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hi-rez employee GOES OFF on suicidal twitch donator.

Sinatar said:
Expecting someone to continue living with extreme mental or physical anguish because you like them is selfish.

Every time I hear someone call suicide selfish I get completely irate. If someone is in a place where they feel death is their only out, they aren't being selfish, you expecting them to keep suffering for your sake are being selfish.
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My wife suffers from CPTSD. She has extreme cases of depression and anxiety. She's battled suicidal wants half her life now.

She considers suicide absolutely selfish as it would be picking herself over her 8 year old and 4 year old. Them having her here is more important than her pain. I'd love to "fix" my wife, but thankfully she knows suicide can be incredibly selfish.

Ending your own pain to cause others pain is darn near the definition of selfish. Mind explaining to my 4 year old why she should let mommy die?


OT, there's a place and a time guy. There's also a proper way of approaching it. Wow
 
I've literally never wanted to punch somebody more than this dumbass

I really want to say something else but I'm afraid it could be bannable. I always hated being banned.
 
Ah, depression. No one really understands what the fuck you're going through unless you have it yourself. They only look at the surface level.

"You're sad? Go get help!"

Sigh.

Also those who call sucidial people 'selfish' are often 'selfish' themselves, in a way. Just an observation on my part.

Also Brandon be a fucking moron. Representing HiRez like that. I laughed my ass off.
 
Man can't believe what a tool this guy is and majority of people in the YouTube comments in the video.

Look I get the fact that he was quite adamant that suicide is wrong and that it affects everyone you know and care about if you do it, but he was incredibly blunt and went about it the wrong way.

I had a similar situation however it wasn't so much depression, I was in between jobs after being made redundant and was more stressed than anything to get a new job, I was edgy and kind of angry and moping around a lot, but then I found Two Best Friends Play on YouTube at the time, and watching their videos actually made me feel at least happy and relaxed and made me laugh a lot, and I would always watch a video of theirs before an interview so I looked like the happiest guy in the world.

My mother also has depression, bipolar to be exact - one minute she would be the happiest person in the world - to the most angry or emotional person in a second, so the "self pity bullshit" line really makes me annoyed especially since I have experienced it first hand.

People handle not only depression, but stress, happiness and even anger differently and can get to that point in very different ways, I only hope that Brandon at least learns from this and attempts to be more understanding about other people and their situations as no two people are the same and someone with that kind of standing and reach to people really needs to tone it down.

But all in all he sounds like a dude bro jock so I guess "understanding" just isn't in his vocabulary.
 
shandy706 said:
My wife suffers from CPTSD. She has extreme cases of depression and anxiety. She's battled suicidal wants half her life now.

She considers suicide absolutely selfish as it would be picking herself over her 8 year old and 4 year old. Them having her here is more important than her pain. I'd love to "fix" my wife, but thankfully she knows suicide can be incredibly selfish.

Ending your own pain to cause others pain is darn near the definition of selfish. Mind explaining to my 4 year old why she should let mommy die?


OT, there's a place and a time guy. There's also a proper way of approaching it. Wow
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I might be reading this wrong but you can't seriously believe people who commit suicide are doing it to cause others pain on purpose?.
And sorry about your spouse, it's hard dealing with depression.
 
If you think suicide is selfish then you're actually incredibly ignorant.

Like, read a book, Google, and educate yourself on what it is that you're saying. Nearly all people who take their own lives are incapable of selfishness, they're only capable of thinking about how to escape hellish pain.

Please fucking drop it. Please. It doesn't help people who need help and it doesn't help you look like some paragon of moral integrity. It makes you look fucking ignorant.
 
GiantBreadbug said:
If you think suicide is selfish then you're actually incredibly ignorant.

Like, read a book, Google, and educate yourself on what it is that you're saying. Nearly all people who take their own lives are incapable of selfishness, they're only capable of thinking about how to escape hellish pain.

Please fucking drop it. Please. It doesn't help people who need help and it doesn't help you look like some paragon of moral integrity. It makes you look fucking ignorant.
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Pretty much
 
He's got a differing opinion, which is fine. The issue here is the complete lack of empathy towards the person that decided his content was worth something.
 
As somebody who has been suicidal (major depression + a weird medication change = bad combo), there is NOTHING selfish in the act. In fact, there are very few emotions involved, at least for me. It was the most complete apathy I have ever felt in my life.
 
