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[unapersson]

It's not like old game came without problems, the only difference down is that they can fix it after they put it on disc. Not that it hasn't been abused recently. Patches aren't bad by default.

Indeed. The disk is gold, the post gold hangover has receeded, do they twiddle their thumbs or start pulling issues off the backlog? Or is the idea to not go gold until you hit the mythical zarro boogs.

 

[Gamezone]

I read somewhere yesterday the patch was 16GB? Glad that's hokum. I'm genuinely curious how a frigging patch these days can be bigger than entire 7th gen games.

These patches are usually the multiplayer portions of games.

 

[AGoodODST]

It is utterly ridiculous this has become something we are applauding and cheering about.

I don't mean that as a slight here, just that instances like this are now the exception. It's nice to see a game actually ready at launch. Good going.

 

[Forsaken82]

People still don't get it. No day one patch at all means the game could have been released four weeks earlier. And then you whine when it gets delayed a month.

Internet is a requirement now, face it already!

This isn't true at all... Even if the game didn't need a day one patch, it still has to go through certification which is often times around a month (sometimes two months depending on the amount of fixes you expect) prior to the actual street date. After a company spends millions of dollars marketing a certain release date, they intend on hitting it, otherwise they just wasted millions of dollars.

If a game gets thru a first pass certification 2 months prior to release unscathed, the game will still not release till it's marketed release date. It's irrelevant of whether they get a day one patch or not.

 

[WrenchNinja]

My bandwidth cap and harddrive appreciates it

 

[ViolentP]

I ve waited so long for the physical copy to get rid of patches and updates meh

Sorry my man. It's par for the course and will remain that way. As they say, art is never finished, only abandoned.

 

[Gamezone]

People still don't get it. No day one patch at all means the game could have been released four weeks earlier. And then you whine when it gets delayed a month.

Internet is a requirement now, face it already!

Are you serious? Verification is more than a month, and they have to spend the time doing something.

 

[Dremorak]

I don't think Sony has once thought about Halo Wars..at all.

Agreed. Different genre, different audience.

 

[The Futurist]

I don't really care about day one patches or how large they are. Great for people that live in areas without great internet, but doesn't make a difference to me.

Glad it's small though. Can't exactly count on PSN for download speeds.

I'm with Colin on this one, this is going to be the next great Sony franchise. Can't wait to play it.

I'm cautiously optimistic because it looks great.

However, this is the developer that brought us the Killzone franchise. They don't exactly have the best track record.

 

[Gloggins]

These patches are usually the multiplayer portions of games.

I see. It would be great if devs separated patches between single and multiplayer content. For those of us only interested in SP. I'm sure there's a good reason why they don't though.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I read somewhere yesterday the patch was 16GB? Glad that's hokum. I'm genuinely curious how a frigging patch these days can be bigger than entire 7th gen games.

Pretty sure that's the install needed before you can start playing and it installs the rest

 

[Irishonion]

Nvm answerd above.

Never been someone who hates day one patches. Not like devs sit on their thumbs when games go gold.

 

[HStallion]

I'm cautiously optimistic because it looks great.

However, this is the developer that brought us the Killzone franchise. They don't exactly have the best track record.

You might not like them but the KZ games are generally very well received by a lot of critics and the general audience even if Shadowfall was a major stumble, the two prior games were pretty big all around.

 

[onemanasylum]

I don't really care about day one patches or how large they are. Great for people that live in areas without great internet, but doesn't make a difference to me.

Glad it's small though. Can't exactly count on PSN for download speeds.




I'm cautiously optimistic because it looks great.

However, this is the developer that brought us the Killzone franchise. They don't exactly have the best track record.

Not this again.

 

[SunBroDave]

Not this again.

Relax, the guy said he was cautiously optimistic.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Not this again.

Round and round we go!

 

[icespide]

My bandwidth cap and harddrive appreciates it

FWIW in the vast majority of cases, patches replace data not add in terms of hard drive space

 

[ViolentP]

FWIW in the vast majority of cases, patches replace data not add in terms of hard drive space

Also worth noting that a 250MB day 1 patch is no indication of a possible 15GB patch file week 2.

 

[Lion Heart]

Nioh was small too.

 

[The Futurist]

Not this again.

I didn't realize that looking at the work a developer has done in the past is suddenly offensive.

We are talking about a studio that made an average at best shooter franchise that is now making a third person open world game.

