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Holy hell, Marijuana withdrawal is a bitch.
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GrizzleBoy
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Hmm really?
If you mixed with tobacco and just up and quit all smoking, then you will be craving the nicotine.
Actually craving weed has never been a thing afaik.
If you mixed with tobacco and just up and quit all smoking, then you will be craving the nicotine.
Actually craving weed has never been a thing afaik.
Tesseract
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quit the nicotine, and you'll get addicting to somewhat else
I actually stopped smoking weed about a week ago, been a regular user for about seven years now. I know I'm not addicted though, also I know I'm not really stopping, it's on a temporary hold to see what life is like without it.
Nothing changed really, but that's just a personal experience, for others it may differ. No withdrawal symptoms either.
Now if I'd have to stop nicotine, it's a slightly bigger problem. Stop drinking coffee and my life is over.
Nothing changed really, but that's just a personal experience, for others it may differ. No withdrawal symptoms either.
Now if I'd have to stop nicotine, it's a slightly bigger problem. Stop drinking coffee and my life is over.
PeskyToaster
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Another nail in the coffin for the weed agenda. Shut it down.
Only dumb ones.
shaowebb
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Grimløck;170140730 said:
Because technically once the brain adjusts to tobacco it never really goes back to the way it was. You can quit, but its why if you even hit one you lose it instead of having to readdict yourself. Its why folks always say that first one you've had in a longtime is always so good. You never completely readjust out of the need. It lessens, but its never gone afterwards. You just have to develop new habits and live with it.
1.21Gigawatts
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There are two types of addiction. Substance based addiction(for example nicotin addiction) and psychological addiction(for example the addiction to hold a cig and go outside to have a few min break and smoke it)
You can develop psychological addictions to basically everything.
Cannabis or THC is not an addictive substance, but you can get addicted to beeing high.
The good thing is that psychological addictions are usually way easier to overcome than substance based addictions.
Its still not easy.
Whoever tells you that marijuana has no addictive potential is lying.
Saying marijuana is addictive is misleading. Marijuana is addicting like videogames, Big Macs, smartphones and Oreos are. People that have addictive personalities will be "hooked" on weed like they would have been anything else. If you're hopelessly "addicted" to weed then the problem lies in the person and not the substance.
Marijuana withdrawal day 1-3 "... fuck I'm out, wish I had some fuck"
Marijuana withdrawal day 4-indefinite "oh well"
Marijuana withdrawal day 1-3 "... fuck I'm out, wish I had some fuck"
Marijuana withdrawal day 4-indefinite "oh well"
Kar
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I smoked weed with friends like half a year and then I decided that I dont feel like smoking anymore and that was it. Im "clean" for the past 4 months and I dont even miss it. I smoke cigarettes though.
If some doctor would tell me "You cant smoke ween anymore for the rest of your life" I wouldnt care much. It was nice, but I prefer being as sharp as I can be at all times.
Thats why I also dont drink alcohol at all. Last time I had a beer (or any other kind of alcohol) was like 6 years ago.
I think having an alcoholic father kinda ruined all that for me.
If some doctor would tell me "You cant smoke ween anymore for the rest of your life" I wouldnt care much. It was nice, but I prefer being as sharp as I can be at all times.
Thats why I also dont drink alcohol at all. Last time I had a beer (or any other kind of alcohol) was like 6 years ago.
I think having an alcoholic father kinda ruined all that for me.
SOME-MIST
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I had an iffy time for a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure if that's cause of weed or cigs since I quit both at the same time - after being an every day smoker 4-5 years ago.
You just really have to want to quit... which sounds dumb, but someone bet me that I couldn't do it... and I get competitive/wanted to prove em wrong haha
Maybe set yourself a goal? Buy something you've always wanted with the money you're saving from not smoking.
You just really have to want to quit... which sounds dumb, but someone bet me that I couldn't do it... and I get competitive/wanted to prove em wrong haha
Maybe set yourself a goal? Buy something you've always wanted with the money you're saving from not smoking.
moltonasty
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AFAIK weed doesn't have physical withdrawals...it's purely mental. In this case, just keep yourself busy and avoid friends who smoke for a while. Not that serious. Though I can't imagine why anyone would want to quit. I toke up daily and still manage to keep a full time office job, girlfriend, and stay productive with other interests throughout the week. I think if I didn't have MJ the stress of daily life would affect me a lot more.
