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Holy return from oblivion: Robin may make appearance in Arkham Asylum II

Dick Grayson as Robin, I never read, but him as Nightwing and Batman is quite fun.

Also, Damian Wayne is a badass Robin. But considering the Batman in AA is not Grayson, that's not possible. I think Robin will have to be Tim Drake. Not my favorite.

As a sidenote, I have no idea how Tim retired as Robin.. Anyone tell me? He was a rather.. well.. he didn't leave much mark on me. Grayson always had much more character as Nightwing.
 
tahrikmili said:
As a sidenote, I have no idea how Tim retired as Robin.. Anyone tell me? He was a rather.. well.. he didn't leave much mark on me. Grayson always had much more character as Nightwing.
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He became Red Robin after the whole Battle for the Cowl fiasco. It's basically a cross between the Batman and Robin costumes. The current series, Red Robin is pretty cool, starts a tad slow but right now is my favorite Batbook along with Detective Comics.
 
WanderingWind said:
No, he sucks in the comics too. The best part of the Robin character is that one of them died. That's the only part that has meant anything to the mythos of both characters.
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Sounds like you haven't read a single Batman comic since the 1980's.

I'd gladly play as Tim Drake's Robin, haters be damned.
 
I guess I'll just say I'm the weird guy that doesn't read comics, but still likes Robin. Between his TAS incarnation, the Teen Titans cartoon, and his appearances in Batman: Brave and the Bold, I really enjoy the character. In fact, Batman without Robin at least being acknowledged, if not right along side him, seems off to me. I didn't even realize he had so many haters. :/

Batgirl, on the other hand.....meh.
 
DimmuBurgerKing said:
Sounds like you haven't read a single Batman comic since the 1980's.
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Honestly, this seems to be the case with many of the haters. Almost as much as the 90's movies. It's like everyone thinks that Robin is this 12 year old that Batman has around in a bright suit so he will be gunned instead of him, who is basically a ninja. Drake (CALL ME WAYNE! :lol) served as the leader of the Teen Titans, Grayson as the leader of the Justice League. They act more on their own more than they do as sidekicks of Batman (and even when they do, it's more of a partnership than anything else). They're NOT B-Listers.
 
tahrikmili said:
As a sidenote, I have no idea how Tim retired as Robin.. Anyone tell me? He was a rather.. well.. he didn't leave much mark on me.
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Like stated above, he's Red Robin now. He was (because now, Dick knows too) the only one who after Final Crisis believed that Bruce was still alive. Dick chose Damian as his Robin because he felt Tim was an equal rather than a side kick. So with his thought that Bruce was still alive, and losing his job, a lot of people thought he had lost it, Dick even tried to get him to go to a shrink. Eventually Tim leaves Gotham to search for clues of Bruce's whereabouts around the world, to which he eventually finds some thanks to teaming up with Ra's.

Then, the series begins to show how much of a bad ass Tim really is. We get to see his mind at work, which everyone already knows is better than Dick's and eventually will be better than Bruce's. And the whole point of him wearing the Red Robin costume is that it had already been "dirty" so what he would do (crossing the line) would not come back to the bat family. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO... He blows up the whole fucking league of assassin's.

Red Robin is an awesome series, it has made me appreciate Tim Drake so much more now. And I hope the Robin in Arkham 2 is Tim (I also want Nightwing.)
 
The Robin hate doesn't even make sense in the context of "I only know him from more popular media than comics." He was great in Batman TAS and Teen Titans (generally I don't like a lot of the takes the on characters in TT, but Robin was fantastic).
 
I don't understand the Robin hate too. If its all coming from the awful movie, fuck off. Robin, with the exception of Jason Todd who was a bit of a bitch, is a great character. Dick Grayson and Tim Drake are among my favorite comic characters. Hell, I even like Damian Wayne.

Was Robin completely lame in Batman & Robin? Yeah. Would he work in the Chris Nolan movies? No. Does that make him a bad character? Not at all.
 
I'd be cool with a Tim Drake Robin. With Barbara already wheelchair-bound, Nightwing would make more sense for Dick Grayson.
 
FHIZ said:
Would he work in the Chris Nolan movies? No.
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Not to open up a huge can o' worms here, but I don't know if that's necessarily true. If you look at what's been posted here, and some of the darker, edgier elements of Robin's history, I'd say Robin might work pretty well in Nolan's movies. He doesn't have to be a brightly-colored sidekick. Hell, he doesn't have to be a sidekick at all. Lord knows he'd fit within the copycats theme established in TDK.
 