To be fair, KZ2 wasn't bad from a gameplay standpoint, but all three of those games have possibly the worst characters, voice acting, and story of any major FPS franchise.

Who knows? Maybe it will be amazing and third person open world games are what they do incredibly well.

I'm just not in the habit of losing my mind over exclusives from studios that haven't proven themselves.

 

[icespide]

I didn't realize that looking at the work a developer has done in the past is suddenly offensive.

We are talking about a studio that made an average at best shooter franchise that is now making a third person open world game.

To be fair, KZ2 wasn't bad from a gameplay standpoint, but all three of those games have possibly the worst characters, voice acting, and story of any major FPS franchise.

Who knows? Maybe it will be amazing and third person open world games are what they do incredibly well.

I'm just not in the habit of losing my mind over exclusives from studios that haven't proven themselves.

Horizon threads are littered with this discussion. It's been done to death

 

[ViolentP]

I liked the shit out of Shadow Fall. But then, I hold a special place for mediocre shooters. I believe they have a place in this industry.

 

[The Futurist]

Horizon threads are littered with this discussion. It's been done to death

Alright fair enough.

I'm new here.

Forgive me...

 

[meerak]

So we should be angry or something right?

All this time since it went gold and no more substantial patch!? Lazy devs!

*grrrrrr rage*

 

[Bronetta]

A day one patch done right is no day one patch.

But I am impressed, regardless.

Would you prefer developers sit around twiddling their thumbs for a few weeks from the game going gold to release day?

 

[icespide]

Would you prefer developers sit around twiddling their thumbs for a few weeks from the game going gold to release day?

they're gonna say they'd rather the game be finished but it's obviously not that simple

 

[onemanasylum]

I didn't realize that looking at the work a developer has done in the past is suddenly offensive.

We are talking about a studio that made an average at best shooter franchise that is now making a third person open world game.

To be fair, KZ2 wasn't bad from a gameplay standpoint, but all three of those games have possibly the worst characters, voice acting, and story of any major FPS franchise.

Who knows? Maybe it will be amazing and third person open world games are what they do incredibly well.

I'm just not in the habit of losing my mind over exclusives from studios that haven't proven themselves.

KZ2 has a 91 metacritic, KZ3 86...... Also, Killzone has no bearing an Horizon, it has a lot of new talent (John Gonzales), that has extensive RPG writing chops, and everything from people who played it, including the press, seems to be top billing.

Who is losing their mind? There is hours of content and people even have the game already, enough to see that using the "But Guerilla" argument holds no water.

This has also been brought up ad nauseam and people quite frankly are tired of the same old easy criticisms that are thrown around in Horizon threads by people who know little about the game.

 

[dracula_x]

A day one patch done right is no day one patch.

But I am impressed, regardless.

well, it's almost impossible.
If there's no day one patch that doesn't mean game is a "bug free".

So, if there's no day one patch :
1. game shipped "as is" (though it's ok to ship product with non-critical bugs)
or
2. QA mistake

in addition → http://softwareengineering.stackexc...olute-zero-bug-state-for-large-scale-software

 

[Sanke__]

I hope it boots directly into the game like Killzone did

Still my biggest disappointment of this generation that every games doesn't do that

Killzone was the first PS4 game I played and it made me think every PS4 game would do it

 

[wenaldy]

Over a week before release? Either they're very confident in Horizon or they're trying to steal some attention away from Halo Wars.

Spoiler

Probably both.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Lady Gaia]

This isn't true at all... Even if the game didn't need a day one patch, it still has to go through certification which is often times around a month (sometimes two months depending on the amount of fixes you expect) prior to the actual street date. After a company spends millions of dollars marketing a certain release date, they intend on hitting it, otherwise they just wasted millions of dollars.

If a game gets thru a first pass certification 2 months prior to release unscathed, the game will still not release till it's marketed release date. It's irrelevant of whether they get a day one patch or not.

There's also the matter of pressing and distributing physical media. We aren't yet at the point where retailers would accept digital copies launching four weeks earlier lying down. They'd refuse to promote or maybe even stock the game in question. Instead, digital purchasers have to wait for the antiquated process of scheduling a pressing and getting discs out to everyone so the launch can be simultaneous across the board.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Alright fair enough.

I'm new here.

Forgive me...

Don't take it personally. It can be hard to tell what kind of conversation-starters belongs in what kinds of threads when you first start posting. It will become clearer soon. The issue with whether or not Guerilla's track record affects your expectations of Horizon doesn't have anything to do with the small size of the day one patch, you know what I mean? That's more a comment review threads, trailer threads, OTs, etc. But you're fine. This is a game that's seen a lot of discussion threads. Some people are burned out on certain conversation points. It's not you, specifically.



