John Bilbo
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Flamethrower. Or maybe nuke them from the orbit.
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Hollow Knight: Silksong |OT| It’s SHAW-time!!!!
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DelireMan7
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A region with the worst flying enemies you don't want to go.
Putrified ducts, you can access via Memorium (well hidden entrance that requires double jump I think)
Timberwolf25
Member
I found that you either need to bait them to a place where you can attack from under them like a small platform or use your tools which I try not to use on regular enemies. I just unlocked the Cogfly tool, but that was after that room. I think that would've really useful there as it tracks everything. I got another tool that also applies poison along with regular damage for a DOT effect.
Timberwolf25
Member
It's a wearable tool in an area directly above bilewater called the Wreath of Purity. From the discription, you're not completely immune as it is breakable, but it allows you to take dunks in the bilewater without applying that maggot effect immediately. It can be reparied at a bench if broken.
I still haven't finished bilewater, but will probably tackle that next.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
yeah cogfly is great. I save all tools for boss phase 3
Timberwolf25
Member
I just got a new crest yesterday that lets me make more tools without the bench.
It's not great for platforming, but it could be useful for bosses since I don't have to worry about running out of tools as long as I have shards
LavitzSlambert
Member
I'm out of markers for the map - I have gold, silver, and red. Are there more or do I need to start backtracking to free some up? I'm in The Citadel, so it might not be worth it to go all the way back and leave.
DelireMan7
Member
At one point you will be able to buy more.
Also there is a station in the citadel (which I took a very long time to find) so you can easily go back to previous area.
Really finding the bosses a disappointment in this one. I die more in the ambush rooms because you have no idea what is coming the first few times.
Really wish I'd gone back to the wormways and got that ability much earlier.
The Forge Brothers and the Cogwork Dancers have been the most interesting but the Dancers are ridiculously easy if you stand in a corner.
Really wish I'd gone back to the wormways and got that ability much earlier.
Timberwolf25
Member
I just found the mapmaker again in Bellhart in the upper right of the town. He was selling 2 additional markers to the gold, silver and red; black and bronze markers.
I didn't really have an additional need for more markers since once I complete an objective or get everything I want from a location I remover them, but I had the excess rosaries and they are easy to farm now.
I've never even used just 1 of all my markers, but I really should mark by what's there. I've just been using the same markers for everything.
Going to tackle Bilewater next, but looking at my maps, I have a lot of stuff to do and I'm 60+ hours in. A lot of those hours are just failing a ton of jumping puzzles to get good stuff though. I think I got all the traversal abilities.
Timberwolf25
Member
What's the ability in wormway? I haven't explored that area yet.
BlueManifest
Member
This makes me really wish valves new headset was out right now
A dash that lets you fly through enemies. But I could only get there because I had a different ability from the citadel.
John Bilbo
Gold Member
Is that behind the door you need double jump to reach?
Do you attain double jump in the citadel?
BlueManifest
Member
Just did this last night, very many attempts, ouch, anyone else do this yet
I don't know what words to say about it, I guess it takes a lot of mental stamina maybe is a good way to say it?
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I got up there without a double jump. I used a running jump and a different ability.
Cyborg
Member
I can guarantee if you look at the map you think you hve been to most places. But so much secret areas that only appear when you find them.
Hot5pur
Banned
I really gave this game a good shot.
I like the aesthetics and the gameplay, the exploration and discovery is fun.
But the game feels like it's constantly telling me "why are you wasting your time with this, go play something that respects your time".
Bosses + random adds on a small screen = randomness = cheap way to do difficulty
Long runbacks
Meaningless health/damage upgrades
Tools that require grinding to recharge (like Sekiro)
Lack of benches / limited fast travel points
Sadistic stretches of long stretches of platforming with double damage on regular enemies (what's the point of getting health upgrades??)
I've never shied away from a hard game, certainly not a souls like, but this game is just not it.
I can see how many people would want to wear it as a badge of honor, but there are just better designed games out there with better difficulty curves.
Putting an easy mode into this game would be trivial. But perhaps the developers are too high on their own supply, or they spent 7 years making a game and got so good at it they don't even realize what they created.
