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Hey Audiophiles- best setup for console immersion?

Looking for the best audio immersion possible while playing Xbox One. I've been using my Xbox One Stereo headphones and they just feel... lacking. I plug them directly into the 3.5mm jack on my Elite controller- I don't use an adapter. Not sure if that matters.

I'm kinda new when it comes to high end audio setups and I am not sure where to start.

I don't really care about the headphones having a mic, I use my kinect half the time anyway since my headset mic tends to stop working for days at a time.

My budget is ~$300. I have read a bit about open back headphones, but not sure if those work well for gaming. I don't care much about sound bleeding out- I game when my wife and kid are asleep across the house.

I just want to feel immersed. I want to hear deep low sounds and crystal clear high sounds without the crackling/popping of cheap headphones.

Recommendations?
 
For 300? My bet would be Astro MixAmp and Sennheiser HD 558s.

Edit: A lot of people are suggesting AKG K/Q701s, and they ARE fantastic for positioning and competitive gaming. However, in my humble opinion, they are some of the least immersive headphones I've ever worn. They aren't fun, they aren't bassy, but they are accurate and have a solid sound stage. Not saying they are bad, just that they probably aren't what you are looking for.
 
Not sure about the Xbox, But on the PS4 I can hear a significant drop in quality when plugging headphones into the controller vs plugging them into my AV Receiver. I'd say having a decent headphone Amp or receiver is just as important as the headphones.

I use AKG K701's, and while not being hugely bassy, they are really comfortable for wearing for long periods of time. I find closed headphones get too warm when playing in long sessions.
 
I personally roll with ATH-M50's. The newer models (with 'x' in the name) have a detachable chord too. Probably the best pair of cans in the sub-$200 genre, and ultra comfortable.

Here is my review of them on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/?ie=UTF8&ref_=ya_your_reviews&sort_by=MostRecentReview

I was pretty particular when it came to dropping $100+ on a pair of headphones, especially when I already had a nice pair of Sony MDR-7506's at my disposal, but boy was I glad I pulled the trigger on this purchase. After checking review-after-review (YouTube, forums, etc.), I can most-definitely proclaim that these headphones are PHENOMENAL. Easily the best pair of headphones I've ever used.

Volume: First, the ATH-M50's require an exceptionally low amount of power, so it won't take a lot to get these babies blasting. I pretty much always do my listening straight from my laptop, and on occasion through my HD display with my PS3, but you can even crank em' with a modest mp3 player. You can get these headphones up to incredible levels, and it's as though nothing ever gets distorted (like bass, etc.)

Comfort: The M50's padding feels great. Audio Technica leaned towards the generous side with the padding, so from the start these headphones are already WAY more comfortable than my Sony 7506's. I have a rather large noggin, but these fit snuggly and never seem to get too hot, plus, again, the padding feels terrific. You can seriously listen to these for hours without having to pop them off for a breather.

Sound: The low, mid, and high frequency response is gorgeous and completely flat (flat meaning that you're hearing the music without the headphones adding in addition bass, treble, etc. Everything you hear is the way it was meant to be heard. You can jack up the bass, treble etc. with an equalizer later, if you want to, but I hardly ever do.) This is perhaps one of the most superbly balanced pair of headphones you'll ever use.

These headphones are the reason why you'll go out of your way to find lossless WAV and FLAC audio files online, because every pluck of the guitar string, every hum of the violin, and every boom of the bass sounds just that much better here. For you bass heads, the bass here is very clean, without ever getting distorted. I think I could have considered myself a bass head for awhile, but these headphone got me to realize that there are also highs and mids, not just lows, and that you often don't hear it all with other headphones. Either way, these puppies still deliver in the bass area, and if you need more just download an equalizer (I use VLC for my music, equalizer, etc.)