Ive been through depression and while I agree with the sentiment that suicide is not the answer, at the same time he has to realize that even if someone tries very hard not to go through with it, at the end of the day our brains are chemically fragile and can be driven to suicide due to a small imbalance. He's blaming the victim. Depression is not "feeling sad" it's feeling trapped inside a jail cell the size of your own head. Attitudes like his are part of the reason some people don't seek help because they know they will be ostracized. It's not helpful.
 
Dude has a point... if you have loved ones, and you kill yourself, you are only thinking about your problems being over, not about their feelings

BUT wtf was that rant all over the place? Starting with you are an asshole? lol
 
People who are suicidal aren't purposely trying to kill themselves (as weird as that sounds) because they WANT to. It's just the end result of that spiral for so many people.

Hyperbole and a Half's comic on depression for further details. (If someone else could link it, that'd be great)

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Graffgor said:
As somebody who has been suicidal (major depression + a weird medication change = bad combo), there is NOTHING selfish in the act. In fact, there are very few emotions involved, at least for me. It was the most complete apathy I have ever felt in my life.
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Exactly. It's almost like feeling bored. Everything is just a schedule, robotic.
 
It's a shame that the donator's crutch to get them through that situation had to backfire in this way. I hope they didn't take this guy's ignorant and irresponsible rant too much to heart.
 
I know this sounds crass, but I will miss him. He was a great caster and I really don't care much what he says or does on his stream.
 
It's clear that a lot of people like the streamer guy just don't understand depression. A person can't just "get over it."

Depression isn't really a black or white issue. What about people who have been profoundly depressed and suicidal for years about things that cannot be fixed? Is it not selfish to force those people to keep living when they're miserable?

Bottome line, when someone tells you that they are or have been suicidal, you should approach that person with compassion and kindness. You don't know what they're going through, so calling them selfish is just ignorant.
 
Alexandre said:
Dude has a point... if you have loved ones, and you kill yourself, you are only thinking about your problems being over, not about their feelings

BUT wtf was that rant all over the place? Starting with you are an asshole? lol
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If a person was capable of coming to that conclusion. They wouldn't be suicidal.


It's chemical for a lot of people. Not just something to think happy thoughts about, and make them go away.

The thinking part is what isn't feeding back things that mean or feel. You'd be relying on that. It's your mind.
 
It's not fair for anybody who hasn't been seriously suicidal to comment on this. It's just not something that can be easily understood. It's not selfish act because people who commit suicide are not in their right mind to acknowledge such a thing. It's painful for them and the only thing on their mind is to end the pain. If you havent been through that feeling then DO NOT tell people to deal with it and stop being selfish. Suicide is the result of mental illness. It is not a calculated decision in which suicidal people run through the pros and cons.
 
I have had a friend tell me this as well, but he has been talking about it for long yet keeps fighting through his depression. We've had countless long discussions about it for years, and on some level I can agree with this streamer. He has an incredibly harsh tone but his point makes sense to me now.
 
shandy706 said:
My wife suffers from CPTSD. She has extreme cases of depression and anxiety. She's battled suicidal wants half her life now.

She considers suicide absolutely selfish as it would be picking herself over her 8 year old and 4 year old. Them having her here is more important than her pain. I'd love to "fix" my wife, but thankfully she knows suicide can be incredibly selfish.

Ending your own pain to cause others pain is darn near the definition of selfish. Mind explaining to my 4 year old why she should let mommy die?


OT, there's a place and a time guy. There's also a proper way of approaching it. Wow
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I think it's pretty clear that someone who has dependents (ie. children) committing suicide would be pretty selfish, but that's because it's straight up child neglect, which would be selfish in any situation, suicidal or not. If you became a parent, you signed an implicit contract to care for them. Your responsibility to your kids is priority #1. Your own needs are superseded by theirs.

But many people who argue that suicide is selfish are not even talking about people with dependents. They think anyone, even people who live entirely alone or are estranged from family, are selfish. It's an incredibly ignorant view. People should live for themselves, not just because someone else wants them around. I think it's selfish to demand someone continue being in a situation of deep suffering just because you yourself would feel hurt if they were gone.