HyperCubed4
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I have a tendency to get irritable if I don't smoke pot for a few days. The boredom can get pretty intense. Try to occupy your time with something else. TV shows/movies, video games, books, exercise, shopping, etc. Anything. Get away from the place(s) where you'd normally get high. Or go somewhere where you physically can't (restaurant, mall, etc.). Just try to focus on anything else.
I hate comments like these. Not just on GAF, just in general. "Oh, you're having a hard time? Well, I've had a worse time." Glad to hear you got through that. Do you want an award for having a worse time than someone else? Listening to people trying to one-up someone else is fucking aggravating. "You only got 2 hours of sleep? Talk to me when you've been awake for 72 hours and a velociraptor breaks into your house and tries to eat the family dog." Christ.
I hate comments like these. Not just on GAF, just in general. "Oh, you're having a hard time? Well, I've had a worse time." Glad to hear you got through that. Do you want an award for having a worse time than someone else? Listening to people trying to one-up someone else is fucking aggravating. "You only got 2 hours of sleep? Talk to me when you've been awake for 72 hours and a velociraptor breaks into your house and tries to eat the family dog." Christ.
highrider
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What exactly is the weed agenda?
Also, the experienced weed users in this thread should know it effects everyone differently. Your experience does not equal everyone else's. It's a much more nuanced drug than people seem to comprehend at times.
For me, weed withdrawal takes a couple of days. But I only get that when I smoke a fuck ton of weed. If I'm moderate I don't get it at all.
It gives me mild cold-like symptoms.
It gives me mild cold-like symptoms.
Ivan Amiibo
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A lot of people can even kick hard drugs with no problem. They aren't evidence of hard drugs not being a problem, just that there's some variables at play. Just because dumb weed culture is the loudest, that doesn't make it correct. Anecdotes and late night stoner talks about the subject are not science. I'm sure once this is studied more in depth, the truth will be somewhere more in the middle.
Would not be surprised if people experiencing withdrawal simply don't report it because it's not terrible/life threatening (it can be a bit of a shock the first time, but after, its just annoying) but also, more pertinent to this thread, because weed culture labels you a pussy/mental case if you bring up the possibility of withdrawal symptoms.
Would not be surprised if people experiencing withdrawal simply don't report it because it's not terrible/life threatening (it can be a bit of a shock the first time, but after, its just annoying) but also, more pertinent to this thread, because weed culture labels you a pussy/mental case if you bring up the possibility of withdrawal symptoms.
Sorry, I just see "marijuana withdrawals" as a non-serious issue. I mean, you were irritable and bored for a few days? Sounds like hell.
If it's truly a serious thing get off the internet and see a doctor or something.
Captain Tuttle
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Approx. 9% addiction rate. Nearly everything is addictive, what varies is how many people it affects. Still lower than caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, sugar, refined carbs and most antidepressants. There are still people who can kick all of these instantly and feel none worse for wear. Like me.
And the addiction isn't even that bad. I personally think I'm "addicted" to marijuana (because it would be next to impossible to give it up completely), but I smoke it reasonably and don't let it interfere with my life. People brag about their coffee addictions all the time, but I've been addicted to caffeine too, and it's a far worse thing to be addicted to. Caffeine withdrawal headaches are skull-splitting.
JJDinomite
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Marijuana is not addicting, this has been proven through science.
Fallout-NL
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4 pages and no Saget?
That scene was incredible. Thanks for posting it, this thread was due for it indeed.
HyperCubed4
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It sounds trivial, yes. It's (probably) nothing that will ruin someone's life. I was really just reacting to you dismissing someone else's problem because you had it harder. I'd be lying if I said people never did that to me and I'd be lying even more if I said I never wanted to punch that person for suggesting that I had no reason to feel shitty because they had it worse.
Marijuana withdrawals are comparatively mild when you look at things like morphine, or "hard drugs." Some people do take it worse than others, though.
I agree with this. I think we should have an OT for people with problems that they haven't seen a doctor for. And every post must end with "Get off GAF, go see a doctor."
Yup. Psychological dependency would be a different story, but someone who reached that level probably wasn't exactly sticking to the perfect mantra of "everything in moderation."
Constant consumption of plants weakens their effects due to heterotelergones which accumulate in tissue and cause reduced plant digestibility, or phytoalexins which cause resistance and reduce the metabolism of various compounds in the plant. Not much different from how constant consumption of nicotine or caffeine dulls their effect over time.
old manatee
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People have some imaginary scale in their mind of coke addiction is worse than alcohol addiction is worse than weed addiction..