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How do you do this, Google?

Also, I hope there aren't any implications of co-op with the addition of Robin. I doubt it, though, because no one would want to play it. At that point just let both players use Batman. Now, if Nightwing was involved...
 
tahrikmili said:
Dick Grayson as Robin, I never read, but him as Nightwing and Batman is quite fun.

Also, Damian Wayne is a badass Robin. But considering the Batman in AA is not Grayson, that's not possible. I think Robin will have to be Tim Drake. Not my favorite.

As a sidenote, I have no idea how Tim retired as Robin.. Anyone tell me? He was a rather.. well.. he didn't leave much mark on me. Grayson always had much more character as Nightwing.
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i raise you a jason todd
 
Ugh. If you don't like the Boy Wonder, then you're a Schumacher-hater who hasn't read a book for 30 years.

It's apparently never crossed your minds that some people just don't like some characters...and Robin is not exactly known to be universally loved in the first place.
 
WanderingWind said:
Ugh. If you don't like the Boy Wonder, then you're a Schumacher-hater who hasn't read a book for 30 years.

It's apparently never crossed your minds that some people just don't like some characters...and Robin is not exactly known to be universally loved in the first place.
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But there are 5 different Robins in the comics. Each has different personalities and many writers have portrayed a single Robin in different fashions.
 
dysonEA said:
If it's the Tim Drake Robin it'll be pretty awesome! I was a huge Robin fan when i was a kid and collected all the comics! I hope he's playable.

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Tim Drake rulz!!!!

Even, I would like a game about him...
 
EmCeeGramr said:
But there are 5 different Robins in the comics. Each has different personalities and many writers have portrayed a single Robin in different fashions.
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And they all take away from The Dark Knight aspect of Batman.

Dick Grayson, everybody is pretty much familiar with. Jason Todd was Grayson - with attitude! - and was completely unmemorable until he was beaten to death with a crowbar. Tim Drake was turning into an alright character, until they decided to stuff everybody around him into refrigerators. Then he became Tim Wayne and went bac to the boring norm. Carrie Kelly was just there as a reminder than Todd died. I don't know much about Stephanie Brown or Damian Wayne, but the track record has not been good for Robin.

No matter who plays the part, the character of Robin is detrimental to the character of Batman, in my exceptionally nerdy opinion.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
But there are 5 different Robins in the comics. Each has different personalities and many writers have portrayed a single Robin in different fashions.
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Not to mention that the Robin everyone hates hasn't existed in the comics since the early 80's.

WanderingWind said:
Yes, I'm afraid so.
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You're so wrong so often in other threads. I don't know why you think you're suddenly right now.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
But there are 5 different Robins in the comics. Each has different personalities and many writers have portrayed a single Robin in different fashions.
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Because that doesn't matter. It's the concept of this little kid(which is how they all start) fighting crime with succes.

Me personaly, i hate the concept of Robin,Nightwing because it undermines and destroys the uniqueness of Batman. I see Bruce as one in a million. It doesn't matter that you train as hard or are as smart as him. There is only one true Batman and that is Bruce Wayne. He's the only one that as a mere human can be equal to titans like Superman,WW.
None the less, i don't really care. They can put Robin/Nightwing in AA2, it established itself well to be more in the comicverse.

Nolenverse, keep that kiddyshit out of them. The only way i would want to see Dick as a vigilante in them is if they make him out to be a total loser and dies by the end to show that no one can do what Bruce/Batman does.

And they all take away from The Dark Knight aspect of Batman.
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You nailed it. As if anyone in the real world would take Batman seriously seeing a stupid tough acting kid beside him. In a month's time that boy would be kidnapped,raped,tortured,killed,ect.
 
If you have to give him a sidekick, make him mute, not Robin, and only in a co-op mode where it's just a playable character and not part of the story (even if it doesn't make sense).

I like Batman the way he is. Let him go it alone.

Or make it Batgirl. At least give me something nice to look at if you're going to ruin it.
 
DihcarEM said:
Because that doesn't matter. It's the concept of this little kid(which is how they all start) fighting crime with succes.

Me personaly, i hate the concept of Robin,Nightwing because it undermines and destroys the uniqueness of Batman. I see Bruce as one in a million. It doesn't matter that you train as hard or are as smart as him. There is only one true Batman and that is Bruce Wayne. He's the only one that as a mere human can be equal to titans like Superman,WW.
None the less, i don't really care. They can put Robin/Nightwing in AA2, it established itself well to be more in the comicverse.