And by this, I'm not saying "it's okay to kill yourself if you're in pain" it means, you need to go out there and find a reason to live for yourself. Living only for the sake of others is not healthy, and eventually all that suffering you're repressing will come out and become expressed by you in a very potentially harmful manner. Get help from a professional, find a hobby or thing you are passionate about - anything that can help you realize that life is worth living. Guilt should never be a motivation for living your life.
 
As someone who suffers PTSD, depression, and suicidal thoughts, there's almost no emotion to it and it has pure rationality in a twisted sort of way. It's the last stop, the nuclear option to all your issues when you don't see a solution that can help you. Sometimes you think of those you'll leave behind, but in those time you sometimes think they will move on or generally don't care about you. Sometimes those you leave behind are not even in your thoughts while these unpleasant things go through your head, other times you think this will benefit them as a whole, to pardon them of the great burden you placed on them for your existence.

That's my mindset during those times, and I have them linger for days.

Is it selfish? I dunno, honestly. I'm not thinking rationally in a social reality way when I'm like this, but in some sort of twisted logical rationality to it. I dunno, it's strange and I can't describe it.
 
This is usual behavior for dmbrandon. He's always been an asshole. Its actually appalling that it went on for this long and reached this point. He constantly berates his own viewers. Glad other people have taken notice. Hope to see his streams dead.
 
That was the strangest rant I've seen in awhile. He starts off with insults and tries to end with a nice life message. Not the way to go about it.
 
RiderKairuu said:
The sentiment he was trying to express has some hint of validity, but the timing and how he said it was completely inappropriate and insensitive. He came across as a serious asshole.
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This exactly. He had some good points, but his tone and some of what he said were just... wrong.
 
Valen said:
I think it's pretty clear that someone who has dependents (ie. children) committing suicide would be pretty selfish, but that's because it's straight up child neglect, which would be selfish in any situation, suicidal or not. If you became a parent, you signed an implicit contract to care for them. Your responsibility to your kids is priority #1. Your own needs are superseded by theirs.

But many people who argue that suicide is selfish are not even talking about people with dependents. They think anyone, even people who live entirely alone or are estranged from family, are selfish. It's an incredibly ignorant view. People should live for themselves, not just because someone else wants them around. I think it's selfish to demand someone continue being in a situation of deep suffering just because you yourself would feel hurt if they were gone.

And by this, I'm not saying "it's okay to kill yourself if you're in pain" it means, you need to go out there and find a reason to live for yourself. Living only for the sake of others is not healthy, and eventually all that suffering you're repressing will come out and become expressed by you in a very potentially harmful manner. Get help from a professional, find a hobby or thing you are passionate about - anything that can help you realize that life is worth living. Guilt should never be a motivation for living your life.
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Well said.

That video really rubbed me the wrong way, I genuinely felt terrible for the donator. I hope that he doesn't let that bullshit affect him, though I don't see how that's possible.
 
I cringed during that whole rant knowing the donator has cleary been unstable during certain points of his life I hope this rant didn't bring the donator back to the dark place he has already been before.
 
The guy gives you money and then more importantly opens up about how you're work helped him in a truly dark period of his life. Then you hold his nose down in that shit?

I won't articulate my thoughts on this quite so succinctly for fear of any banning beyond saying this guy is a fucking ass.

As someone who has been suicidal in the past this is something I feel very strongly about >_<
 
I got really confused. Then i got really angry.
What a scum, going down on someone who was thanking you for making a game that helped him, and then trying to defend yourself.
 
As someone who had to deal with depression and anxiety for years, suicide is not selfish. It is a natural response to extreme pain and victim blaming is not going to help one bit. In some cases it's near identical to terminal illness. The sooner we educate ourselves about suicide and mental health, the sooner we can fix this problem.

Anyways, yeah that Hirez dude shouldn't have said that.
 
Someone thanks him for helping them get through a very tough time and THAT is how he responds?

Please tell me the donator is ok.
 
Claude Augario said:
Bursting at the seams with copious amounts of himself.
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Since he clearly hasn't learned anything and instead doubles down on the ignorance, I hope the place he works at in the future will be aware of his lack of perspective and lack of empathy, so they can act accordingly instead of having him go all nuclear once more.
 
People who think suicidie is a s stupid selfish act have ZERO clue as to what depression is.

It is a mental disorder. We've got millions of years of evolution packign an incredible impetus and desire to NOT die. How can you possibly not understand that this is a serious malfunciton of brain chemistry?

It's like being mad at a cancer patient for dying.
 
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