Sometimes people get so strung out on caffeine that they stay awake until they have a heart attack and die.
Sometimes people eat what many would consider to be ordinary foods until their health falls apart and they die.
Some people masturbate until they lose their marriage and jobs and every other thing.
It just makes you sound ignorant to downplay it when someone admits that they have a dependence issue because you don't think their chosen substance is cool enough.
Sometimes people get so strung out on caffeine that they stay awake until they have a heart attack and die.
Sometimes people eat what many would consider to be ordinary foods until their health falls apart and they die.
Some people masturbate until they lose their marriage and jobs and every other thing.
It just makes you sound ignorant to downplay it when someone admits that they have a dependence issue because you don't think their chosen substance is cool enough.
Those people aren't wrong. Addiction rates differ between each thing and the actual effects of that addiction also vary. Being irritable for a few days is not comparable to cold turkey chills. At the same time, the former shouldn't be looked down upon, it's a very real effect and giving someone shit for it doesn't help anyone.
I'm sorry, I really shouldn't be dismissing someone's problem by comparing it to my own problems, but I'm just having a hard time seeing marijuana withdrawals as a serious problem. Marijuana withdrawals are comparatively mild to pretty much anything, not just opiates or benzodiazepines. They're mild compared to coffee or chocolate withdrawals.
If you're having a serious medical issue, then see a professional. How is that wrong? A gaf OT for people trying to kick a habit isn't a bad idea though. I'm down with it. I mean we have a "getting high" thread after all.
Marijuana is the coolest substance btw. Not denying that. I am truly sorry for downplaying it though. I've had those nights where I've needed to scrape the bowl because I couldn't stand to watch TNG sober.
Also, there isn't an imaginary scale of addiction. Overdosing on caffeine, eating too much, and going Don Jon on your wiener isn't the same as quitting booze cold turkey (which can cause seizures, delirium tremens, and even death)
Yes, quitting weed cold turkey after heavy usage isn't going to be easy for everyone, there will be some discomfort depending on how much you use, in what situations you use, and how you deal with dropping a habit. With the highs come the lows after all. But it isn't a "bitch", going to kill you, put your body and mind through an unimaginable hell (cold sweats, liver damage, pain, vomiting, hallucinations, paranoia, brain damage, panic attacks, psychosis, mania, etc.) All of which can be treated or eased with the help of a professional. Getting off grass can be eased with a relaxing shower, pleanty of liquids, some exercise, eating small healthy meals. Things you should be doing anyway IMO, but I can't tell anyone how to live their life.
I guess I kind of see marijuana addiction, as well as the gateway drug point as a reason to keep pushing prohibition by hyping it up as this dangerous and debilitating thing. For many, grass is medicine. When you take someone's medicine away, they're going to feel like shit. Period.
I'm not advocating self medication, btw. Even though I and many others have been guilty of doing so.
Your post is laughably devoid of any content. Marijuana is a plant, but referred to as a drug since it has psychoactive chemicals that make up the plant. They are ingested, vaped, smoked, for recreational and medicinally effects.
Here's one single article describing drug cravings in addictions. Cue ellicted cravings are a large part of addiction so they wanted to take a look at parts of the brain activated by these ellicted cravings for marijuana to see if the same pathways in other drug addictions are activated for marijuana cravings.
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/31/13016.short
Incentive scalience = a motivational "wanting" attribute given by the brain to reward-predicting stimuli. 'Psychological' addiction always seemed like a poor description considering your brain doesn't exist in some imaginary setting nor it's various pathways. Addictions can have minimal physical withdrawal and still absolutely be addictions. Nor does it no physical WD equal no withdrawal at all.
One single article to show that could suggest the 'proven science' to be much more complicated than you are making.
Weed is going to be legal eventually so it's not bad to have an honest discussions of these issues in the future,hopefully better funding for cannabis research. What incentive is there to say it can't be addictive because it doesn't have a physical withdrawal? There are plenty of sites to go to for all pro weed talk so I dont know why some people just need to come to a thread like this to outright deny something.
openrob
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I can really see the difference in my friends that do smoke. (I mean the heavy, every day smokers)
They all claim that weed helps them 'calm down' and sleep/relax/etc. Yet all of them have problems sleeping, and are irritable, stressed out. "I need weed to medicate my problems is the biggest fucking lie. It causes the problems.