Nolenverse, keep that kiddyshit out of them. The only way i would want to see Dick as a vigilante in them is if they make him out to be a total loser and dies by the end to show that no one can do what Bruce/Batman does.



You nailed it. As if anyone in the real world would take Batman seriously seeing a stupid tough acting kid beside him. In a month's time that boy would be kidnapped,raped,tortured,killed,ect.
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You saying that Batman is too dumb to find and train talent? :smug
 
Htown said:
I'd be cool with a Tim Drake Robin. With Barbara already wheelchair-bound, Nightwing would make more sense for Dick Grayson.
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It can't be Dick, anyway. I think it's well established that Tim Drake would be the only viable Robin for AA2. Well, either him or Stephanie Brown, but Tim would be much better. :P

junkster said:
If you have to give him a sidekick, make him mute, not Robin, and only in a co-op mode where it's just a playable character and not part of the story (even if it doesn't make sense).

I like Batman the way he is. Let him go it alone.

Or make it Batgirl. At least give me something nice to look at if you're going to ruin it.
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Wait, you'd RATHER have batgirl than Robin? Jesus christ.
 
thetrin said:
You're so wrong so often in other threads. I don't know why you think you're suddenly right now.
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Hm. And you are, who again? Taking this comic discussion a little personal, ain't we, creepy stalker dude?
 
I really have a tough time imagining how anyone associates AA Batman more with The Dark Knight than TAS.

Having grown up on TAS, Robin seems fine.

But perhaps the most shocking thing is how GAF fundamentally does not understand how IMDB works.
 
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Dick Grayson as Batman, Damien Wayne as Robin. Probably the best batman/robin team in ages, and this comic is a great example of how you make a batman/robin book maintain the dark tone of the series.
 
DihcarEM said:
No, just saying that no amount of finding "talent" and training it should result in a person equal to him.
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Why the hell not? Batman is just a dude in a suit that makes people afraid of him. He knows that better than anyone, and he also knows that he's not going to live forever. Without inspiring people to follow in his footsteps (and training them to be heroes), he'll have failed in his mission.
 
Robin is cool and Dini has always done well by the character so I am enthusiastic about this. At the very least, we will finally get to see a modern take on Robin outside of the comic books.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
You saying that Batman is too dumb to find and train talent? :smug
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No, but he's always portrayed as at the oldest, a teenager. A teenager without super powers, who had nowhere near the years of training that Bruce Wayne had (Drake did have more than most, granted) and who somehow survives fighting the most dangerous criminals in Gotham.

Batman survives because he's the goddamn Batman. Robin surviving past his first meeting with a super criminal just doesn't ring true for the gritty Batman stories I like the best. Hence, I do not like the concept of Robin. Never had.

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EmCeeGramr said:
Why the hell not? Batman is just a dude in a suit that makes people afraid of him. He knows that better than anyone, and he also knows that he's not going to live forever. Without inspiring people to follow in his footsteps (and training them to be heroes), he'll have failed in his mission.
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And this leads to another problem. Batman scares people. Does the image of a teenage boy dressed in the colors of a springtime bird scare you? Of course not. :lol
 
DihcarEM said:
No, just saying that no amount of finding "talent" and training it should result in a person equal to him.
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They're not equal to him. Where are you getting this?

Robin I: Becomes Nightwing, then Batman, and finds himself way in over his head, totally unable to live up to Bruce's true legacy.

Robin II: Dies, comes back, and becomes a deranged psychopath.

Robin III: Becomes Red Robin, and spends his time looking for Bruce desperately, because he knows the world can't do without him.

Robin IV: Dead. Comes back as batgirl.

Robin V: A smug moron that gets himself almost killed in every single issue. Dick can't control him. Only ever listens to his father (who, as far as he's concerned, is dead).

EmCeeGramr said:
Why the hell not? Batman is just a dude in a suit that makes people afraid of him. He knows that better than anyone, and he also knows that he's not going to live forever. Without inspiring people to follow in his footsteps (and training them to be heroes), he'll have failed in his mission.
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Exactly. Even The Dark Knight touched on this.
 
WanderingWind said:
No, but he's always portrayed as at the oldest, a teenager. A teenager without super powers, who had nowhere near the years of training that Bruce Wayne had (Drake did have more than most, granted) and who somehow survives fighting the most dangerous criminals in Gotham.