Here's a quick comparison to some of the other "leaders" in this genre. I've personally tried these:

--Sony MDR-7506's - A great pair of headphones. My first pair of high quality headphones. While these are the industry standard and do sound terrific (you'll oftentimes see them in music videos, and for good reason), and I'd recommend them to anybody getting into the audio scene, when I cranked these babies, the highs were a bit too sharp sometimes and weren't pleasant to the ears, and the lows tended to get a bit "boomy" and distorted at very high volumes (otherwise they're nice). Plus, comfort-wise, my ears would often hurt after extended listening sessions, and you'd often have to pull them off to let your ears breath/cool down.

--beats by Dre - These headphones rely far too much on exaggerated heavy bass and sharp highs, which oftentimes drowns out the mids completely. The ATH-M50's are FAR more balanced and detailed. You'll most definitely be able to hear the difference. Not to mention, value-wise, beats by Dre are INCREDIBLY overpriced. To each their own, but these definitely push too hard in certain areas, and not enough in others. These are definitely a few steps below the ATH-M50's.

And while music is where these headphones absolutely shine, I have used them for gaming as well. I did play through Killzone 3 in its entirety with these on, and it was an awesome experience. If you don't need to have a mic attached for online chat, these will do quite nicely if you need to keep things quiet around you, or you just want to make things more immersive.

Overall: BUY THESE HEADPHONES. I went back-and-forth on Amazon for MONTHS wondering whether or not I should grab these, because let's face it, for some folks this is a pretty important investment (you don't want to throw $100+ away), and there aren't too many stores around that will let you take headphones for a test drive (at least not many that I know of), so you have to go strictly off of online reviews and videos. I was satisfied with my Sony 7506's, and didn't think I really needed to go any higher, but boy was I wrong. Everything about these headphones is phenomenal, and far superior to most or all you've probably heard. From the AMAZING sound quality to the excellent build quality (did I mention these are super solid/sturdy without being all that heavy?), I can essentially guarantee that you won't be disappointed if you order a pair. If you want to hear audio the way it was MEANT to be heard, grab a pair of these and get blown away.

P.S. If you're considering buying these for someone else, I bought a second pair for my parents who are big on old-school dance music (60's, 70's 80's, 90's, funk, disco, etc.), and they have seriously put the M50's through its paces, and the sound has only gotten better. As other reviewers have noted, the sound actually seems to get better the more you use them, so if you grab a pair, don't be afraid to turn it up to 11! If you crank these headphones, they'll thank you for it, and ask for more!

I feel like I could go on-and-on with this review, so I'll cut it off here, for your eyes' sake. Good luck with your decision, and in the end I hope your ears are happy (mine are!) :)
 
If you plug into the controller, arent you going to be severely limited in terms of audio quality?
Really you should pass the audio via HDMI to the TV or AV Receiver then take 3.5mm headphone output from there.
 
Open backs are going to lack bass most of the time, but will make pretty much everything else sound clearer. If you have any receiver that isn't your Xbox controller, that would go a long way towards improving the audio. For an all-in-one solution, Astro's with a mixamp usually land near $300. If you have something else you can plug a headphone into, the Philips Fidelio X2's are a great headphone near $300 that have a lot of bass for open back headphones, they also don't require a powerful amp to get the best sound of of them. Would recommend the K712 or Q701, but they need a lot of power to sound their best which would require an amp on top of their already fairly high price.
 
V-moda Crossfade Wireless (they'll be wired on Xbox and PS4, but you can use them on your phone and other devices wirelessly via bluetooth) plus Vmoda Boompro mic. They're the best for someone that consumes all media.
 
If you plug into the controller, arent you going to be severely limited in terms of audio quality?
Really you should pass the audio via HDMI to the TV or AV Receiver then take 3.5mm headphone output from there.
Agreed. The amp in the controller does the job, but it's wimpy compared to wired solutions. I sometimes use an old Turtle Beach DSS amp and even that sounds better than the controller jack.
 
