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[GymWolf]

She looks alright. Even in your screenshot???
Why you guys don't understand that anything could looks bad if you take a single frame from a video. Especally when the character raise her head / the camera is too close to character.

She looks absolutely fine in his pic aswell tbh.

 

[Javthusiast]

Guess I better start my replay of the first game to be done before the new one comes out.

 

[remember_spinal]

She looks alright. Even in your screenshot???
Why you guys don't understand that anything could looks bad if you take a single frame from a video. Especally when the character raise her head / the camera is too close to character.

i honestly dont understand why you guys take them seriously

 

[Falc67]

Some of the scenes in this trailer look insane. Especially the night scenes. wtf!?

 

[Salz01]

I'm kind of annoyed there don't seem to be flying mounts. I guess it's for Horizon 3…..

 

[saintjules]

I'm kind of annoyed there don't seem to be flying mounts. I guess it's for Horizon 3…..

Well we haven't seen the game fully to know if that's true or not. Maybe we'll know by the SoP deep dive.

 

[Haggard]

I wish they`d stick to either cutscenes or actual in-game scenes in such trailers instead of mixing it. I understand that it`s easier to get the dramatic note when you`re weaving in cutscenes, but the shift in visual quality, especially lighting quality, between 2 fast cuts is seriously distracting at times.
Even a game like Horizon looks bad side by side with an offline render.

 

[The_Observer]

The new locations look cool, but I don't like that there's a lot of reused assets (snowy, desert area etc.). Looks too samey to the first game.

 

[GymWolf]

The new locations look cool, but I don't like that there's a lot of reused assets (snowy, desert area etc.). Looks too samey to the first game.

I mean, It is still earth after terraforming, you are not gonna see neon signs and modern cities in this game.

 

[The_Observer]

I mean, It is still earth after terraforming, you are not gonna see neon signs and modern cities in this game.

You don't get the point. The areas look the same as in the first game. You could put them next to each other and it would be difficult to tell which one is from the first and which one is from the second game. 5 years went by, I don't think it's too much to ask to have a significant difference in their look.

 

[SLB1904]

You don't get the point. The areas look the same as in the first game. You could put them next to each other and it would be difficult to tell which one is from the first and which one is from the second game. 5 years went by, I don't think it's too much to ask to have a significant difference in their look.

Is the same area from the first game. Forbidden west is the new location

 

[SlimySnake]

I wish they`d stick to either cutscenes or actual in-game scenes in such trailers instead of mixing it. I understand that it`s easier to get the dramatic note when you`re weaving in cutscenes, but the shift in visual quality, especially lighting quality, between 2 fast cuts is seriously distracting at times.
Even a game like Horizon looks bad side by side with an offline render.

They problem is that they are mixing in footage from the pre-rendered reveal trailer to the final realtime cutscenes which simply dont look as good. This trailer simply highlights that the game has received a downgrade otherwise you wouldnt have noticed the difference.

They should not be showing that footage anymore. It is highly unlikely that those shots are in the final game.

 

[GymWolf]

You don't get the point. The areas look the same as in the first game. You could put them next to each other and it would be difficult to tell which one is from the first and which one is from the second game. 5 years went by, I don't think it's too much to ask to have a significant difference in their look.

I mean we only saw a beach and a village that is not even into the forbidden west, we saw almost zero of the new map.

But i really don't see how can you differentiate too much a post apocalyptic world with the lore of horizon outside of better fidelity, you are still gonna look at deserts, forests, rock mountains, snow mountains etc, with the occasional oudoor facility or old days structures like towers, bridges etc.

 

[GymWolf]

They problem is that they are mixing in footage from the pre-rendered reveal trailer to the final realtime cutscenes which simply dont look as good. This trailer simply highlights that the game has received a downgrade otherwise you wouldnt have noticed the difference.

They should not be showing that footage anymore. It is highly unlikely that those shots are in the final game.

They are, and you know how do i know this? Because they were smart enough to not include the only unrealistic one, when she enter the water with that fabolous vortex\bubbly effect.

It is not a case that they included all the old scenes except the one that was by far the most impressive, do you really think it's a coincidence?!

Also like i said, not even sony can lie in your face when the game is out in less than a month, it would be the first case in gaming history of fake footage so close to release date, sony is not that fucked up.

Although maybe i'm underestimating the jimbo factor, between the we believe in generation, the gt7 case and the 180° they did with horizon ps4 upgrade being free, that guy probably doesn't know what shame is...

 

[SlimySnake]

They are, and you know how do i know this? Because they were smart enough to not include the only unrealistic one, when she enter the water with that fabolous vortex\bubbly effect.

It is not a case that they included all the old scenes except the one that was by far the most impressive, do you really think it's a coincidence?!

