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History repeats, as Android does to iPad what it did to iPhone
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Apple is doing better than android in more than a few countries. They are do better than them in pretty much every country that there is actually profit to be made by selling premium phones.
Browser share is not marketshare. Android is absolutely leading iOS in marketshare in WAY more countries than iOS is leading Android. They are right and you are wrong, the countries where iOS leads Android in marketshare are the minority. The U.S. being the outlier and biggest (possibly only) example.
CreepingFear
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It was obvious shit was going down when apple came out with the iPad Mini. Jobs always said a 7 or 8" tablet wasn't a good form factor, of course Job's said a lot of other shit over the years i.e. no one wants video on an ipod etc. I have the 3rd generation iPad, I love it but I don't owe Apple my loyalty if I can find a better Android tablet when I'm in the market for a new one. Both Apple and Android fanboys can kill each other for all I care, I just want both companies to be competitive and innovate.
Marty Chinn
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This would be more meaningful if Apple would ever let people select default apps and open up how apps talk to each other.
Browser share is not marketshare. Android is absolutely leading iOS in marketshare in WAY more countries than iOS is leading Android. They are right and you are wrong, the countries where iOS leads Android in marketshare are the minority. The U.S. being the outlier and biggest (possibly only) example.
Who are these numbers from. Because their USA number seems way off given what the carriers have told us about their android v iPhone sales. My guess is this is estimates which again compare channel shipments for android (since most of them don't announce sales) to actual sales from apple who does announce numbers.
Browser share is a much better analytic than analyst estimates of shipments.
It's the "PlayStation family/ecosystem" all over again
Angelus Errare
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Apple is doing better than android in more than a few countries. They are do better than them in pretty much every country that there is actually profit to be made by selling premium phones.
Damn, Korea really loves Android yo. Can't wait to see Windows Phone wreck stuff once it gets going 5 years later...
And app store profitability agrees with the browser share.
Kantar Worldpanel as always. And it doesnt matter which tracker you use. Go Google any worldwide tracking. Android absolutely leads in most countries by a margin so large that your spin of "shipments" cannot even dent it.
And no, browser share is not a more accurate way to track marketshare than actual trackers. That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. C'mon now, you were wrong, you didn't look it up before making that claim and thats why you have no actual real marketshare data to back up your claim. Own up to it and move on.
Not sure why there is even need for that kind of spin. Apple isn't going anywhere. All this new info shows is that Android is healthy and still growing, and thats old news to everyone following the market.
freenudemacusers
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Is Apple beleaguered again yet? I want to know if I need to put the stickers on my car.
Definitely getting better as of about the last year. Still plenty of room for improvement.
Chinpoko_Master
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I love this post.
Apple continues to make untold billions with the highest profit margins in the industry while everyone else murders themselves over scraps (in terms of overall profits in the market). I don't own a single Apple product but that's the reality.
I don't think I am wrong. Their USA numbers are wrong given the ACTUAL sales numbers given by the carriers. If their USA numbers are wrong in androids favor (and the USA is the easiest to track), why would I trust their world wide sales numbers which are even more speculative? Browser share is an actual metric of people using specific operating systems. It is raw data of usage, not speculation like the numbers you are quoting. On what planet are analyst estimates better than actual raw usage data?
Ninja Scooter
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If it was vastly prevailing in every OS wars thread it should be easy to find.
Chinpoko_Master
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So if history is repeating itself, does that mean Windows 8 tablets are just as irrelevant as Windows Phones?
It's still pretty bad.
You Are Viewtiful
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MS needs to start marketing the Surface better. I still need to get one
Uhhh it is advertised enough. That's the least of its worries.
Are you high? Usage data from browser share is in no way close to being an accurate measure for marketshare....
Why am I bringing the actual data to you... You are the one making the completely baseless claim in the face of actual concrete data. If you want to have this discussion, I emplore you to stop posting charts from blogs and go to the trackers sources, even the one the photo you posted is based on.
Start here: http://gs.statcounter.com/ and grab your precious browser share if you must. Go country by country and bring data supporting your position back.