You can check out the Headphone OT for advice: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1029724

This post on Head-Fi forums might also be useful: http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad...uide-5-31-2015-beyer-cop-and-shure-1540-added

Headphones I'd recommend, from high to low:

AKG K701/Q701
Philips Fidelio X1/X2
Audio Technica AD900x
Beyer Dynamics DT770
Superlux HD668B/HD681
Samson SR850

If you get high impedance headphones, I'd recommend a headphone amp and DAC combo unit. There are some affordable models like the Fiio E07K, E10, or E17: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=fiio+amp

And the Schiit Magni 2 amp and Modi 2 DAC are a great combo: http://schiit.com/products


I don't have an Xbox, but I have a PS4. I hook up a headphone/amp combo unit (I have the Dr. DAC2 DX) to the PS4 via optical and use the AKG K601 and Audio Technica AD900 (which doesn't need to be amped so I sometimes plug it into the controller). Everything sounds amazing and super immersive. Of course, I spent a bit of money for this setup, though there are better setups out there.

If you're on a budget, I'd get one of the Superlux models or Samson I listed above, they don't really need to be amped, but a DAC would help nicely. The Fiio E07K would suffice and its amp could help power some future headphone upgrades.

edit- while typing this post I see people already linked the head-fi thread
 
Im on PS4 but i have the Turtle Beach Elite 800 and they are pretty awesome to me. Very Sturdy and well made very little in terms of glitches and they normally have a ton of sound profiles for the most popular game releases. also added bonus is that it has bluetooth built in so you could connect it to your phone and get calls.

They have the xbox version which i assume would work equally as well. someone else mentions Astro A50s as well.

The only other options you would have headphone wise are some more complicated setups. but for 300 you cant go wrong with either of those headsets imo.
 
Unless you can blast the shit, I don't find surround sound systems particularly immersive. The first time I started playing games with headphones I was in love, you can hear every detail on a good pair.

I'm personally not a huge fan of having the sound overly colored. I use the classic Sony MDR-7506 Studio Headphones that have been around forever. They definitely do push on the high end quite a bit so your sound will be insanely crisp, but the clarity on these things is nuts. There is no spike in the low end so if you want crazy and in my opinion unnatural bass then they aren't for you, but they do handle lows well. But as I said, if you want clarity then they are unbeatable.

They aren't super pricey either, you can buy them for around $100 or less.
 
I use these (Sennheiser HD 598) with an Earforce DSS1 and I find the quality to be quite amazing. Now the DSS connects through an optical cable to your console and then the headphones into the DSS and I'm not sure if the wired connection is an option for you.

Also, you mentioned you want deep lows which these headphones really don't provide. They are open back so you can't get those booming bass frequencies. They also let in all surrounding noise like a TV in the background. However, what they do provide is the best sound stage I've ever heard. It makes you feel like you are literally within the environment that your character is. This first game I tried this setup on was Witcher 3 and I was coming from a very decent 5.1 surround sound setup with wall mounted speakers and everything. I was simply blown away by how crisp everything sounded and I remember feeling like I was actually standing in the forest with the wind rustling the leaves and the cracks of the wood as the trees swayed. I don't see myself changing this setup for quite a while.
 
As others have said have the headphones go through some sort of mixer/receiver/amp rather than the audio jack on the controller. Especially on PS4 because it is bluetooth. I have never, not once had a good audio experience with anything bluetooth. WiFi direct or whatever MS uses might be better than bluetooth in this regard (anyone have any data regarding this) but I still doubt you can match the performance of an amp.
 