Also like i said, not even sony can lie in your face when the game is out in less than a month, it would be the first case in gaming history of fake footage so close to release date, sony is not that fucked up.

Although maybe i'm underestimating the jimbo factor, between the we believe in generation, the gt7 case and the 180° they did with horizon ps4 upgrade being free, that guy probably doesn't know what shame is...

We shall find out in just 27 days. I also never thought GG would ever show a pre-rendered trailer after the KZ2 E3 2005 debacle. They have always gone out of their way to show realtime demo and cutscenes since that CG trailer. And yet, i think we all agree that the Horizon reveal trailer was pre-rendered despite their claims that it was captured on PS5. Yeah, probably a video file playing on PS5.......

 

[The_Observer]

Is the same area from the first game. Forbidden west is the new location

I didn't know that. I thought that all of the game takes place at West. Still, I would have liked a bit of a redesign of the old locations to feel a bit different.
GymWolf like you put AC Origins desert next to Horizon desert sure you can see that they look totally different artwise despite both being deserts. I don't want to nitpick but to prepare I'm now playing Frozen Wilds and the sameyness just hit me that's all

 

[SlimySnake]

BTW, i dont think they were the only ones. The directive likely came from Jim who was likely worried about both Miles and Horizon being cross gen so he commisioned pre-rendered trailers. Miles looked way better in the initial reveal too.


I remember making these gifs. The final game did not look as good.

For Demon SOuls, they mixed in the CG intro bits. Very deceptive.

 

[SLB1904]

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Although maybe i'm underestimating the jimbo factor, between the we believe in generation, the gt7 case and the 180° they did with horizon ps4 upgrade being free, that guy probably doesn't know what shame is...

Don't you think you are going a little far with Jimbo hate. Do you really think hes forcing guerrilla lie?
Come on thats just fucked up.

And yet. Ps5 has had more and better games than ps4 at same time.
What you guys were playing the 1st year of ps4? And you guys want his head lol because he didn't bought some franchise with dozens of release.

 

[GymWolf]

I didn't know that. I thought that all of the game takes place at West. Still, I would have liked a bit of a redesign of the old locations to feel a bit different.
GymWolf like you put AC Origins desert next to Horizon desert sure you can see that they look totally different artwise despite both being deserts. I don't want to nitpick but to prepare I'm now playing Frozen Wilds and the sameyness just hit me that's all

Well frozen wild is samey by design.

For the desert part, i don't know what to say, origins location is egypt, you better have a great desert if your game is located in egypt.

Horizon desert is not a natural desert, it was probably a city that was terraformed.

But i saw a bit of proper desert in the video with the snake-bot, maybe we are gonna have something similar to origins in the sequel.

I'm just saying that we really saw jack shit of the new map.

 

[GymWolf]

Don't you think you are going a little far with Jimbo hate. Do you really think hes forcing guerrilla lie?
Come on thats just fucked up.

And yet. Ps5 has had more and better games than ps4 at same time.
What you guys were playing the 1st year of ps4? And you guys want his head lol because he didn't bought some franchise with dozens of release.

He is the public face of sony, with great money and prestige comes people talking shit about you in forums.

I have a company, if my workers do some shitty thing, i get the blame from clients, not them.

The chance that the head of sony gaming division is the one who takes the most important decision in sony gaming side is not exactly far-fetched dude.

The guy doesn't need your defense dude, he is probably a milionaire who smile in crossgen all the way to the bank.

 

[The_Observer]

Well frozen wild is samey by design.

For the desert part, i don't know what to say, origins location is egypt, you better have a great desert if your game is located in egypt.

Horizon desert is not a natural desert, it was probably a city that was terraformed.

But i saw a bit of proper desert in the video with the snake-bot, maybe we are gonna have something similar to origins in the sequel.

I'm just saying that we really saw jack shit of the new map.

I still think that in 5 years they could have redesigned these places artwise to avoid this sameyness. Hopefully the game will mostly take place at new locations though.

 

[GymWolf]

We shall find out in just 27 days. I also never thought GG would ever show a pre-rendered trailer after the KZ2 E3 2005 debacle. They have always gone out of their way to show realtime demo and cutscenes since that CG trailer. And yet, i think we all agree that the Horizon reveal trailer was pre-rendered despite their claims that it was captured on PS5. Yeah, probably a video file playing on PS5.......

The thing is, i still don't see anything unrealistic in those supposedly impossible to render scene that you talk about, the game never looked "so good is fake" to me, except that water bubbly effect and the crabs on the beach (but that could just be a cutscene)

 

[zkorejo]

We have not been shown the forbidden west at all right? I would like to go in completely blind for that one.

