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Hmmm...Has Sony showed how BC works on PS3 ?

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ourumov

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Hmmm...Has Sony shown how BC works on PS3 ?
I have seen the Phil Harrison demo of the photos presentation...but nothing more. I am kinda curious to see how PS2/PS1 games look and what kind of options do they offer to us (like PS2 fast loading/texture filtering when playing PS1 titles).
I understand this is a thing that will be available at launch...

Enlight me if I am wrong.
 
They've shown nothing to my knowledge. It is curious, though, being that we are ~6 weeks away from launch and as yet there's little in the way of specifics outside of the console's pricing. Accessories, BC, etc.
 
Odysseus said:
They've shown nothing to my knowledge. It is curious, though, being that we are ~6 weeks away from launch and as yet there's little in the way of specifics outside of the console's pricing. Accessories, BC, etc.
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If BC is hardware based, then there's little or nothing to worry about and if Sony's smart, they'll concentrate on showing new games. I'm surprised they haven't used BC as an attack dog like they have with 1080p though.

And they haven't announced retail prices for accessories because no matter how cheap, it's $600 + that amount. And it's not something they want us to think about a lot.
 
Odysseus said:
They've shown nothing to my knowledge. It is curious, though, being that we are ~6 weeks away from launch and as yet there's little in the way of specifics outside of the console's pricing. Accessories, BC, etc.
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It seems both Nintendo and Sony haven't shown everything yet. I guess they're trying to one up each other at the last moment.
 
I am really worried BC only works when downloading content to your PS3...It's highly unlikely as I suppose that playing titles from the BR drive will also allow you to enjoy your old games but well...
 
ourumov said:
I am really worried BC only works when downloading content to your PS3...It's highly unlikely as I suppose that playing titles from the BR drive will also allow you to enjoy your old games but well...
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I'm pretty sure the PS3 will be able to read DVDs and CDs. Pictures of it did have labels on the side indicating it or at least I think it did.
 
Stinkles said:
If BC is hardware based, then there's little or nothing to worry about and if Sony's smart, they'll concentrate on showing new games. I'm surprised they haven't used BC as an attack dog like they have with 1080p though.

And they haven't announced retail prices for accessories because no matter how cheap, it's $600 + that amount. And it's not something they want us to think about a lot.
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There was a story going around that they were going to include the PS2 architecture at first, and then exclude that later as emulation got better. I'm not sure of the source or accuracy of that information, however. It'd be nice to hear more on it, though.

Then again, Microsoft didn't really say much until the days leading up to launch. The thing is, we weren't exactly expecting much out of them, either. The popular theory was it would be Halo 1 + 2 and maybe a handful of other games at first.
 
Not even CELL can emulate the perspective-incorrect polygons and "pixels as big as your head" that PSone gave us.
 
We didn't know a thing about Texture Smoothing or Disc Speed PSone options in the months and weeks leading up to the PS2 release, it just showed up on the Japanese launch PS2s.
 
Benadryl Hitman said:
I'm pretty sure the PS3 will be able to read DVDs and CDs. Pictures of it did have labels on the side indicating it or at least I think it did.
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media


PS3 cannot read DVDs.
 
Benadryl Hitman said:
What the... did I miss something? The offical PS3 page says DVD 8x and CD 24x read, BD/DVD/CD drive.
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'Twas a joke based on a comment. I think.... Hope, really. I hope.
 
Benadryl Hitman said:
What the... did I miss something? The offical PS3 page says DVD 8x and CD 24x read, BD/DVD/CD drive.
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He linked to some 1up guy so its probably some comment one of them made. But it does read DVD's

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Odysseus said:
There was a story going around that they were going to include the PS2 architecture at first, and then exclude that later as emulation got better. I'm not sure of the source or accuracy of that information, however. It'd be nice to hear more on it, though.

Then again, Microsoft didn't really say much until the days leading up to launch. The thing is, we weren't exactly expecting much out of them, either. The popular theory was it would be Halo 1 + 2 and maybe a handful of other games at first.
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what a difference a year makes

Xbox 360 BC FTL

F.T.L

:-(
 
Tek said:
what a difference a year makes

Xbox 360 BC FTL

F.T.L

:-(
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Sure, but MS is in a tight spot. They need people to program emulators to get these games to work. What they should have done is just made a full XBox Emultor and put it on the HD.
 
Benadryl Hitman said:
What the... did I miss something? The offical PS3 page says DVD 8x and CD 24x read, BD/DVD/CD drive.
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PS3 can absolutely read DVDs. Garnett just made a (notable) gaffe in saying that blu-ray can't read DVDs. It's kind of entered GAF (lol pun) lore.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
PS3 can absolutely read DVDs. Garnett just made a (notable) gaffe in saying that blu-ray can't read DVDs. It's kind of entered GAF (lol pun) lore.
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You scared me for a second, I thought Ken Kutaragi had decided to be cheap and not use red laser diodes to cut corners\save money or something like that and missed the news. I was thinking my years of purchasing PS1 and PS2 games had gone to waste. Legend of the Dragoon, I was planning to finish you after trying to get through the game over like 5 years, noooo!
 
Mojovonio said:
Sure, but MS is in a tight spot. They need people to program emulators to get these games to work. What they should have done is just made a full XBox Emultor and put it on the HD.
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Emulating a Pentium 3 and whatever Nvidia GPU is in there isn't very easy though. For absolute perfect emulation, they would probably need a processor that operates at 5-10x the frequency of the P3. In Sony's case, since they are including the original PS2 hardware, it isn't an issue, and PS1 hardware is so weak and simple that software emulation is easy. I doubt Sony will ever get perfect PS2 emulation from the Cell and RSX hardware.
 
