. I think some of you have forgotten all the plot holes and weak acting that was in season 1 as well. Season 1 was very good, but it was far from perfect. It was just fresh and season 2 was so terrible.
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Agreed. I was not feeling too optimistic about the season with the way the spoilers were portrayed, but actually seeing the episodes made me feel a lot better about where the series is going. I still have some doubts but not as many.
 
Belgand said:
Weak. I especially dislike the crazy god angle and Claire's crazy, amazingly idiotic "I can't feel pain and since I'm invulnerable there's no reason to anyway so I must not be HUMAN and I don't have SOOUULLLL WAAAAH!!" nonsense. I'm also even more confused on what exactly Sylar did to her brain. Especially considering that shoving a stick in her brain, even if it didn't kill her, certainly knocked her out enough to look dead until it was removed. It also doesn't explain how this would mean she can live through it, but nobody else can. I doubt it's just because of blood loss and it still doesn't explain the missing brains from the past.

The way that it's obviously ripping off Days of Future Past is just... well, even worse than last season's Legacy Virus knock-off.

I have to agree with the nay-sayers it's barely two episodes in and I'm already a bit confused, angry at the characters (and more so at the writers), and not really excited about seeing further episodes. It seems like TV shows these days are able to get one really good season out, but quickly start falling apart right after that: Heroes, Lost, My Name Is Earl, The Riches, Battlestar Galactica (it took longer than the others, but it's definitely been post-shark for a while now).... House doesn't count because it was formulaic from the start and just took me time to quickly get tired of it. Prison Break couldn't even sustain interest for an entire season (I can't fathom why I bothered to finish season two). The shows that do succeed (30 Rock, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) seem to be comedies however. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
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The missing brains can be explained that it would probably be easier for Sylar to study the brains by actually taking them out. Even though he thinks Claire immortal, he seems to not want to risk testing it by actually removing the brain.

Edit: And yeah I actually thought the two episodes were entertaining. I also think that people really have forgotten how much a lot of stuff in season 1 didn't make that much sense especially regarding people's action and time. Its just that season 2 compounded this with being shit.

But this season seems to be off to a decent start and Im glad the budget has increased enough where powers have become extremely common and more impressive.
 
The Chosen One said:
Great commentary GAF. :lol Even if you guys are too quick to criticize before seeing how things develop.

For me...

Pros:
- Nicky is less annoying, horse teeth and all.
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Passive aggressive much?
You wish you had Ali Larter.
You wish.
 
The Chosen One said:
Cons:
- The pantry door..... someone should be fired for that one. Syler can break into a house but he can't get through a quarter inch thick pantry door???
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I'm pretty sure he was just toying with her. He knew he had her trapped and wanted to give his patented Sylar Speech(tm).

I am actually shocked at how much less annoying Ali Larter is in this role than in Nikki/Jessica. I actually hope she gets some more screen time. Previously she was hot, mostly useless to anyone elses' plot, and very annoying. Now she's just hot.

I'm kinda disappointed that Linderman is a ghost inside Nathan's head. With all that has happened and with the whole comic book "good villains never die" schtick there's a number of ways they could have brought him back. In any event i'm sure this is just somebody with some sort of power behind the scenes manipulating Nathan. I'm glad that actor is back: he was one of the best things about season one.

And I kinda like that the catalyst for all this bad stuff is Peter trying to use time travel to change the past. I also like how Hiro has sort of figured out that going into the past is not really useful in any sense, because he has no idea how his changes will alter things (could be better, could be worse). Sort of tones that power down a bit which is very helpful for the show's internal logic, as flimsy as it already is.

And with that post i'm already starting to overthink this show. I will just sit back and see what the rest of the season delivers. My faith that they can pull off something entertaining has been renewed.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
I think they copied Solomon Grundy
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I doubt it. Nikki only just died and it seems like she's been an aide to the senator for longer than 5 minutes. Her twin sister not being dead seems the most likeliest.
 
So, any guesses as to which Heroes mama Petrelli DIDN'T give birth to?

I'm thinking, Claire... maybe West... and that's it.

It's pretty clear now she had sex with Maury Parkman, Kaito Nakamura, Daniel Linderman, Adam Monroe, Robert Bishop, Charles Deveaux, and any other men of the original 12 I'm forgetting.