 

[SLB1904]

He is the public face of sony, with great money and prestige comes people talking shit about you in forums.

I have a company, if my workers do some shitty thing, i get the blame from clients, not them.

The chance that the head of sony gaming division is the one who takes the most important decision in sony gaming side is not exactly far-fetched dude.

The guy doesn't need your defense dude, he is probably a milionaire who smile in crossgen all the way to the bank.

I'm not really defending him lol
I don't trust him not because is Jim Ryan but because he's a salesman, and you never should trust those
I don't think is angel but I know he's smart enough to not do that

 

[GymWolf]

I still think that in 5 years they could have redesigned these places artwise to avoid this sameyness. Hopefully the game will mostly take place at new locations though.

Natural locations all look a bit samey in every game, a rock mountain is always gonna look like a rock mountain, same for forests, i can show you 10 different forests from 10 different games with realistic graphic and they all look samey.

 

[The_Observer]

Natural locations all look a bit samey in every game, a rock mountain is always gonna look like a rock mountain, same for forests, i can show you 10 different forests from 10 different games with realistic graphic and they all look samey.

This is where we won't agree. Like I mentioned before Horizon and Origins deserts look completely different to me but this is just one example. I could say Far Cry forest and Ghost of Tshushima forest also look completely different to me.

 

[GymWolf]

We have not been shown the forbidden west at all right? I would like to go in completely blind for that one.

They showed a beach and some villages.

Not really open world exploration or indoors stuff.

 

[GymWolf]

This is where we won't agree. Like I mentioned before Horizon and Origins deserts look completely different to me but this is just one example. I could say Far Cry forest and Ghost of Tshushima forest also look completely different to me.

Far cry are famous for being samey dude, tsushima look different because they have that exagerated wind tech and saturated colors and that ninja japanese aestehetic.

Like i said before, origins location is egypt, if you can't make a desert stand out in a game located in egypt better close your studio.

 

[aclar00]

She looks alright. Even in your screenshot???
Why you guys don't understand that anything could looks bad if you take a single frame from a video. Especally when the character raise her head / the camera is too close to character.

Is that the same character model in Horizon and God of War or am i missing some? First looks like Horizon background.

 

[The_Observer]

Far cry are famous for being samey dude, tsushima look different because they have that exagerated wind tech and saturated colors and that ninja japanese aestehetic.

Like i said before, origins location is egypt, if you can't make a desert stand out in a game located in egypt better close your studio.

Mate, I like you, we usually go along, but now I feel that you just don't or don't want to get what I mean. Nevermind then.

 

[jonnyp]

She is. I'd post a picture with her if I didn't want weirdos having my picture hahah.

She is a legend. Fantastic actress.

 

[remember_spinal]

Don't you think you are going a little far with Jimbo hate. Do you really think hes forcing guerrilla lie?
Come on thats just fucked up.

And yet. Ps5 has had more and better games than ps4 at same time.
What you guys were playing the 1st year of ps4? And you guys want his head lol because he didn't bought some franchise with dozens of release.

Jim ryan probably doesnt even know what any of these games look like or cares. He's not involved in the day to day operations and decisions of game development.

He's a big picture guy but according to internet CEO's the guy is kicking people at Guerrilla HQ out of chairs and designing maps himself

 

[GymWolf]

Mate, I like you, we usually go along, but now I feel that you just don't or don't want to get what I mean. Nevermind then.

I think that we didn't saw enough of the game to even discuss how varied or different are the locations.

But yeah i don't get what are you trying to say exactly.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

She is a legend. Fantastic actress.

That's an understatement. Having her be present in this game literally shot it way further up into my must play list. Don't ever let anyone tell you that which celebrities are involved in a project don't make a difference. They can and often do.

 

[GymWolf]

That's an understatement. Having her be present in this game literally shot it way further up into my must play list. Don't ever let anyone tell you that which celebrities are involved in a project don't make a difference. They can and often do.

She is gonna have some dramatic speech for sure, in the trailer they hint how regalla is having his vengeance against "who did her wrong" (so probably killed some close person or his entire village or some shit in some old war if i can guess a bit).

She is taking the help of sylens for vengeance.

 

[RAIDEN1]

I've barely started the first one ever since it became free on PSN, though I am in no hurry to get this, plenty more to get through before this..

 

[DForce]

My favorite costume so far.

 

[XenoRyujin]

I took some screenshots of the latest HZW trailer. It's wonderful

 

[Lupin25]

Incredible cast.

 

[Kaiserstark]

The new locations look cool, but I don't like that there's a lot of reused assets (snowy, desert area etc.). Looks too samey to the first game.

It would be strange that some area doesn't look like the first one because we will start in the same area than the first one and we will travel to the Forbidden West.