Please send me your empathy and 'get gud' emojis.
PS. I almost got all the songs but got to this one room in the citadel. Game just went from 1 to 100.
I like the aesthetics and the gameplay, the exploration and discovery is fun.
But the game feels like it's constantly telling me "why are you wasting your time with this, go play something that respects your time".
Bosses + random adds on a small screen = randomness = cheap way to do difficulty
Long runbacks
Meaningless health/damage upgrades
Tools that require grinding to recharge (like Sekiro)
Lack of benches / limited fast travel points
Sadistic stretches of long stretches of platforming with double damage on regular enemies (what's the point of getting health upgrades??)
I've never shied away from a hard game, certainly not a souls like, but this game is just not it.
I can see how many people would want to wear it as a badge of honor, but there are just better designed games out there with better difficulty curves.
Putting an easy mode into this game would be trivial. But perhaps the developers are too high on their own supply, or they spent 7 years making a game and got so good at it they don't even realize what they created.
Please send me your empathy and 'get gud' emojis.
PS. I almost got all the songs but got to this one room in the citadel. Game just went from 1 to 100.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I always do this in games I get so absent minded. I don't know if it's still lingering neurological issues I've been dealing with but I'll just be much more forgetful short term lately. It affects me in games. I've been playing half the game and didn't use tools or change my crest because I just forgot to do so. Man that would've helped in some boss fights.
Jsisto
Member
Gonna give Bilewater another go. Despite all the hate i've seen, i've mostly enjoyed Sinners Road, Bilewater and Mists. I love the consistent theme of water being dangerous and the sense of dread and having to be more aware of your surroundings. While all have been challenging, they haven't been infuriatingly so. I reserve the right to change my mind when I get to the supposedly ridiculous boss fight.
Pimpollo818
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I've lost 700 rosaries in Sinner's road. The effort I put into 4 maps went to waste. The thought that my Dualshock and monitor are very expensive helped me stay calm. Ten minutes later, I just kept playing as if nothing had happened. I don't know why I enjoy these kinds of games.
John Bilbo
Gold Member
It was a test for sure. A test of my stubbornness. Turns out I'm pretty, pretty, pretty stubborn.
That room is a progress check. You can get NPCs to help you if you progressed enough in other areas, also get several additional masks, hit harder, lots of useful tools etc... You are not supposed to beat that room early on in Act 2, but very late into it.
I just think they should have hid it further so that not so many people would think it's bullshit while it's just an overall progression check.
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John Bilbo
Gold Member
Hehe. I beat it solo.
Good job
I like how the game allows you to do that precisely, like being super stubborn and overcome adversity anyway ! So far, the game is not as hard as people make it.Every boss had a trick to be beaten, like I read that Moorwing was considered as tough, while I beat him on second try. Just going under him makes you untouchable, then you hammer him with up + attack. And so far almost all bosses have been cruel, but fair IMO. Even the boss runs can be cheesed and there isn't one that took me more than a minute of my time so far.
Only bullshit is how so many light contacts make you loose 2 masks (pitfalls, touching a boss, etc.).
Very happy with the game, GOTY material.
John Bilbo
Gold Member
Personally I'm conflicted with the game. When the game clicks like it did in that mob room in the High Halls it's great. You get into the zone and you have to use all of your abilities to your best knowledge to survive and overcome the challenge. The game forces you to meditate and become one with the game to triumph.Good job
Every boss had a trick to be beaten, like I read that Moorwing was considered as tough, while I beat him on second try. Just going under him makes you untouchable, then you hammer him with up + attack. And so far almost all bosses have been cruel, but fair IMO. Even the boss runs can be cheesed and there isn't one that took me more than a minute of my time so far.
Only bullshit is how so many light contacts make you loose 2 masks (pitfalls, touching a boss, etc.).
Very happy with the game, GOTY material.
But then that's not the game. The game is also all this other stuff with exploration and NPCs and sidequests and everything else that lulls you into sleep and it's a beautiful dream but it causes you to forget most of the mechanics until you hit another mob room like wall and you get frustrated and you have to re-learn the mechanics. And you wake up and you either give up or beat your head against the wall and get into the fucking zone to overcome the challenge.