You can check out the Headphone OT for advice: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=825268

This post on Head-Fi forums might also be useful: http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad...uide-5-31-2015-beyer-cop-and-shure-1540-added

Headphones I'd recommend, from high to low:

AKG K701/Q701
Philips Fidelio X1/X2
Audio Technica AD900x
Beyer Dynamics DT770
Superlux HD668B/HD681
Samson SR850

If you get high impedance headphones, I'd recommend a headphone amp and DAC combo unit. There are some affordable models like the Fiio E07K, E10, or E17: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=fiio+amp

And the Schiit Magni 2 amp and Modi 2 DAC are a great combo: http://schiit.com/products


I don't have an Xbox, but I have a PS4. I hook up a headphone/amp combo unit (I have the Dr. DAC2 DX) to the PS4 via optical and use the AKG K601 and Audio Technica AD900 (which doesn't need to be amped so I sometimes plug it into the controller). Everything sounds amazing and super immersive. Of course, I spent a bit of money for this setup, though there are better setups out there.

If you're on a budget, I'd get one of the Superlux models or Samson I listed above, they don't really need to be amped, but a DAC would help nicely. The Fiio E07K would suffice and its amp could help power some future headphone upgrades.

edit- while typing this post I see people already linked the head-fi thread

Wow, you've got me doing a ton of research on the AD900x's now. Seriously considering buying.
 
Wow, thanks for all of the posts guys. I appreciate it.

And I should have been more clear, I apologize. Definitely looking for a headphone solution. And running an optical cable isn't a problem.
 
Wow, you've got me doing a ton of research on the AD900x's now. Seriously considering buying.

I have the AD900, the older model, but the AD900x are simply the newer ones, no differences that I can tell. They sound great: nice open soundstage courtesy of their open back design, good mids and highs, but not very bass heavy (I prefer it this way but others might disagree). Rock and pop sound really good, as do video games!

They are also super light and comfy; you can wear them for hours and not feel fatigue. For those who wear glasses (like me), it is still very comfortable. And they're only 32ohms, so you can plug them into anything. If I use party chat on PS4, I pair them up with a Sony clip on mic and a grassy adapter.
 
I use these (Sennheiser HD 598) with an Earforce DSS1 and I find the quality to be quite amazing. Now the DSS connects through an optical cable to your console and then the headphones into the DSS and I'm not sure if the wired connection is an option for you.

Also, you mentioned you want deep lows which these headphones really don't provide. They are open back so you can't get those booming bass frequencies. They also let in all surrounding noise like a TV in the background. However, what they do provide is the best sound stage I've ever heard. It makes you feel like you are literally within the environment that your character is. This first game I tried this setup on was Witcher 3 and I was coming from a very decent 5.1 surround sound setup with wall mounted speakers and everything. I was simply blown away by how crisp everything sounded and I remember feeling like I was actually standing in the forest with the wind rustling the leaves and the cracks of the wood as the trees swayed. I don't see myself changing this setup for quite a while.

That describes perfectly what I am looking for. I want the sound to feel like I am actually there.
 
I can probably find it now that you have pointed out that there is a Headphone OT. But..


FYI, that link directs me to the Board Games OT :)

Sorry, had many tabs open. I corrected the link :)

That describes perfectly what I am looking for. I want the sound to feel like I am actually there.

Check out the Audio Technicas I mentioned. Super awesome soundstage, a bit wider than the Senns. You can hear all sorts of environmental sounds (creaking of doors behind you, footsteps, the wind, etc) with them. It makes Bloodborne much creepier when playing with them on.

Here's some comparisons: http://www.head-fi.org/t/671839/ad900-ad900x-versus-hd598-bass-and-speed-comparison
 
Turtle Beach EarForce DSS (version 1, not 2). Goes for around $15 on Amazon. It is a DAC with surround sound processing. So it gives any headset plugged into it virtual surround sound for much cheaper than the Astro MixAmp.

For the headphones I'd go with the Sennheiser HD 518s or 558s. Whichever. You can get a pretty good setup for under $100. Obviously since you have a $300 you can splurge a bit.

But the DSS+SHHD518s is a great budget setup that sounds fantastic. Only downside is that it is all wired and the volume controls are on the DSS itself, I don't know of any good in-line volume replacement cords for Sennheiser headphones.
 