 

[Ogbert]

Looks good.

Just hope the gameplay mechanics are much improved. And the inventory too.

 

[Haggard]

Has anything been said about savegame imports from the first game btw?
Or do we have RPG amnesia again and revert to a toddler state in the new game?

 

[GymWolf]

Has anything been said about savegame imports from the first game btw?
Or do we have RPG amnesia again and revert to a toddler state in the new game?

Usually save imports are for story reasons, not skills stuff, devs are not gonna mess their progression system because you had all the skills in a 5 years old game.

I think that she is gonna have the majority of abilities except maybe the more advanced like firing 3 arrows or advanced hacking because you have specific skill trees for hacking and ranged combat.

I know that many people hate rpg amnesia but i hate even more being super strong at the start of the game and not having a strong sense of progression from little shit to destroyer of worlds.

 

[Sygma]

That's a He/Him in a dress, isn't it?

Just an average polish woman

 

[Truth Be Told]

Good luck to whoever is gonna do the next big open world game after horizon when it comes to characters fidelity...

This character is extremely good looking and convincing in this still picture (especially the eyes, face and ornaments). He almost looks like a real photo out of the National Geographic magazine.
Imho, he looks better than a lot of main and secondary protagonists i have seen so far, including the latests UE5 demos.
For once, I am really curious about who worked on the scene (artists and developpers) and about the reason why he benefitted from such a preferential treatment.

Regalla looks very good too in the picture further below, but her face is a bit too perfect and too symmetrical to be completely realistic.

Usually, I overlook and even disregard facial paintings but these two characters really stand out for me. Great work by Guerilla's artists !

 

[Haggard]

This character is extremely good looking and convincing in this still picture

That looks like Benedict Cumberbatch with a wig somehow.

 

[GymWolf]

That looks like Benedict Cumberbatch with a wig somehow.

To me it looks very similar to chayton, the indian big guy villain in the third season of banshee.

 

[GymWolf]

Watched half of that, will watch the remaining half later tonight. Thanks for introducing this channel.

He also posted his story breakdown. Seems like all three possibilities are still almost the same as I mentioned;

Spoiler

AI (vast silver), descendents of human race that went to space (Odyssey) or a new tribe that's more advanced because maybe their Apollo program worked somehow in certain cradle.

There is another theory that i forgot:

Spoiler

the chick who is voiced by carrie ann moss and the new tribe with connection to the past that they speak of in the latest trailers, could very be a modern world tribe that found the wreckage of the odissey with the beta of apollo and they are now super advanced, they don't need to be necessarily people who survived in space all this time.
this theory has 2 flaws tho, why they awoke hades to destroy the planet if they live in the same planet and how much of a coincidence must be that the odissey fell down into earth when it (supposedyl) explosed in outer space?!

 

[saintjules]

Sorry to say that, but these developers seem to be unable to model an authentic-looking head. This girl looks like a photoshop experiment gone horribly wrong.

I'm guessing you didn't like the way Nemesis' Teeth in the RE3 Remake looked ?

 

[zkorejo]

There is another theory that i forgot:

Spoiler

the chick who is voiced by carrie ann moss and the new tribe with connection to the past that they speak of in the latest trailers, could very be a modern world tribe that found the wreckage of the odissey with the beta of apollo and they are now super advanced, they don't need to be necessarily people who survived in space all this time.
this theory has 2 flaws tho, why they awoke hades to destroy the planet if they live in the same planet and how much of a coincidence must be that the odissey fell down into earth when it (supposedyl) explosed in outer space?!

Well I'm just throwing out stuff:

Spoiler

Yes I'm actually kind of expecting it to be quite different and advanced once you go deep in the west. There's definitely a reason why they are keeping the barbarians out of their civilized borders.

Also it's entirely possible that Odyssey never failed the mission but just suffered a communication failure with earth and they just assumed it failed.

I'm honestly leaning towards the theory that due to some reason, the appolo on this cradle in the west worked perfectly and as a result a civilized, educated, knowledgeable and mentally capable tribe emerged from it. When the rest of the world was basically trying to start fire, the people of the west were probably coding AI and realized that these other tribes are way far behind and it would be smarter to stay hidden from them.

Then some people (can't remember the guy from sun tribe) tried to head there and succeeded. And that probably was the wake up call for them. That these barbarians who fight among themselves will only bring trouble to their civilization and are a weak link to humanity. So they try to get rid of them. They are as smart/educated as the last humans, so they probably have knowledge of advanced technology. It could be that they reprogrammed the attack of Hades to only effect east. Once the wildlings are wiped off, their civilization can take over and make the world one again as it was supposed to be.

I'm sorry if this was too long.