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[Joel Was Right]

I feel for you Meus but us smokers didn't ask for it to be like this, non-smokers did.

If the smoking ban had been at the licensees discretion then this could all have been avoided. Of course, no licensee that wanted to stay in business would have been non-smoking only but that's the market for you.

You get aggressive looks because we smokers are fed up of being herded into 2m x 2m squares and then once we're inside them, some fucker tells us to put our cigs out anyway.


Well, that's one way to get your ass stabbed so you don't need to worry about it anymore.

I see it very similar to the example of listening to your own music. You can play that stereo as loud as you want, its your right. However you need to be considerate of your neighbours. Too much noise and it is intruding on their lives and your right doesn't justify that. But having to tolerate smoke is a lot more different than tolerating loud music at night. There has to be line drawn here. The moment you start to impede the space of others, who just want to breathe, then you are in the wrong. I can understand the motive to ban smoking in public places because it's essentially the same issue. But like you said, it forces smokers outside and yet ironically expose a greater amount of people to this.

 

[SmokyDave]

I totally agree that smokers should aim to be considerate but there's only so much we can do.

In your analogy, it's almost like the government have told me that I can't listen to my stereo indoors anymore and I have to set up my Hi-Fi on the patio. It becomes a lot harder for me to do my usual listening without pissing the neighbours off.

The smoking ban should be repealed, we'd all be better off. Or we could just completely ignore it, like they do in the Czech republic.

 

[Puck]

Smokers only smoke to see themselves as unique and cool individuals.

Well done lads, i applaud your ballsiness by setting yourself up for a massive regret when you're decision when 50+ and can't walk up 5 flights of stairs.

 

[Arjen]

I thought it would be more relevant to post this here:

There is a ban on smoking in public buildings here in the UK, this stems down to even many pubs and restauraunts. So without a place to smoke inside, people are going outside onto the streets. This leads to clusters of individuals lining up the highstreet creating a thick tunnel of smoke made worst by the breeze throwing it in the faces of people walking by on the streets. It is worst than it ever was before. People in general are more likely going to be outside on the highstreet or waiting for a bus than they are in a building room somewhere, so having to stand next to or near the vicinity of a smoker seems unavoidable.

For someone like me who has low air-intake (bad heart), it's tantamount to being forced tohold your breath for 10 seconds at each time. And that's when you can see smokers ahead. When you're coming out of a train station, there are smokers on the boundary in every angle. When you're waiting for a bus, soemone in the queue is puffing that smoke. You either suffocate or go back further in the queue. Asking them to put the cig out prompts an aggressive look.

I've wrote to the mayor about this and my intentions of buying a mask to commute through the City of London. It is absolutely horrible. You can't go from A to B without having to come across several of these encounters. Why people smoke I have no idea. Why they are willing to impose their habits on others is infuriating. I've been tempted so many times to just take the cig out of their mouths and stamp it on myself. There are people around you moron who can't breathe right with you smoking that shit.

What do you want the smokers to do then?
they HAVE to smoke outside.
I feel for you're situation, but they don't like to smoke outside to.

 

[OnkelC]

The day a person will ask me to put out my cigarette while walking on the sidewalk will be the day that I will put out my cigarette in the face of said person.

Edit: and curse at said person in an impolite manner.
EDIT2: and then light up another cigarette.

 

[timetokill]

For someone like me who has low air-intake (bad heart), it's tantamount to being forced tohold your breath for 10 seconds at each time. And that's when you can see smokers ahead. When you're coming out of a train station, there are smokers on the boundary in every angle. When you're waiting for a bus, soemone in the queue is puffing that smoke. You either suffocate or go back further in the queue. Asking them to put the cig out prompts an aggressive look.

...

Why people smoke I have no idea. Why they are willing to impose their habits on others is infuriating. I've been tempted so many times to just take the cig out of their mouths and stamp it on myself. There are people around you moron who can't breathe right with you smoking that shit.

Man, I feel the same way about pot. The smell of it seriously gives me a headache instantly... and if you're around people smoking it, it eventually just gets absorbed into your clothes and it follows you around everywhere.

I still argue it should be legalized, though. It's up to people to decide what they want to do with their bodies/money/brains/whatever. I think people should be considerate of course.

