beelzebozo
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okay, further:
in other words, by funding a school that promotes religious principles, the government endorses a religion, which it has consciously chosen not to do.
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okay, further:
in other words, by funding a school that promotes religious principles, the government endorses a religion, which it has consciously chosen not to do.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Definitions!!!!
Bolded part is relevant. It doesn't have to be a law.
So, you don't really have a point, do you?
I see you have missed the thread, here is some catch up material if you want to participate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause
graywolf323
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that's an entire debate unto itself
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I knew they enacted the Establishment Clause (albeit I believe they did so wrongly). I was simply pointing out that I think the court's decision doesn't hold any ground. And that this is petty.
They also used incorporation it seems. Interesting.
Yup. It sure is. I simply think it's dangerous to give the courts the sole power of deciding what is and what is not Constitutional. There, the Constitution isn't really the Law of the Land, it's more or less the courts who gain that power.
The Establishment Clause was meant (at least initially, before incorporation) to restrict Congress exclusively. Hence why Congress is the one specifically mentioned in it. States have their own state Constitutions to guide them for a reason.
RiccochetJ
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Why are you talking about Congress?
That Singer Guy...
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This was kinda petty but it is what it is.
RiccochetJ
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I would recommend you check out the links in the OP's post. There's a video there where she explicitly states why.
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I thought you were going to bed.
YOU LIE!!
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vas_a_morir
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This thread just EXPLODED, and yet I haven't seen it until just now.
While I think it would have been better if this banner had never been hung all those years ago, I don't see how it will cause anyone any real harm. I dunno, I guess I give teenagers more credit to make decisions on their own, because they're faced with attempts at coercing consumer action thousands of times a day, and they don't make thousands of consumer decisions a day.
We went through this in my high school almost a decade ago. The ACLU and the religious organizations battle it out, and the real losers are the students. We lost all our clubs that year, because they couldn't exclude one club that promoted gay rights, they got rid of all of them to spite 'the liberals.' That's what I see happening here... the Christians will see this as a concession, and one that they will demand concessions in exchange. When I was a student, I just wanted people to shut the fuck up and quit trying to decide what was best for me without giving me the option of deciding for myself. In my opinion, the school has no business of putting up pro-religious stuff. But, if a student wanted to, then so be it. It's how things worked in college, and it was a fair and harmonious place, comparably.
While I think it would have been better if this banner had never been hung all those years ago, I don't see how it will cause anyone any real harm. I dunno, I guess I give teenagers more credit to make decisions on their own, because they're faced with attempts at coercing consumer action thousands of times a day, and they don't make thousands of consumer decisions a day.
We went through this in my high school almost a decade ago. The ACLU and the religious organizations battle it out, and the real losers are the students. We lost all our clubs that year, because they couldn't exclude one club that promoted gay rights, they got rid of all of them to spite 'the liberals.' That's what I see happening here... the Christians will see this as a concession, and one that they will demand concessions in exchange. When I was a student, I just wanted people to shut the fuck up and quit trying to decide what was best for me without giving me the option of deciding for myself. In my opinion, the school has no business of putting up pro-religious stuff. But, if a student wanted to, then so be it. It's how things worked in college, and it was a fair and harmonious place, comparably.
Anyone ever notice when people make a big deal telling people they're done with a thread they're completely lying?
Weird, this is all over the internet and yet people keep doing it.
how dare you!
If this was a single happenstance at this school, how is it offensive? This is a question to the girl. Some religious attire found in schools and state/federal buildings represent traditional and/or historical artifacts for many people in this country. Yes many still allude to the religious context of these attires, but probably in many situations it remains a happenstance rather than a religious tool. I would have loved to have seen this situation and/or arguments take place personally between the school and the girl.
I personally do agree that it should have been removed or edited, this is coming from a Christian who doesn't feel the need to push my religious beliefs on others.
And for an off beat comment, I wish some people on GAF wouldn't be so negative towards religion or others that practice. OF course this is a two lane street.
I personally do agree that it should have been removed or edited, this is coming from a Christian who doesn't feel the need to push my religious beliefs on others.
And for an off beat comment, I wish some people on GAF wouldn't be so negative towards religion or others that practice. OF course this is a two lane street.