Benadryl Hitman said:
You scared me for a second, I thought Ken Kutaragi had decided to be cheap and not use red laser diodes to cut corners\save money or something like that and missed the news. I was thinking my years of purchasing PS1 and PS2 games had gone to waste. Legend of the Dragoon, I was planning to finish you after trying to get through the game over like 5 years, noooo!
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WE 10 has to be played on a PS3 for near 1 year...Not so retro but well...
 
flammie said:
Emulating a Pentium 3 and whatever Nvidia GPU is in there isn't very easy though. For absolute perfect emulation, they would probably need a processor that operates at 5-10x the frequency of the P3. In Sony's case, since they are including the original PS2 hardware, it isn't an issue, and PS1 hardware is so weak and simple that software emulation is easy. I doubt Sony will ever get perfect PS2 emulation from the Cell and RSX hardware.
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Exactly. The MOST they could have done was make a full Xbox emulator, which the can't and they can't include the original Xbox hardware because of Nvidia.

So they're in a tight spot where they have to decide between programming individual emulators for games most people won't play or get those programmers to work on Vista and/or other projects.

I sympathize with them and look at BC as a privilege, not as a right.
 
Stinkles said:
If BC is hardware based, then there's little or nothing to worry about and if Sony's smart, they'll concentrate on showing new games. I'm surprised they haven't used BC as an attack dog like they have with 1080p though.

And they haven't announced retail prices for accessories because no matter how cheap, it's $600 + that amount. And it's not something they want us to think about a lot.
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I thought after the HDMI announcement people would stop using the 600$ dollar price for the premium package as an way to make PS3 look expensive and have the decency to acknowledge that there's a 500$ version. I thought wrong...
 
fortified_concept said:
I thought after the HDMI announcement people would stop using the 600$ dollar price for the premium package as an way to make PS3 look expensive and have the decency to acknowledge that there's a 500$ version. I thought wrong...
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old habits die hard.
 
fortified_concept said:
I thought after the HDMI announcement people would stop using the 600$ dollar price for the premium package as an way to make PS3 look expensive and have the decency to acknowledge that there's a 500$ version. I thought wrong...
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what the ****, man. WFT.
 
fortified_concept said:
I thought after the HDMI announcement people would stop using the 600$ dollar price for the premium package as an way to make PS3 look expensive and have the decency to acknowledge that there's a 500$ version. I thought wrong...
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Don't spaz man.

I picked the most expensive one because my theory is that Sony thinks the expensive one seems expensive. Get a grip.

And what in the name of sweet jumping christ are you using the word "decency" for? Drama much?
 
all Fortified meant to say was that since HDMI is standard now, we can just use the regualr package as the pricing and I agree.
 
Stinkles said:
Don't spaz man.

I picked the most expensive one because my theory is that Sony thinks the expensive one seems expensive. Get a grip.

And what in the name of sweet jumping christ are you using the word "decency" for? Drama much?
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But since the expensive one is not the basic one I don't think there's a problem... And since the demand will probably be higher for the 500$ version and Sony wil be forced to ship more 500$ ones (like they said they would do if the demands is higher for the 500$ version) people will use its price as the default. It's not like the X360 situation where 400$ is considered the default price.
 
Mojovonio said:
all Fortified meant to say was that since HDMI is standard now, we can just use the regualr package as the pricing and I agree.
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Not when the argument you're making is how a worst case scenario sales receipt would look.

I would have made the same argument for the 360. It wasn't supposed to be a diss. Just a possible reason. It's not like 360 peripherals are cheap either.

WHERE OH WHERE IS THE DECENCY!!!????????


It's not like the X360 situation where 400$ is considered the default price...
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Oh for ****'s sake. Isn't that the opposite of your outrage from above?
 
fortified_concept said:
But since the expensive one is not the basic one I don't think there's a problem... And since the demand will be higher for the 500$ version nad Sony wil be forced to ship more 500$ ones (like they said they would do if the demands is higher for the 500$ version) people will use its price as the default. It's not like the X360 situation where 400$ is considered the default price...
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to be fair, when we talk about the 360 price, we tend to use the premium pricing.
 
flammie said:
Emulating a Pentium 3 and whatever Nvidia GPU is in there isn't very easy though. For absolute perfect emulation, they would probably need a processor that operates at 5-10x the frequency of the P3. In Sony's case, since they are including the original PS2 hardware, it isn't an issue, and PS1 hardware is so weak and simple that software emulation is easy. I doubt Sony will ever get perfect PS2 emulation from the Cell and RSX hardware.
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The Slim PS2 emulates the PSone solely through software.
 
Stinkles said:
Not when the argument you're making is how a worst case scenario sales receipt would look.

I would have made the same argument for the 360. It wasn't supposed to be a diss. Just a possible reason. It's not like 360 peripherals are cheap either.
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Ok, I understand now. I wasn't clear on your post.

Please don't hurt me.
 
Mojovonio said:
to be fair, when we talk about the 360 price, we tend to use the premium pricing.
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Yeah I mentioned that on the last sentence of my post. Differense is the X360 core pack is trully a tard pack and noone buys it. On the other hand the closest thing to "tard pack" "for PS3 is the 600$ version.
 
lollerskates said:
why wouldnt you use the premium pricing? the ratio is like 80/20
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...on launch. and Sony has already mentioned that they'll change their shipping ratio if there's more demand for the 500$ one now that the HDMI is added.
 
killermmn said:
no dts hd master audio!!
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Crap just noticed that.

However, honestly, the SA-CD support is a bigger selling point to me than Blu-Ray. There are a lot of SA-CD discs I want actually.
 
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