Muffdraul
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when was this? my friends in the late 80s/early 90s fucking loved this game
Then I guess you guys weren't included in the subset of "pretty much everyone."
when was this? my friends in the late 80s/early 90s fucking loved this game
Bingo! These games aren't any less refined than the stuff Nintendo was putting out at the time (and in the case of Zelda II, I'd say it was one of Nintendo's best games of the era, actually).
They just didn't get iterated.
Then I guess you guys weren't included in the subset of "pretty much everyone."
If you're looking for some Zelda II goodness you could do worse than trying the NES classic Battle of Olympus. May just be the rose tinted glasses but I preferred it to Zelda II having played both when I was a kid
Zelda 2... I want it negatively badly.
the game sold well and was received positively upon release.
I would like to see a sequel take place where both overworlds from Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 accessible. I believe Zelda 2 overworld is just north of Zelda 1.
If you're looking for some Zelda II goodness you could do worse than trying the NES classic Battle of Olympus. May just be the rose tinted glasses but I preferred it to Zelda II having played both when I was a kid
the game sold well and was received positively upon release.
So did Assassin's Creed 3. And lots of other shitty games.
So did Assassin's Creed 3. And lots of other shitty games.
Okay I'll bite, what exactly makes Zelda 2 a bad game?
It's a great game and much better than Zelda 1, but I don't feel it needs a sequel since there are many games that play similarly, whereas there's not much these days that plays like 3D Zelda.
It's a great game and much better than Zelda 1, but I don't feel it needs a sequel since there are many games that play similarly, whereas there's not much these days that plays like 3D Zelda.
Oh ffs, I haven't played it in so many years. I just remember it being completely unlike Zelda 1, and completely, utterly and absolutely NO FUN WHATSOEVER. I remember playing it felt 100x more ponderous than doing my homework and household chores, and I was all too happy to stop playing it and never go back.
this is some really good critical analysis right here
The comparisons to Shovel Knight really baffle me, since that's a straight action sidescroller.
Try Wonder Boy III on SMS, Wonder Boy in Monster World on Genesis, and the recently translated Monster World IV on PS360.
All excellent side scrolling platformer/RPGs.
Ys III
It's been done... and done better than Zelda II, I might add:
Wonder Boy Dragon's Curse / Trap
Wonder Boy in Monster World
Monster World IV
Ys III
If you haven't played Monster World IV, then go play it on virtual console or PSN or whatever. Great game.
has anyone checked out Shadow Crypt?
http://onebitpunch.itch.io/shadowcrypt
I haven't played these games. Do they have combat similar to Zelda II? It's one of the main things I want from a Zelda II-like. I think the combat is a reason why people compare it to Demon's/Dark souls.
I haven't played these games. Do they have combat similar to Zelda II? It's one of the main things I want from a Zelda II-like. I think the combat is a reason why people compare it to Demon's/Dark souls.
The game that xir posted looks like they got the combat right; Shadowcrypt
I haven't played these games. Do they have combat similar to Zelda II? It's one of the main things I want from a Zelda II-like. I think the combat is a reason why people compare it to Demon's/Dark souls.
The game that xir posted looks like they got the combat right; Shadowcrypt
Thanks, I know it doesn't quite measure up to the impressive robustness of "my friends liked it" and "It sold a lot."
What's that NES game that basically reused the Zelda 2 engine? I can't remember the name of it... but it plays very similarly. I wanted to say it had "Olympus" in the title, but it's not Battle of Olympus, and that's all that comes up in a search.
(though not, IIRC, downward thrust attacks, at least not for all weapons).
i don't think it requires that much to debunk this revisionist history that your [sic] projecting as both universal and true when that really isn't the case.
Remember a couple posts ago when I said this was just my own personal point of view? Yeah, I actually meant that. Even though it saddens me that something so obvious even needs saying. And even then, people like you still don't get it.
In MW4 you can stab up / down and use a shield, but I don't know if I'd say the combat is like Zelda II. I don't think there's anything particularly great about Zelda II's combat, it just feels random when fighting enemies who block and attack high or low... Besides, MW4 more than makes up for that with way better level / dungeon / puzzle design.
Barring Ys III (which really plays like Ys I & II with an attach button in a side scrolling fashion, really) they all play much better than Zelda II. Wonderboy in monster world, for example, includes both swords and shields, and spears, which can't be used in conjunction with a shield but can be twirled to block attacks or used as a multi-hit attack itself. Wonderboy III: The Dragon's trap includes a transformation mechanic, so some characters can swing downward, some can shoot fireballs, etc.
They're basically zelda II + metroid.
yes, you've elaborated on your own personal experiences but this sort of absolutism was your original point.
I grew up as a Nintendo kid and even though these Wonderboy games are available as virtual console games now, I kind of dismissed them based on looks. They really look like simple action sidescrollers to me.
Now knowing how they play, I will definitely to check them out (after I'm done with all the discounted Ys games I bought on Steam).
yes, you've elaborated on your own personal experiences but this sort of absolutism was your original point.
I grew up as a Nintendo kid and even though these Wonderboy games are available as virtual console games now, I kind of dismissed them based on looks. They really look like simple action sidescrollers to me.
Now knowing how they play, I will definitely to check them out (after I'm done with all the discounted Ys games I bought on Steam).
It's Battle of Olympus as already pointed out in this thread, unless you're thinking of Faxanadu?
You can in MW4
It is just crappy Metroid game with a Zelda skin and a BS Overworld.
Haven't played it, but what I've seen of Shovel Knight kind of reminds me of Zelda II.
You can find plenty of 3D action adventure games, but not really ones that feature a balance of exploration, action, puzzles, storytelling, sidequests and such. Okami is the only one I can think of. Darksiders, Dark Souls, Ys, even Skyrim get compared to Zelda (ie "do Zelda better than Zelda") but they lack any real puzzle solving as far as I'm aware.I hear this a lot, but which part of 3D Zelda can you not find elsewhere? And what would have to be sacrificed for a Link's Adventure 2?
I'm pretty much just going by the words of other posters as I haven't played those games myself.I haven't seen any other game like Zelda 2 that combines the overhead overworld with sidescrolling "random" encounters, and the maze-like palaces felt pretty much Zelda-ish despite not being top-view, with an item/treasure and keys to unlock doors.
The comparisons to Shovel Knight really baffle me, since that's a straight action sidescroller.
I haven't seen any other game like Zelda 2 that combines the overhead overworld with sidescrolling "random" encounters, and the maze-like palaces felt pretty much Zelda-ish despite not being top-view, with an item/treasure and keys to unlock doors.