Back on smoking, I think the ban was an awful idea. Let the businesses choose to ban it if they want to. You can have smoking bars and non-smoking, etc etc if the market wants it. As it is now, you just move the problem to a more public place, which is kind of hilarious in how it backfires.

 

[SmokyDave]

Funny thing is, in the UK we're now talking about a 5 metre exclusion zone around doorways where you can't smoke.

What do you think you'll find at the 6th metre?

 

[EYEL1NER]

Smokers only smoke to see themselves as unique and cool individuals.

:lol:lol:lol
What a great way to start off the day...

There is a ban on smoking in public buildings here in the UK, this stems down to even many pubs and restauraunts. So without a place to smoke inside, people are going outside onto the streets. This leads to clusters of individuals lining up the highstreet creating a thick tunnel of smoke made worst by the breeze throwing it in the faces of people walking by on the streets. It is worst than it ever was before. People in general are more likely going to be outside on the highstreet or waiting for a bus than they are in a building room somewhere, so having to stand next to or near the vicinity of a smoker seems unavoidable.

Is there no way around this ban though, for local businesses? Especially pubs? Where I am at here in South Carolina, a smoking ban went through for indoor public establishments. I don't drink much, but occasionally I DD for all my coworkers when they go out to the bars. I do smoke though.
Most bars here, because bars lose a HUGE amount of money when smokers start going to other cities/counties/whathaveyou to drink, have made their bars private bars. You pay for a membership and then you can come and go as you please. And smoke, because it is private. There are still a ton of non-smokers in the bars too, sitting right next to smokers. It's great for the bars though. I remember in either Independence or Jackson Co, MO, when the smoking ban went into effect while I was gone for a while, I returned to the city and my mom told me that pretty much everyone started going to bars in Blue Springs. Independence bars started folding.

 

[otake]

Who the fuck are you to decide what I can or cannot consume?

 

[Wanace]

I never smoked cigarettes until after I smoked pot.

It truly is the gateway drug.

 

[J-Rod]

I don't believe a single wiff of cigarette smoke can instantly give someone a headache or be that painful to anybody. I doubt it is anything more than just another odor out of many that you happen to catch a smell of throughout the day, and for most people it's just psychological.

I understand being stuck in a building, room, or car with it would be bad and harmful to your health, but an invisible breath of it outdoors couldn't be any worse for your long term health than the petrolium based hot asphalt mix road workers are pouring that is consuming the whole block or the powerful fumes of gasoline you breath everytime you fill up your car, and so on and so forth.

 

[DarkKyo]

Been smoking pot for years but would never touch a cigarette. I think they are vile.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Fucking love cigarettes, but I smoke the tar-less e-cigs now.

 

[Crisco]

I never smoked cigarettes until after I smoked pot.

It truly is the gateway drug.

Hahahahah, same here. I actually tried smoking cigarettes when I my stash had run out for a while. Holy lord that was a terrible idea.

 

[WanderingWind]

That's the worst thing I've read in this thread.

People enjoy smoking, it's relaxing, it's a habit, it relieves stress. What other reason is there to not get rid of them? Why shouldn't we get rid of fast food, it's 100% bad for you! What about alcohol or prostitution?!

We live in a country where what we put into our own bodies is regulated by someone else, and some people have the balls to call us "free".

Fucking this. I quit smoking 10 years ago, and I'm still annoyed by the anti-smoking crowd. "Why don't we get rid of it?" If we got rid of everything that was unhealthy for you, then the list of things we'd have left would be microscopic.

Junk food, automobiles, the internet, alcohol, weed (lol), etc.

If you want to use the absolutely retarded "burden on health care" argument, then you better accept the ideal that everything you do could be regulated under the same argument. Don't like jogging? Too bad, fucker. Lace up, because it decreases health care premiums.

EDIT:

Been smoking pot for years but would never touch a cigarette. I think they are vile.

...this literally made me facepalm.

 

[joelseph]

I like to believe that if I was a smoker I would be more considerate than the kids that stand up wind and smoke at corners waiting for lights. Go downwind so we don't have to smoke your smoke fool!

 

[joelseph]

...this literally made me facepalm.

Ok?

 

[DarkKyo]

Why did you facepalm good sir?