Mama Petrelli's is EVERYBODY'S mama or gramma!

And she can handle a DP no problemo.
 
aparisi2274 said:
Nicholas D'Agosto ... West Rosen


And the kid on terminator is NOT him. That was the kid from Season 1. Claire's friend, who her dad had taken care of...
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I stand corrected on both accounts.

The more I think about last nights premiere the more I think I'm probably done with the show. Like I said earlier, I'll give it another episode or two to see where it goes, but I just don't have faith in the writers to juggle all these characters and story lines well, and I really didn't want to see them do another time travel/glimpse of the future story. It's like that's the only thing they can come up with. It was cool in season 1, lame in season 2, and already putting me off here.

Also, I think they've made several of the characters far too powerful now. It's coming back to haunt them in the sense that they conveniently forget about said character's powers when they don't want to use them.

Also, last year we had Peter with amnesia, this year he's stuck in someone else's body? Lame.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I stand corrected on both accounts.

The more I think about last nights premiere the more I think I'm probably done with the show. Like I said earlier, I'll give it another episode or two to see where it goes, but I just don't have faith in the writers to juggle all these characters and story lines well, and I really didn't want to see them do another time travel/glimpse of the future story. It's like that's the only thing they can come up with. It was cool in season 1, lame in season 2, and already putting me off here.

Also, I think they've made several of the characters far too powerful now. It's coming back to haunt them in the sense that they conveniently forget about said character's powers when they don't want to use them.

Also, last year we had Peter with amnesia, this year he's stuck in someone else's body? Lame.
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Just a spoiler for you:

There will be another eclipse of the sun and then some of the powers are gone. I think thats the way to kill the overpowered chars.

And you dont know if he is stuck in someones else`s body. You will just have to see.
 
Ceres said:
I doubt it. Nikki only just died and it seems like she's been an aide to the senator for longer than 5 minutes. Her twin sister not being dead seems the most likeliest.
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Exactly. The impression I got was that the relationship with the Governor was a long term thing, she didn't just show up the day we were introduced to him. So that means either it's a different person altogether or the writers want us to believe that during all the stupid shit Nikki was doing during season 2, she was also secretly sleeping with and advising the NY governor.
 
Xabora said:
INDIAN SPIDERMAN!
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Gallagher said:
Just a spoiler for you:

There will be another eclipse of the sun and then some of the powers are gone. I think thats the way to kill the overpowered chars.

And you dont know if he is stuck in someones else`s body. You will just have to see.
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That eclipse would have probably been a better way to start the season then what we got, and as of right now, he's stuck in someone else's body. Obviously I know he won't stay there, but he IS stuck there right now.
 
mosaic said:
So, any guesses as to which Heroes mama Petrelli DIDN'T give birth to?

I'm thinking, Claire... maybe West... and that's it.
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Well... Unless Nathan is not her dad, I sure hope she's not her mom. Though something leads me to believe that she's gonna end up not being Nathan's daughter.


suaveric said:
Exactly. The impression I got was that the relationship with the Governor was a long term thing, she didn't just show up the day we were introduced to him. So that means either it's a different person altogether or the writers want us to believe that during all the stupid shit Nikki was doing during season 2, she was also secretly sleeping with and advising the NY governor.
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She was a internet stripper and had sex with Nathan as her alternate personality.... But her new character's name is not Kristen or Ashley. ^_^
 
A lot better than I thought it'd be. We'll see how this goes. I do hate the fact that present peter is just getting fucked around AGAIN.
 
Here's my take. If you disregard everything that has ever happened in the show, the first two episodes are pretty good. The problem is we know everything that has ever happened in the show. They really need to lay off the whole timeline changing storylines because they're so convoluted. "Hey, I changed the course of time and made it even more fucked up. Now I'm going to sit around and complain about what I did considering I just caused everything that we tried to do in season 1 to be meaningless now that Sylar has Claire's power....... Or I could go back and stop myself from shooting Nathan. Nah. I'm just going to be all emo instead."

Not to mention that the big reveal is that Claire can't die yet the whole first season was about saving her suggesting she died. And lets not just kill Sylar before he gets all powerful. And when he's captured, lets keep letting him live.