This game is the polar opposites of itself and I'm conflicted if that was a good idea. I don't know. We'll see. It's a puzzler for sure. It's a huge game and maybe it's two games wrapped in one package.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The Moorwing as an early boss feels very cheap, one of my most frustrating experiences, I died only because he went out of sight and I couldn't foresee his attacks.
Beat the Broodmother and Beastfly 2.0 last night. Though hard due to the arenas, those were fair fights. My only grip: the 2-mask damage on contact is very punishing in this kind of bosses. Sometimes I was managing the combat very well, but too often I hit the minion just to bounce off and hit the fucking boss, losing 3 masks at once.
IMO side quests are great because they make explotarion much more entertaining.
Beat the Broodmother and Beastfly 2.0 last night. Though hard due to the arenas, those were fair fights. My only grip: the 2-mask damage on contact is very punishing in this kind of bosses. Sometimes I was managing the combat very well, but too often I hit the minion just to bounce off and hit the fucking boss, losing 3 masks at once.
IMO side quests are great because they make explotarion much more entertaining.
John Bilbo
Gold Member
Phantom was a nice boss. Very chill once you got into the groove. Nice reward as well.
T-Cake
Member
Oh yes, I used "it" all the time. But that's assuming you're talking about the throwing weapon mini game that I am referring to.
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I got a 3rd pouch upgrade. Then it seemed to be money, any more prizes?Oh yes, I used "it" all the time. But that's assuming you're talking about the throwing weapon mini game that I am referring to.
Timberwolf25
Member
I'm at 70 hrs with a lot yet to explore
T-Cake
Member
No but there's a different throwing mini game later on.
cool. I found a boss that it saves me outside of it, not at the bench a few screens away making all of my tools and tool upgrades worthless..... which is nice.
3 different bosses to try until I go back to the story.
TransTrender
Gold Member
I think I thoroughly scrubbed everything before finishing Act 1
Except for the Last Judge. Only did one attempt.
I'm not sure where the difficulty complaints are coming from. Thus far nothing crazy. Sure, I lost my first bunch of Rosaries at the Sinners Road, and The Mist was a pain but nothing rage inducing.
Except for the Last Judge. Only did one attempt.
I'm not sure where the difficulty complaints are coming from. Thus far nothing crazy. Sure, I lost my first bunch of Rosaries at the Sinners Road, and The Mist was a pain but nothing rage inducing.
kevboard
Member
I don't get it either, it's really not that hard, nor are the run backs excessively long, and I'm well into Act 2 (progressing slowly because of my urge to look everywhere for newly accessible areas the moment I get a new ability).
John Bilbo
Gold Member
Mt. Fay was easy! And made me want to play Celeste again.
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Timberwolf25
Member
lol, that shit took me 2 days of trying.
Granted I play a lot with distractions, but still took me a long time
John Bilbo
Gold Member
Some of the boss fights / mob rooms have taken me three days of trying
The climbing was more easy for me as it didn't have any random elements like the different kinds of mobs in let's say Savage Beastfly.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Some of the boss fights / mob rooms have taken me three days of trying
The climbing was more easy for me as it didn't have any random elements like the different kinds of mobs in let's say Savage Beastfly.
Mount Fey was both easier and harder than I thought it was going to be. Getting to the first bench was a pain, and then finding the second one. It was a lot shorter than I expected though. The reward for making it to the top was worth it though, backtracking is so much more pleasant.
Timberwolf25
Member
So I just beat the Savage Beastfly in about 12-13 attempts, but that mountain took me 2 days...lolSome of the boss fights / mob rooms have taken me three days of trying
The climbing was more easy for me as it didn't have any random elements like the different kinds of mobs in let's say Savage Beastfly.
This game challenges you in so many ways.
Aldric
Member
The platforming was really good in Silksong. There's at least four sections with demanding platforming including three mandatory ones and they're all pretty fun and balanced, with good bench placements and the appropriate length. Even the optional one
was much more reasonable than the path of pain.
the climb to the surface on top of the destroyed cradle