As far as the size of this patch goes, it's particularly impressive given the scope of the game. You would think games like Horizon would have exceedingly large patches, not exceedingly small.

 

[facetheslayer92]

My man Hermen giving us PS3 size patches. Is it 2/28 yet?

 

[Mubrik]

patchnotes would have been nice

 

[Falchion]

Nice, that's isn't bad at all.

 

[Jakoo]

Good news. I always like to get as much of the game as possible on disc.

This in concert with allowing reviews posted a week before launch is making me pretty confident that Guerilla is going to stick the landing here.

 

[Brian_FETO]

2017! We did it fam!

Thought for sure Horizon of all games would have a stupid patch. GG, Guerilla Games

 

[MiamiWesker]

This is good news, it means my copy isn't really missing much. Probably a few glitch fixes. Like I noticed a floating bow during a cutscene.

 

[Planet]

Are you serious? Verification is more than a month, and they have to spend the time doing something.

That's what I wanted to point out, they don't just fiddle their thumbs when they submit the gold master. And if they really have nothing important left point the list (which basically never is the case), they could just have submitted it a month earlier (and then worked on a day 1 patch), which is what I meant.

I should better have said any game that is coming out without a day one patch did take the extra month or two to pass submission without any planned work left. And people tend to want their games as soon as possible, you can't have both. Games get submitted when they are nearly done, and then the final crunch is on.

 

[Shil Pencer]

I find it weird that this is news at all bad or good.

 

[ViolentP]

I find it weird that this is news at all bad or good.

Agreed. There is no correlation between day 1 patch size and anything.

 

[TheKingOfPain]

I find it weird that this is news at all bad or good.

Well, some people may want to know if they're going to have to wait some time (even a long time, depending on their net speed) before playing the game in the most optimal way. We're kinda used to multiple Gigabytes d1 patches, at least this time we know that the wait won't be very long.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Done right? What?

My internet provider doesn't think so.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Over a week before release? Either they're very confident in Horizon or they're trying to steal some attention away from Halo Wars.

Spoiler

Probably both.

Only game Sony is worried about is Mass Effect.

Really hope this game turns out to be fantastic. I love everything I see about it despite my worries for mission variety, characters, dialogue and overall story. Even though I'll likely get it day 1, I have to finish FFXV still (damn work is killing me) -_-

 

[sikkinixx]

It's gonna be a mad dash to rip through the game before the Switch comes out.

 

[HStallion]

Still my biggest disappointment of this generation that every games doesn't do that

Killzone was the first PS4 game I played and it made me think every PS4 game would do it

Yeah the way it was being talked about I thought it was something we would be seeing in every first party game or something along those lines.

 

[Muninn]

you're not wrong

KZ had multiple well designed levels. I'm sick of the hyperbole about this game on this website. Seriously, I still remember the uproar over how hard the flying missions were. And they were never that hard for any experienced gamer. They were tough but nothing anyone with skill could not handle over time.

KZSF is a decent game that needed another year in the oven. It made launch. People should be thankful that one studio actually made the launch for Sony.

 

[ViolentP]

Well, some people may want to know if they're going to have to wait some time (even a long time, depending on their net speed) before playing the game in the most optimal way. We're kinda used to multiple Gigabytes d1 patches, at least this time we know that the wait won't be very long.

With the option to skip patches, what does it matter if the 15GB patch comes day one or day 10? Total downtime will be the same.

 

[Muninn]

KZ2 has a 91 metacritic, KZ3 86...... Also, Killzone has no bearing an Horizon, it has a lot of new talent (John Gonzales), that has extensive RPG writing chops, and everything from people who played it, including the press, seems to be top billing.

Who is losing their mind? There is hours of content and people even have the game already, enough to see that using the "But Guerilla" argument holds no water.

This has also been brought up ad nauseam and people quite frankly are tired of the same old easy criticisms that are thrown around in Horizon threads by people who know little about the game.

KZSF has decent acting just a really poor script in places. A couple scenes are well done though.

KZ2 is laughably bad in many parts and very early in FPS story time for consoles. It was more rote and routine when it came out. You are giving too much credit to other developers when only a few deserve it.

 

[Jonneh3003]

I feel disappointed in myself to be impressed by this.