Mercury Fred
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Yeah, proper tyranny is from the majority.
That is no ones fault but the bigots.
Trent Strong
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If a public school put up an atheist anti-prayer banner in it's hall, then it would be tyranny of the minority.
Mortrialus
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And just whose fault do you think that is?
Laughing Banana
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On the surface I must admit this appears like using a double-barreled shotgun to shoot a cockroach, but nonetheless it doesn't change this one simple fact:
The sign is against the law.
The sign is against the law.
I like how a bunch of humorless people took your post seriously. Well played.
Why am I not surprised the girl is being threatened?
As of right now, two people appear to have taken the post seriously.
As for why, we've all seen far stupider things posted in these topics and they're usually not jokes.
As of right now, two people appear to have taken the post seriously.
As for why, we've all seen far stupider things posted in these topics and they're usually not jokes.
3 by my count. And yeah I understand that this is srs bsns. Still funny when joke posts are taken seriously.
One is just a '?', which can be interpreted as not taking the post seriously, so I only counted two.
The embarrassing thing here is that trolling so accurately mirrors actual dialogue.
Yeah, that post is so close to actual dialog that now I'm not sure it's a troll at all!
Works both ways though. Nothing makes me groan more than coming into one of these topics and reading "THE WORLD WOULD BE PERFECT IF THERE WAS NO RELIGION!". I can never tell if those people are serious either.
Freezie KO
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Wow. LaMeRz is coming off horribly.
No need to exclude GAF.
In this thread she's been accused of being petty, of being an attention whore, of being a mindless drone, of being a slut, of being an attention whore once again, of being that annoying girl in class archtype, of being butthurt (possibly only the friend that told her about it), of acting like an 18 year old know-it-all, of being an attention whore for a third time, of being a chronic complainer, of being petty again, of being an attention whore for a 4th time, of being stupid, as being just as disgusting as religious extremists, of being petty for a 3rd time, resentful and shoving her beliefs down people's throats, of being an annoying, complaining member of society in the future, of being a crybaby, of being an uptight priss, attention-seeking activist asshole and of being annoying and self-righteous.
Posters have asked for background info on the girl, wanted to ask what the fuck her problem is, told her not to go to school if she doesn't like it, accused her of forcing her views on others, accused of taking an idiotic action, of having no respect and being a pussy, along with trying to connect her atheism to being a vegetarian (the hell kind of schoolyard insult was this?).
Now considering how GAF is probably one of the most tolerant places you'll find for atheists, I can only imagine what she went through when the school decided to take her request to a public committee.
Freezie KO
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Bravo for outing some fools.
edit: I'll say the worst insult was ghostofsparta's bizarre and misogynistic claim that she'll be "pregnant in a year."
Well that's depressing. Poor showing GAF.
How dare they question this infraction of the constitution? They should make it unconstitutional to question infractions of the constitution. Problem solved.
I like the repeated attention whore/slut ones. Who knew GAF was full of guys so angry at women?
To be fair to GAF, there was quite a lot of support here as well. Unfortunately, with how toxic being an atheist is in society, I doubt there was much public support at her school.
Wow. That post is almost worth a thread of it's own.
I'm really glad I don't live in the US. I can't imagine getting shit for being an atheist.
Laughing Banana
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I feel honored that I am included in that list (not really)
I personally think that you're taking my archetype comment too seriously, though. Just relax a bit.
This has already been answered in the thread, but summed up it was a propaganda weapon for drumming up anti-Communist/atheist thinking during the cold war.
Mortrialus
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I told you guys this thread was mostly an embarrassment. Every single person linked here should feel ashamed of themselves for their idiocy and despicable behavior.
I agree that your post is worthy of a thread in an of itself.
We'll lighten up when you stop acting like a cretin. There is no excuse for that shit.
BronzeWolf
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This posts needs to be quoted a thousand times. What a fucking shame
Agreed, hence his new tag.
Owned. So hard.
Mortrialus
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*thumbs up*
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Can someone link me to her blog please?
Count Dookkake
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But they won't get them, because they aren't legally entitled to them.
This brave young woman was.
Great post.
I love the smell of facepalm the morning.
Oh, that is a good one.
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