Then after that go an pull the last few years of Comscore and Kantar data from worldwide marketshare (and any other worldwide trackers you can find) to support your position. Then we can talk. I'm not going to waste my energy in this conversation when you are making up figures based on your feelings.
Windows tablets have increased by an incalculable percentage of sales year over year!
Ninja Scooter
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You mean the ads showing young people breakdancing to the snapping sound of their tablets connecting to a keyboard aren't effective?
Wiktor
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Lol..100$? They're selling 50$ Android tablets already
Android is winning™
Which doesn't really matter to manufacturing companies.
I don't see how smartphone sales tracker are a good proxy for mobile OS penetration, since smartphone trackers don't include tablet and non-tablet devices (like iPods Touch).
Microsoft sales are only Surface sales, but Samsung and Asus sales include Windows tablets.
Lol. Why do you think Apple had the most apps?
You mean people saying the whole "There is no tablet market only an iPad market?" thing, and MEANING it?
Yeah, it is easy to find.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30218137
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451064
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452957&page=3
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428370
No shortage of that sentiment. And it pops up a lot in the OT's too.
Seriously though, what a strange example to use. Smartphone apps for Android have gotten WAY better than they were back when Android was a crappy upstart. There is damn near parity everywhere except for games. Especially for the apps that actually matter. If his intent was to land a zinger, that wasn't a good way to go about it.
"Ha! And the apps will be bad at first and get substantially better over the next few years up until the point of nigh parity! Take that!"
Ninja Scooter
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And at the time, that was very true. Do you see people saying that Apple will ALWAYS dominate the tablet market? And if so, are those people now posting that marketshare doesn't matter?
FTFY
Apparently it wasn't. Immediately after, and during some of those threads Android tablets started their marketshare rise actually. In any case Im not really interested in arguing the details, I have no idea whether or not people were claiming (on GAF anyway) that Android tablets wouldnt ever sell. Those are exactly the kinds of posts I tend to ignore; but I definitely recall the "There is no tablet market" stuff. It was very alive and well here on GAF. At the moment its unimportant. Turns out there was a market for them. /shrug Didn't bother me then, doesn't bother me now. Again, I only care that the OS I currently like most is healthy and growing. Everything else is for the birds.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not changing any hurdles. I didn't ask you to show me anything. You jumped in the middle of a response I made to another poster and apparently didn't read what was said.
Ninja Scooter
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And where is the post of him now saying marketshare doesn't matter? I was challenging the point of making those dumb, blanket "Apple fanboys used to say this and now they say that" statements that add nothing to the discussion.
Synth_floyd
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Didn't Windows do this to Mac in the 80s and 90s as well? It seems like Apple always innovates and creates a new category of hardware/software but keeps it as a closed system only available to themselves. Then another company copies the essential elements of whatever Apple created, makes it cheaper and available to a variety of manufacturers and eventually when feature parity is established, the non-Apple product crowds out Apple due to more models and a lower price. Can't believe they let it happen again. But this time Apple is still wildly profitable.
Then you should have selectively quoted him rather than quoting the entire post and claiming that he pulled it all out of his ass.
because he was absolutely right about this part where he said people said there was no tablet market. I remembered that part clearly, and I specified as much when I replied to you. I put it right above the links.
In any case calm down.
Hey, I was responding to your first question. One at a time sunshine.
You don't want to oven that runs ICS breh?
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/dacor-android-oven-hands-on/
Root that bitch. Get some custom wallpapers and key tones.
freenudemacusers
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I want this one stricken from the record as it suggests windows tablets would be the instigator in apple's sliding dominance.
lol why do people get so snippy over which tablet or telephone or video game console is the best or selling the most? It just seems so petty to me. Some great examples already showing up in this thread.
Is it because most people can only afford to pick one horse in the race, and want to feel like they made the right choice? It's like sports rivalries for tech nerds, or something.
Is it because most people can only afford to pick one horse in the race, and want to feel like they made the right choice? It's like sports rivalries for tech nerds, or something.
Phat Michael
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believe me, apple care about loss of market share.
LOL, fair enough. It was just the first example I found.
LOL, he was technically true though. iPad shipments went below 50% after Windows 8 came out, just like he said. Probably not what he meant, though.
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