Part of it is habit though, which is just generally hard. Like someone above who compared it to soft drinks. Not that it is the same, but there is a struggle, and it plays on your mind even though you wouldn't even call it anything near an addiction. Forming new habits wil make it easier, and make you happier.
They all claim that weed helps them 'calm down' and sleep/relax/etc. Yet all of them have problems sleeping, and are irritable, stressed out. "I need weed to medicate my problems is the biggest fucking lie. It causes the problems.
Part of it is habit though, which is just generally hard. Like someone above who compared it to soft drinks. Not that it is the same, but there is a struggle, and it plays on your mind even though you wouldn't even call it anything near an addiction. Forming new habits wil make it easier, and make you happier.
It's the same for everyone I know who smokes weed. Very irritable. Quick to anger. Just a horror to be around
This is why I take breaks (albeit not long ones) but it does help me sleep unless I do it too much, then I get used to it and can stay up all night high. even after smoking multiple blunts
Just browsing this thread there seem to be some pretty naive opinions about marijuana and marijuana addiction. The addiction is certainly nothing like heroine, meth or even nicotine, but it's still a drug that is going to affect people and interact with their brain chemistries differently. Having irritibility, depression of general mood, cravings, and sleep problems are all real issues for some chronic marijuana smokers, and it can last a while.
To me, it's a good indicator of someone's age. The older, more experienced smokers I have known are more likely to admit the side effects of smoking.
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Jpop
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It isn't addictive physically as many people have pointed out.
Anything can be mentally addictive, working out etc...
You can't go through physical withdrawn from not smoking.
Abusing anything can cause problems. And like I said, self-medication isn't usually a good thing. But there are people out there that toke for legit medical benefits. THC for an increase in appetite, decrease in nausea, pain relief, neuroprotective properties, etc.
Cannabidiol is an interesting beast. For one, it doesn't get you high. Attenuates binge alcohol-induced neurodegeneration, eases anxiety, therapeutic potential for alzheimer's disease, antipsychotic, anxiolytic, anti-depressant, antiepileptic...
Smoking anything is going to have negative side effects.
Princess Carl
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"A horror to be around"
Yeah, no offense, but you seem like someone who doesn't have a bias at all. Nope.
Yeah, this is just turning into the hyperbolic anecdotes thread at this point.
water_wendi
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i know people like that with games. Anything can be addictive. The difference is that marijuana does not have physical withdrawals. Boredom or a change in routine/habit is not physical withdrawal. i was using opiates every day for 6 months or so. When i stopped i couldnt stop sweating and shaking. i would try to sleep but i couldnt stop moving. When i would get up and try to get comfortable no matter what i did i couldnt do anything to soothe it. i couldnt eat, couldnt drink, couldnt piss, couldnt shit. i could barely talk. Everything inside me felt on fire. This lasted a week or two. i cant be sure of how long this lasted because i cannot remember exactly what happened during this time. i do remember missing time. One moment it was day and the next i know its night, or at least i think it was. It was like a fever dream for days on end.
Getting a frowny face because you are out of weed or having mild difficulty drifting to sleep because youve made a habit of using a sleep aid for weeks on end is not physical withdrawal.
Man i quit cold turkey 6 months ago after 4 years of heavy daily use, and it was just a mindset of no longer being lazy and dependent on it. It has been easy for me. Just set your mind to it and you can do it.
Honestly the hardest thing for me was sitting down to play a game and not taking a bong rip prior to playing, I was in a cycle of needing to be high because it was more "fun" I was at a point I would take a rip between every game of FIFA, Madden, NHL, CoD or whatever. I actually stopped playing for a few months and set my mind to other things, I read books, exercised more, hung out with friends and went out in public more. Things I didn't like to do when I was high for whatever reason.
It has honestly been good for me and I have never actually "craved" it since. I think the weed somehow spoke to me in a way. When I would smoke near the end of my time as a smoker I became remarkably introspective, I would completely over analyze myself, often in a very negative way. These thoughts drove me away from the drug and kind of showed me that it was time to stop. Avoiding that feeling was easy for me, and it was nice not to have to pickup a bag every week or whatever and have some spare cash for other ventures.