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Because the extra taxes the government gets are massive, not to mention that because of the fact that smokers die early, they're cheaper to society. So smoke away!

all good points. But does the end of life care of a cancer victim costs work out cheaper than a standard die of old age drain on the economy? (I honestly don't know)

Also, I always use the J-Pod line (great book) when people smoke. Or at least I plan to anyway.

'don't smoke cigarettes, poor people smoke cigarettes'

 

[WanderingWind]

Why did you facepalm good sir?

Because smoking weed is great, I'm sure, but you're still inhaling smoke and you still smell bad. But, you know, as I'm pretty much for smoking of just about anything (it's your body after all) that's your prerogative.

 

[teruterubozu]

When I lived in L.A. I inhaled 3 packs day...by driving with my windows down.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I too don't really a see a point in smoking cigs (it doesn't get you the same buzz as other narcotics, and it doesn't even have good flavor like smoking flavored tobacco through a hookah), but really, who gives a shit?

If people want to throw their lives away doing risky, unhealthy activities, that's their problem.

People are forced to smoke outside of bars in Boston - when I'm out on the town, I spend 99% of my time in the fucking bar. Not a problem.

You walk by someone on the street, you politely cough if you need to, and keep it moving. Holding your breath is only going to make you more lightheaded.

 

[WanderingWind]

You walk by someone on the street, you politely cough if you need to, and keep it moving. Holding your breath is only going to make you more lightheaded.

These people drive me to a near murderous rage. Yeah, I'm in LA with a smog factor of "Death" and suddenly you're choking because I'm smoking 10 feet away from you.

 

[otake]

Some of you guys are being such huge wussies. Oh I inhaled some smoke, cough cough. Really? It bothers you to walk around smoke?

If you can't deal with some smoke in the air you may as well kill yourself.

 

[Agnostic]

I'm smoking right now.

 

[Corky]

equating smoking weed to smoking cigarettes just because both are smoked is like equating eating butter to eating a carrot cus both are eaten

 

[ViolentP]

When I'm God, TV and Fast Food shall be banished before cigarettes.

 

[WanderingWind]

equating smoking weed to smoking cigarettes just because both are smoked is like equating eating butter to eating a carrot cus both are eaten

No, no it's not. It's much closer to say butter vs. margarine. Besides, when talking about vileness, both rank pretty high on the Stank-o-Meter.

 

[silentspork]

Smokers only smoke to see themselves as unique and cool individuals.

What an idiot.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

No, no it's not. It's much closer to say butter vs. margarine. Besides, when talking about vileness, both rank pretty high on the Stank-o-Meter.

not really. weed is puffed with much less frequency and health negatives are pretty widely reported as being much lower than super manufactured cigs.

Also, this is only my opinion of course, weed smells strong, but it doesn't smell like burning like a cigarette does. It's got a herby smell. I like it actually. (again.... everyone might not feel this way.)

 

[DarkKyo]

No, no it's not. It's much closer to say butter vs. margarine. Besides, when talking about vileness, both rank pretty high on the Stank-o-Meter.

Oh I don't have a problem with the smell of either really, I just know that cigs are death sticks in comparison(as far as we know).

 

[WanderingWind]

not really. weed is puffed with much less frequency and health negatives are pretty widely reported as being much lower than super manufactured cigs.

Also, this is only my opinion of course, weed smells strong, but it doesn't smell like burning like a cigarette does. It's got a herby smell. I like it actually. (again.... everyone might not feel this way.)

Anytime you're inhaling smoke, it's not healthy for you. Less unhealthy than cigs? Sure. Don't kid yourself though. It's still smoke in your lungs.

...and it doesn't smell herby. It smells like old gym socks. :lol

 

[Wrekt]

Some of you guys are being such huge wussies. Oh I inhaled some smoke, cough cough. Really? It bothers you to walk around smoke?

If you can't deal with some smoke in the air you may as well kill yourself.

I didn't know Astrolad had an alt account.

 

[zoukka]

Don't like cigarettes. But everyone should have a right to smoke whatever they want. As long as you don't go puffing it to some infants face of course...

But yeah I can't force myself to rot my lungs. My biggest fear is choking to death. And my friends dad literally died choking because he smoked like 3 packs a day. We could hear him coughing in his yard every night. What a horrible way to go...