For 300? My bet would be Astro MixAmp and Sennheiser HD 558s.

Edit: A lot of people are suggesting AKG K/Q701s, and they ARE fantastic for positioning and competitive gaming. However, in my humble opinion, they are some of the least immersive headphones I've ever worn. They aren't fun, they aren't bassy, but they are accurate and have a solid sound stage. Not saying they are bad, just that they probably aren't what you are looking for.

I did this exact same setup last year - and i was (unfortunately) underwhelmed. I'm not sure if that mixamp has enough power to drive those headphones but the sound was too low. The worst part about it was the constant "hissing" noise coming from the headphones.

I returned both (amazon). On BF i bought my second pair of PS Golds ($60) - i know they suck compared to whats out there but the simplicity can't be beat.
 
I did this exact same setup last year - and i was (unfortunately) underwhelmed. I'm not sure if that mixamp has enough power to drive those headphones but the sound was too low. The worst part about it was the constant "hissing" noise coming from the headphones.

I returned both (amazon). On BF i bought my second pair of PS Golds ($60) - i know they suck compared to whats out there but the simplicity can't be beat.

I didn't have an issue with it when I was using it. Do you know which version of the MixAmp you were using? I've ran it on the first and second generation of the MixAmp and not had any issues (outside of the DAC issues with the 2nd gen).
 
imo a portable amp/dac is just as important. Most of the headphones will be underpowered without one.

pick up a fiio e17 if u can.
 
You need a decent receiver or portable headphone amp.

For headphones themselves:

Audio Technica AD900x
Beyer Dynamics DT770 or 880s
BW 7s

But most stuff in the 100-200 range isn't going to get you immersion quality.
300-500 range with a amp will help, but none of this beats a great receiver.
 
Philips fidelio x2 would be a good choice. It has a great sound stage with an exciting bass for open back. It feels very much like the sound is present with you and the headphones disappear. I've not personally heard a lot of headphones but it does rate well with reviews. Great for music and movies also.Though, the K/Q701 are boring for entertainment purposes in my opinion but great for details.
 
I don't think you're going to get the immersion you want from headphones and I say that as a big fan of headphones for gaming.

Tried/used a lot of different setups at almost all price ranges, no headphones have ever given me this:

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That said, with $300 as your budget headphones are the only real option IMHO.
 
Philips fidelio x2 would be a good choice. It has a great sound stage with an exciting bass for open back. It feels very much like the sound is present with you and the headphones disappear. I've not personally heard a lot of headphones but it does rate well with reviews. Great for music and movies also.Though, the K/Q701 are boring for entertainment purposes in my opinion but great for details.

+1 I use the X2s and they are absolutely perfect for gaming.

Need a mic? Go with the Vmoda Boom pro attachment.
 
My advice is if you're serious about audio, spend a little more on your essentials (Amp/DAC), so that when you might upgrade headphones in the future you're already set.

As has been recommended already, the Schiit Magni 2 and Modi 2 are fantastic. With the exception of the o2+ODAC which lacks optical-in, there isn't anything comparable in that price range. It has a very uncolored output, and it is all you're ever likely to need, even with much more expensive headphones. I'm not terribly familiar with the Xbox One, I play on PC, but with optical-out, that should all be fine.