Everyone has there vices wether it be drinking pepsi, smoking pot, jerking off, playing games, watching tv shows, eating donuts, doing blow, drinking beer or whatever. At the end of the day you are the human in control of your life. Take control of who you are and tell yourself that your stronger then the substance. Addiction is a psychological thing that you are capable of overcoming. The human mind can accomplish remarkable things when you try your best and I am walking proof of it, you are stronger then the pot!
Since I quit I haven't noticed any long term problems, and I still support weed as a viable substance that should be allowed in the privacy of ones own home. It does benefit some people but for me it was just time to stop. We should be allowed sovereignty and choice of what we do to our own bodies and if someone enjoys the odd joint all the power to them. I support you in your pursuit of quitting and I am hear to say it is more then possible, and there is nothing more satisfying then achieving your goal!
Honestly the hardest thing for me was sitting down to play a game and not taking a bong rip prior to playing, I was in a cycle of needing to be high because it was more "fun" I was at a point I would take a rip between every game of FIFA, Madden, NHL, CoD or whatever. I actually stopped playing for a few months and set my mind to other things, I read books, exercised more, hung out with friends and went out in public more. Things I didn't like to do when I was high for whatever reason.
It has honestly been good for me and I have never actually "craved" it since. I think the weed somehow spoke to me in a way. When I would smoke near the end of my time as a smoker I became remarkably introspective, I would completely over analyze myself, often in a very negative way. These thoughts drove me away from the drug and kind of showed me that it was time to stop. Avoiding that feeling was easy for me, and it was nice not to have to pickup a bag every week or whatever and have some spare cash for other ventures.
Everyone has there vices wether it be drinking pepsi, smoking pot, jerking off, playing games, watching tv shows, eating donuts, doing blow, drinking beer or whatever. At the end of the day you are the human in control of your life. Take control of who you are and tell yourself that your stronger then the substance. Addiction is a psychological thing that you are capable of overcoming. The human mind can accomplish remarkable things when you try your best and I am walking proof of it, you are stronger then the pot!
Since I quit I haven't noticed any long term problems, and I still support weed as a viable substance that should be allowed in the privacy of ones own home. It does benefit some people but for me it was just time to stop. We should be allowed sovereignty and choice of what we do to our own bodies and if someone enjoys the odd joint all the power to them. I support you in your pursuit of quitting and I am hear to say it is more then possible, and there is nothing more satisfying then achieving your goal!
Wolfe
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Why, because your posts thus far have been bullshit? Try giving us some sources for this info of yours because until then it's just BS.
Don't know how to respond... lmao give me a fucking break.
OP: Can't sympathize with your plight as I do not have issues with stopping smoking myself, I have had to quit for months to a year at a time for various reasons (last time being that I moved back to Cali) but each time it's never affected me adversely from what I could tell.
That said, hope it all works out for ya.
Lol damn.
Herbspiceguy
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I've been a weed smoker for the last 15 years.
Everytime I tried to quit it was met with physical and mental discomfort. The biggest issue is the amount of strain I feel in my back and the feeling of not being able to function properly at work and in other activities. It sounds ironic, but when I stop smoking I actually feel like I just want to become an antisocial recluse.
So yeah for me it's a bitch too.
Everytime I tried to quit it was met with physical and mental discomfort. The biggest issue is the amount of strain I feel in my back and the feeling of not being able to function properly at work and in other activities. It sounds ironic, but when I stop smoking I actually feel like I just want to become an antisocial recluse.
So yeah for me it's a bitch too.
OP, I understand. I found marijuana to be extremely hard to quit but I eventually kicked it many years ago. I haven't smoked pot in 6 years or so. It's the only substance I've ever found addictive.
In comparison, I was able to quit cigarettes very easily after smoking for about a year... I never found them addictive. And I never have the urge to drink despite sometimes doing so socially on occasion with coworkers and friends.
So I always hate when people say "Marijuana isn't addictive". Everyone is different and MJ abuse could totally create a dependance just like other substances. Good for you for quitting.
In comparison, I was able to quit cigarettes very easily after smoking for about a year... I never found them addictive. And I never have the urge to drink despite sometimes doing so socially on occasion with coworkers and friends.
So I always hate when people say "Marijuana isn't addictive". Everyone is different and MJ abuse could totally create a dependance just like other substances. Good for you for quitting.
Gravy Boat
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Do you classify everyone who smokes weed as a 'pothead'? Even if they only do it occasionally?
old manatee
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Damn I guess I won't come here for support when I try to kick heroin. I can just imagine the Trainspotting gifs and the posts telling me to stop acting like a pussy.
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