 

[DarkKyo]

Anytime you're inhaling smoke, it's not healthy for you. Less unhealthy than cigs? Sure. Don't kid yourself though. It's still smoke in your lungs.

...and it doesn't smell herby. It smells like old gym socks. :lol

In your opinion. I'm not familiar with that stance at all. I think it smells herby too.

And it may still be smoke but at least it's not nicotine+tobacco. Ew.

 

[WanderingWind]

In your opinion. I'm not familiar with that stance at all. I think it smells herby too.

And it may still be smoke but at least it's not nicotine+tobacco. Ew.

I would like to hope everybody would assume if something like that is posted, it needn't be prefaced with an "IMO."

 

[Zero Hero]

I thought it would be more relevant to post this here:

This is the theme song.

 

[DarkKyo]

I would like to hope everybody would assume if something like that is posted, it needn't be prefaced with an "IMO."

Lol well you said like "its not this. its this" so it sounded more like you were presenting fact.

 

[Like the hat?]

all smoking smells terrible to me, but I'm not the one smoking, so it doesn't matter. It's not that hard to avoid smokers.

 

[zoukka]

I liked the taste of this shit. Nowadays I only smoke when I'm hammered.

 

[WanderingWind]

Lol well you said like "its not this. its this" so it sounded more like you were presenting fact.

Well, the ":lol " was present...

...wait. You're high right now, aren't you, you cheeky monkey, you!

 

[Peronthious]

If it's all about money, then don't we just make every drug legal and tax the shit out of it?

Because it is all about money. Take marijuana: it's called weed for a reason. It grows anywhere. There's no way if it were legal that someone would be able to make as massive a profit off of marijuana production as companies do now off of tobacco, which takes much more effort and processing to make into something usable.

Edit: Oh hey old thread.

 

[orion434]

My sister has been smoking an "electric cigarette" I don't know... she charges it and it's just like smoking, but it lets out water-vapor. Pretty nice when we want to sit outside and chat after eating.

 

[AlteredBeast]

People who smoke have to be, on average, less intelligent than non-smokers. I would say the same about obese versus fit people as well...

someone should do a study!

 

[SmokyDave]

People who smoke have to be, on average, less intelligent than non-smokers. I would say the same about obese versus fit people as well...

someone should do a study!

Judging on sensibility of comments, I'd say the smokers had a lot more going on upstairs

 

[WanderingWind]

People who smoke have to be, on average, less intelligent than non-smokers. I would say the same about obese versus fit people as well...

someone should do a study!

...somebody ought to do a study on you, instead.

 

[Odoul]

I'm getting to the point of hating smokers.

This is just like masturbation. You have the right to do it as much you wish, in your own fucking home. Try beating off in a bar, or on a bus, or outside the workplace and see what happens.

You do not have the right to push your fucking trash down my lungs.

And no it is not like alcohol or fatty foods.

Michigan just put in a smoking ban that goes into effect May 1st.

My mother smokes like it's the most important purpose in her life. When she runs into this ban I am gonna laugh my ass off.

 

[WanderingWind]

I'm getting to the point of hating smokers.

This is just like masturbation. You have the right to do it as much you wish, in your own fucking home. Try beating off in a bar, or on a bus, or outside the workplace and see what happens.

You do not have the right to push your fucking trash down my lungs.

And no it is not like alcohol or fatty foods.

Michigan just put in a smoking ban that goes into effect May 1st.

My mother smokes like it's the most important purpose in her life. When she runs into this ban I am gonna laugh my ass off.

What is it about smoking that drives people to terrible analogies?

 

[DarkKyo]

I'm getting to the point of hating smokers.

This is just like masturbation. You have the right to do it as much you wish, in your own fucking home. Try beating off in a bar, or on a bus, or outside the workplace and see what happens.

You do not have the right to push your fucking trash down my lungs.

And no it is not like alcohol or fatty foods.

Michigan just put in a smoking ban that goes into effect May 1st.

My mother smokes like it's the most important purpose in her life. When she runs into this ban I am gonna laugh my ass off.

I hate cigs but come on, no smoking in bars? I think that's silly. If there is smoke in a bar and the owner is cool with it, then its your choice to give them business or not.

 

[AlteredBeast]

oh wait, someone did do a study

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100401151746.htm