Also, if present Hero has learned that he shouldn't go back in time to alter things, why does future Hero go back in time to tell them to save the cheerleader? And why not go back in time and tell Mohinder's father to stop doing his damn research?

I need to stop thinking about this because it annoys me so much but this show had so much potential and they just keep mucking it up with the stupid storylines.
 
First episode was ridiculous... second episode... okay, still ridiculous but at least HRG and Hiro's stories are intriguing. Either way, these two episodes were better then almost any part of season 2 for the simple fact that there was NO MICAH, MONICA, OR WEST. Seriously, I can at least get behind that as it eliminates the three most uninteresting, worthless parts of the show. But it feels like the writers are trying a little too hard to make every scene a bigger plot twist then the one before and these two were like a fucking soap opera.

I'll still watch to be disappointed when Hiro goes to fight that giant future Lost monster attacking Tokyo and they just show a scene of him running towards it off camera and later cut back to him explaining to Ando how exciting it was.
 
Deadly said:
What did happen to the Haitian anyways?
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Well I think I saw the actors name in the credits last night but like Bubbles he was MIA. So I assume we can expect to see the Haitian soon.
 
just got off the telly, got to say I was quite impressed with the new season. went right for the jugular - mostly interesting and I really really hope mohinder becomes a monster so they can kill him off. The focus on villiany makes this season a bazillion times better than the pointless season 2. Also, almost every new addition is well cast and complements the show. So far so good.

GREG GRUNBERG IS A FAT POTATO this season. He packed on the buttocks fat.


Loved the
you're not my mother,... but I am
. Man, so cheese so good so apt.


HRG got the wart zapped off his nose.
 
Anasui Kishibe said:
so basically, it's good? But good as Season one good or good as an actually good show?
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For me, personally, it's neither of those. I don't even concede the point that it's good yet. Very convoluted, inconsistent, and contrived at times.
 
Anasui Kishibe said:
so basically, it's good? But good as Season one good or good as an actually good show?
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Its good. Good as season 1 good is hard because season 1 was all about learning about these people and discovering what was going on along with them. Season 2 was useless. Season 3 so far IMO is awesome because the investment put into the characters through season 1 is finally paying off because they are actively using their powers.

For me, S3 seems like its going to be awesome.
 
I liked it. I liked the Syler brain eating part... "ew, that's gross." lol.

So, um, what exactly is he doing with the brain? Looks like he just touches it?
 
*sigh. The more I think about this show the more I realize just how moronic it's become. A plague on whoever it was in this thread that compared this tripe to Battlestar Galactica's seasons 2-4. BSG at its absolute worst is leagues above anything Heroes has offered post S1 finale.

-I just remembered that Peter can become invisible. That makes the entire opening scene with him RUNNING from authorities even more ridiculous. Here's a guy who can fly, teleport, phase, stop time, apparently alter his appearance, become invisible, or any combination of the above and he chooses not to use any one of those powers to help him escape. Right.

-And future Claire is apparently as dumbass as future Peter. Yes, sweetie, point a gun at a person who has the same healing factor as you do. And if she was under the impression that aiming for his head would be effective, she should've shot him the moment he walked into the building. A guy who can stop time isn't going to give you time to shoot him. Never mind the fact that he could've simply let the bullets phase through him.

-A dozen villains as bad as Sylar or "worse"? Get out of here with that ridiculous hyperbole. The last time we had a storyline hyping up a bad guy who was supposedly more evil and dangerous than Sylar we got Parkman's dad, who is possibly more malevolent but definitely not more powerful and no where near as intimidating. And now we're s'pose to believe that fire dude, fear dude, sound dude, and magnetism dude have the same threat level as the series' main antagonist, who is literally a walking nuke.

-And Sylar... he can completely recover from several fatal gunshots in a manner of seconds but an electrical surge knocks him out long enough to be dragged, strapped, and imprisoned in a cell? Seriously?

-Clair's mother walking into the room and immediately displaying her pyrokinesis without so much as a "hi, dear" was so freakin' corny. It was an obvious "Hey, you've probably forgotten about this character so THIS is her power" scene.