Batman survives because he's the goddamn Batman. Robin surviving past his first meeting with a super criminal just doesn't ring true for the gritty Batman stories I like the best. Hence, I do not like the concept of Robin. Never had.
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Robin survives because he's TRAINED by the Batman and fights alongside him.

WanderingWind said:
And this leads to another problem. Batman scares people. Does the image of a teenage boy dressed in the colors of a springtime bird scare you? Of course not.
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And then you get kicked in the teeth and you remember "oh shit this is like mini-Batman" and you crap your pants in terror.
 
The only thing that bothers me about Robin is his mask.

I mean, come on

There was an episode of TAS where he meets a friend from college who does not recognize him in the Robin outfit

I feel like my friends would know it's me if I were wearing sunglasses
 
EmCeeGramr said:
And then you get kicked in the teeth and you remember "oh shit this is like mini-Batman" and you crap your pants in terror.
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No, but according to GAF, Robin just stands around like a moron and does nothing.

ShockingAlberto said:
The only thing that bothers me about Robin is his mask.

I mean, come on

There was an episode of TAS where he meets a friend from college who does not recognize him in the Robin outfit

I feel like my friends would know it's me if I were wearing sunglasses
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I think this is more an issue with Superman than anyone.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Robin survives because he's TRAINED by the Batman and fights alongside him.

And then you get kicked in the teeth and you remember "oh shit this is like mini-Batman" and you crap your pants in terror.
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Batman trained from childhood to adulthood (at least based off the Year One origin) and underwent training at the hands of some of the most brutal teachers on the planet. Drake trained for like, a week or something under Lady Shiva IIRC, and whatever time Batman had between following his obsession. I know that was a point of several comics, that training Robin (in almost every iteration that I've read) has come a distant second to fighting crime.

It just doesn't ring "true." Again, just to clarify - IMO.
 
WanderingWind said:
No, but he's always portrayed as at the oldest, a teenager. A teenager without super powers, who had nowhere near the years of training that Bruce Wayne had (Drake did have more than most, granted) and who somehow survives fighting the most dangerous criminals in Gotham.

Batman survives because he's the goddamn Batman. Robin surviving past his first meeting with a super criminal just doesn't ring true for the gritty Batman stories I like the best. Hence, I do not like the concept of Robin. Never had.

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And this leads to another problem. Batman scares people. Does the image of a teenage boy dressed in the colors of a springtime bird scare you? Of course not. :lol
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Actually Robin was introduced at an even younger age, as a pre-teen. His original purpose was to serve as a kind of scout, gathering intel and accessing places where Batman's presence would be suspect (during the day, for example). In combat, Robin merely serves as a distraction (or was meant to originally), hence the flamboyant costume. His acrobatic background explains his heightened maneuverability while his combat training can be credited to the Batman. *

* Not sure if this actually true but I remember reading it somewhere. Nonetheless I think it's a cool approach to his function/role.

In the context of a game he could be used for setting up/springing traps. His combat style could be low damage but highly agile. There is a lot they could do with the character to provide an alternate play-style to Batman. That is, assuming he is even a playable character. An AI-controlled partner for certain sequences could also be cool.

Though I love Robin, Nightwing may be a more suitable character for the world presented in Arkham Asylum. That's not to say that Robin couldn't be pulled off too.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Why the hell not? Batman is just a dude in a suit that makes people afraid of him. He knows that better than anyone, and he also knows that he's not going to live forever. Without inspiring people to follow in his footsteps (and training them to be heroes), he'll have failed in his mission.
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Wow, if you really think that that is Batman, just a dude in a suit that scares people, then you really haven't been paying attention for atleast this last decade.
That was never his mission, his mission is a solo one, he takes it upon himself to safeguard Gotham. And he's only willing to risk one life, his own. And the fact that he's a genius, trained his body to the human physical limit, has an analytical mind, is always atleast 10 steps ahead of you, a contingency plan for everything makes him the only one true Batman.

I agree that this is not how the character Batman started, as the embaressing pictures above show his origins. But that doesn't matter now, just like how every character is changed/evolves trough time. So did Batman and as he is now he's an equal/superior to any meta. The odds of him finding not one but two successors in his lifetime is just plain stupid. Atleast Terry we understood eventually why he was able to be Batman. Dick and Tim cannot/shouldn't be Batman.
 
Kittonwy said:
Nightwing is basically a weaker batman who's dumber and doesn't have as much money, and he doesn't have a cape.
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Robin is the Chinese-made, Wal-Mart version of Bat-Man.
 
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