You're not asking for a headset, so I assume you already understand that's a no-no. As for headphone recommendations, that's a bit more personal, but let's see... Open headphones are fantastic, but as you're already aware, there will be some leaking, and you can hear your surroundings. If you're in a noisy area, you'll be able to hear it, unless the volume overpowers it. Bass isn't overly focused on open headphones, but that doesn't mean it's not there. For some open headphones, its response is more accurate or life-like, but not necessary head-banging or explosion-shaking. Soundstage is an important quality for gaming, and it's one of the area in which open headphones excel. By soundstage I mean the size of the area of where you perceive sounds to be coming from. If it's small, it can sound like it's all coming from inside your head, if it's large, it can sound like it's coming form outside of your head. Even after you consider this, it's important to know what you value more. Do you want accentuated Highs or Lows, or do you prefer as neutral a response as possible? And, out of your $300 budget, assuming it stays at that, how much is for the headphones? Because if you decide to stay upgrade-ready as I recommended and get the Schiit Stack, that's $100 left. There are some great recommendations in this thread already, but I'd like to add a $100 option: Philips SHP9500. I can't speak to personally using it, but it's getting fantastic reviews and praise for its price. Personally I use the HD600s, which are very neutral and detailed, but don't offer as large of a soundstage as some are looking.
 
grab a transducer, either a cheap one from Aura if you don't mind installing it on your chair with screws, or a buttkicker if you have money to burn.

It takes headphone gaming up a notch. It'll give you the feel of an enormous subwoofer without anyone else being able to hear it. It adds to the experience immensely.
 
Go for the most clear and flat sound possible. At that price, only Audioteknika headphones will give you that quality.


Edit: previously wrote Seinnheisers by mistake
 
What you guys recommend to run a pair of HD600s? Got some which Ive never used, tempted to sell them and get some X2s - just easier to power and just about perfect for gaming. Though the temptation to have both is...

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What you guys recommend to run a pair of HD600s? Got some which Ive never used, tempted to sell them and get some X2s - just easier to power and just about perfect for gaming. Though the temptation to have both is...

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o2+ODAC or Schiit Stack (Magni 2 & Modi 2), depending on what inputs you need. You want something uncolored to go with HD600's very neutral response in my opinion, which those two offer, and will be great for anything else as well.
 
What you guys recommend to run a pair of HD600s? Got some which Ive never used, tempted to sell them and get some X2s - just easier to power and just about perfect for gaming. Though the temptation to have both is...

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Maybe the O2 + ODAC amp/DAC combo. You could also look into the Shiit Magni/Modi stack or the Asgard.

Also, why are you signing your post?

edit- wow, beaten! I was double checking some reviews to make sure I was posting accurate info
 
o2+ODAC or Schiit Stack (Magni 2 & Modi 2), depending on what inputs you need. You want something uncolored to go with HD600's very neutral response in my opinion, which those two offer, and will be great for anything else as well.

Maybe the O2 + ODAC amp/DAC combo. You could also look into the Shiit Magni/Modi stack or the Asgard.
Cheers guys, nice mind-meld there - will have a look! Hopefully can get those in the UK

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It makes Bloodborne much creepier when playing with them on.
Playing Bloodborne with open headphones is the absolute best. As if the visuals weren't creepy enough, the audio is just as unnerving.

Hell, I saw an immediate improvement in sound quality when playing Binding of Isaac. Something simple like picking up a coin was enough to convince me that I had been missing out on this whole range of sound when I was using regular speakers.
 
Headphones I'd recommend, from high to low:

AKG K701/Q701
Philips Fidelio X1/X2
Audio Technica AD900x
Beyer Dynamics DT770
Superlux HD668B/HD681
Samson SR850

If you get high impedance headphones, I'd recommend a headphone amp and DAC combo unit. There are some affordable models like the Fiio E07K, E10, or E17: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=fiio+amp

I just got a pair of X2's, would you recommend an E17 as a good bang for your buck combo or is there something else I should pitch in for for extra performance?
 
Wow, you've got me doing a ton of research on the AD900x's now. Seriously considering buying.

i've been rocking the ad900x and a schiit stack for a few months now. great set with an amazing soundstage, but it might be a little harsh for some people. an amp is totally unnecessary for these, but i find that it gives a good amount of added clarity and damping regardless. open air headphones are definitely the way to go if your environment allows it.

the head rest 'wings' on the 900x are noticeably flimsier than the old 900s though, and don't always stay in place. you can fix that by feeding an elastic or hairband between them.

 
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