-Again, Peter can become invisible! Why the hell was he not cloaked when he shot Nathan? WHY did he even bother trying to disguise himself? Why run away when you can simply go "poof" in more ways than one? Walk through a wall! Teleport! Go invisible! Jesus, why would he even need to replace his younger self when he could permanently stay out of sight ala Claude? Hell, why not go back in time before his brother's press conference and convince Nathan not to speak?

God. Damnit. Why is the writing for this show so horrible? In Peter's shoes, who of us would've passed up the chance to absorb a few more useful powers inside the Level 5 prison? Or are only villains allowed to be pragmatic?

Grr, this show!
 
Ceres said:
Not to mention that the big reveal is that Claire can't die yet the whole first season was about saving her suggesting she died.
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Well maybe just like Parkman her powers grew? Back in S1 since she was just understanding the healing, she wouldn't have been able to heal from Sylars attack. Sylar would have probably also been much worse at extracting the part of the brain he needs in S1 than he is now.


Ceres said:
Also, if present Hero has learned that he shouldn't go back in time to alter things, why does future Hero go back in time to tell them to save the cheerleader? And why not go back in time and tell Mohinder's father to stop doing his damn research?
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Because during that time line Sylar got her power. But the way I see it the "future Hiro" timeline dosnt exist anymore since they saved the cheerleader. By saving the cheerleader they altered that timeline. Then there was the future virus timeline, which also no longer exists because they stopped that too. Then we learn from yesterdays episodes of a "Nathan revealing superpowers" timeline. Claire is only a part of this future because "future Hiro" got peter to save her. But by future peter coming back he allowed sylar to get ahold of claires power.

So everything they did in S1 still makes sense, had peter not saved claire in S1 nothing would have happend like it did.

Also there would be no point in telling Mohinder's father to stop doing research, the company would still exist and people would still find out about their own powers.

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Anasui Kishibe said:
well these are some really mixed impressions

I will watch the first episode, just out of curiosity
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Watch all the episodes. For some reason GAF seems to thrive on picking out any possible detail they can whine about as opposed to watching/enjoying the show. Watch for yourself and form your own opinion.
 
I think the show was better when the characters essentially had one power. Now that many of them have multiple abilities, it's gotten a bit silly. Before, the characters were unique, now you don't have "the guy who can travel through time" or "the girl who heals instantly". Instead, we have "the guy who can travel through time, like that other guy who can do it too!"

We're also getting too many characters with diverse, convoluted stories. The direction I had hoped they would go after S1 was that the Heros had finally found each other, and realized they weren't alone in their abilities, so now they would join forces to protect the world agains the inevitable super villains, who are finally showing up now. Sadly, that didn't happen, and we ended up with another "glimpse of an alternate timeline" thing.

Lavpa Jasai said:
Watch all the episodes. For some reason GAF seems to thrive on picking out any possible detail they can whine about as opposed to watching/enjoying the show. Watch for yourself and form your own opinion.
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I won't disagree with you that GAF can be hyper-critical much of the time. But the inconsistencies of this show makes it somewhat deserved. It's down right infuriating and insulting at times.
 
Lavpa Jasai said:
Because during that time line Sylar got her power. But the way I see it the "future Hiro" timeline dosnt exist anymore since they saved the cheerleader. By saving the cheerleader they altered that timeline. Then there was the future virus timeline, which also no longer exists because they stopped that too. Then we learn from yesterdays episodes of a "Nathan revealing superpowers" timeline. Claire is only a part of this future because "future Hiro" got peter to save her. But by future peter coming back he allowed sylar to get ahold of claires power.
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And this is exactly where fucking with timelines becomes an issue. W/o the timeline that requires Future Hiro to go back in time to stop Claire from dying, he doesn't go back in time and cause season 1 events to happen in the first place.

Major reason why Babylon 5 is probably the only show I've ever enjoyed that does a major timeline change. But JMS did his best to keep it to a minimum and even believable amount.
 
Ceres said:
And this is exactly where fucking with timelines becomes an issue. W/o the timeline that requires Future Hiro to go back in time to stop Claire from dying, he doesn't go back in time and cause season 1 events to happen in the first place.

Major reason why Babylon 5 is probably the only show I've ever enjoyed that does a major timeline change. But JMS did his best to keep it to a minimum and even believable amount.
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I agree, time travel is a hard thing to do right and will always cause plotholes. But for a show that uses time travel anyway, you have to be willing to suspend disbelief just a bit. Because you know...nobody can actually do it.
 
Wow, so the second half of that episode had two things I'd never thought I'd see on Heroes, or heck, NBC: Sideboobs and severed heads. :lol
 
RSTEIN said:
I liked it. I liked the Syler brain eating part... "ew, that's gross." lol.

So, um, what exactly is he doing with the brain? Looks like he just touches it?
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I thought the sequence was extremely well done. It mirrored his "fixing" of watches that ties in with his persona from season one. It was kind of neat.

Its HEROES. the show is really stupid. Season 2 was stupid but the execution and story telling was fucking horrible. So far, from what I've seen of 3, its still fucking stupid but back to being entertaining again.
 
Jax said:
I thought the sequence was extremely well done. It mirrored his "fixing" of watches that ties in with his persona from season one. It was kind of neat.

Its HEROES. the show is really stupid. Season 2 was stupid but the execution and story telling was fucking horrible. So far, from what I've seen of 3, its still fucking stupid but back to being entertaining again.
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Agreed, and I think everyone freaked out waaaay too much a couple pages back. She'd CLEARLY not his real mother; that was supposed to be a display of some kind of power :lol

I don't even know how you could miss that one really.
 
Ezenzer said:
-And future Claire is apparently as dumbass as future Peter. Yes, sweetie, point a gun at a person who has the same healing factor as you do. And if she was under the impression that aiming for his head would be effective, she should've shot him the moment he walked into the building. A guy who can stop time isn't going to give you time to shoot him. Never mind the fact that he could've simply let the bullets phase through him.
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Don't you remember? A shot to the head is a bye bye.
 
Lavpa Jasai said:
I agree, time travel is a hard thing to do right and will always cause plotholes. But for a show that uses time travel anyway, you have to be willing to suspend disbelief just a bit. Because you know...nobody can actually do it.
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Suspension of belief can only be stretched so far. I've no problem becoming immersed in a fantastical story of a world where people have superpowers as long as the actions and motivations of the individuals therein are believable and consistent. Characters conveniently forgetting their powers for sake of the plot, for instance, immediately reminds us that this is a show ineptly written. And even this wouldn't be such a problem if it didn't happen so often.
 
So, for as much as I said I wasn't sure about this season of Heroes, and how much I said Season 2 was an ugly mess, it never fails. There is something about this show that just captures me. No matter if I'm watching a good or a bad story, I just get drawn in. Later, I'll be able to say, "What was the point of Monica and Micah? Their S2 story was so stupid!" But in the moment of watching, I'm totally drawn in. And so far, Season 3 still has the power.

I'll say this, though, I wish they'd turn down the gore. My wife is starting to say things like, "Should we really be watching this show?"

Also, I love Bruce Boxleitner (sp?) on the show. Every time he shows up, I yell, "Delenn!" or "Abso-fraggin-lutely!" at the screen in my best Sheridan impression. (Which is not that good, my wife tells me. It's too gruff.)

Edit: By the way, can anyone get the Commentaries on NBC.com? I've been looking forward to it all morning, and I can't seem to pull it up. (I know, it's weird to look forward to the commentaries, but the Heroes Commentaries are usually pretty fun.)

Edit 2: OK, somehow I managed to get to it.
 
dark_chris said:
Don't you remember? A shot to the head is a bye bye.
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Yeah, I didn't forget. If that's what Claire was going for she shouldn't've given Peter a chance to react and maybe it would've worked. On the other hand, we've had Adam being completely blown up and surviving, it being stated that the company couldn't find a way to kill him, Sylar telling Claire her ability makes her unkillable, and him declaring himself equally immortal. I'm not sure what we're s'posed to believe here. A bullet to the head is a far cry from being unable to die.
 
Something about sylar and peter is that we dont know if they both can use all their powers to the max like matts mind reading/trapping/etc.... so we don't know if sylar really is immortal.
 
The idea of immortal characters is lame as well. Really takes the drama out of a situation when you know someone can't die.

"Save the cheerlearer, save the wo- ... oh wait. Don't worry about it. It's covered!"
 
They're writing this one season at a time, there is no long running plan or story.

The guy got 5 shots on Sylar, as an ex top gun man /cop or whatever, how could he not get a headshot.
 
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