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[alan666]

NeoGAF seems to get mentioned a lot it seems, i have been a lurker for sometime but decided to join so i am a relative newbie here, i had heard people say members here were scary & would jump on you & your point of view or opinion, but this has not been the case i have found.

The industry should take notice of us gamers because without us there would be no games industry.

Not really the right place to ask, but what does NeoGAF mean or where did the name come from ?

 

[Frolow]

No, it didn't. Sony was never going to do used game DRM. They made that clear at their reveal in February. Paranoid people just started freaking out and acting just in case. Then for some reason people were surprised that there was no DRM, despite the fact that we knew that since February.

They easily could have been lying. My guess is DRM was in the cards at one point, but after seeing the backlash against Microsoft they decided against it.

 

[jschreier]

At the very least, you often see opinions from "games journalists" amended when there's a GAF consensus on a particular game/gaming related issue. This is usually then hidden behind the "It's just an opinion" excuse while they count the delicious profit from the add revenue they got and any other benefits from their PR friends (or just outright moneyhatting). Most recent example of this that springs to mind, would be Bioshock Infinite.

Really sharp and coherent post.

 

[John Harker]

There are quite a few community managers that post here.

Though "GAFs PoV" is becoming progressively more fringe as the industry changes. Which ultimately is increasing GAF membership I imagine, as other gaming traditionalists find it harder to find a voice so they rally to the biggest pond

 

[PoweredBySoy]

Not nearly as much as you'd like to believe

Truth hurts

 

[Elfteiroh]

Not nearly as much as you'd like to believe

I definitely makes some, but lately I feel people just go out of their way to try and have an impact or generally be an asshole to the "people in the industry" who try to post here

In a weird coincidence I find there are far fewer "people in the industry" who actually post here than when I first started on this board years ago....

Exactly those.
We make much more of an impact on the "Gaming journalists" than anything...

in my experience, NeoGaf isn't taken as seriously as it was once in "real life"..

 

[Whompa]

0%

Money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[10101]

No, it didn't. Sony was never going to do used game DRM. They made that clear at their reveal in February. Paranoid people just started freaking out and acting just in case. Then for some reason people were surprised that there was no DRM, despite the fact that we knew that since February.

They didn't make it clear. There was a Eurogamer interview where it was mentioned things would stay the same as they are, which Sony later started backtracking on. Plus insiders said they were wavering on the subject which is why the #ps4nodrm movement started.

It was definitely not clear.

 

[Vandole]

Not enough to get across the point that more people around here would enjoy a real Legacy of Kain title as opposed to what Nosgoth is.

 

[Wagram]

Relatively low. It's probably considered to an extent, but at the end of the day this is still just a board of comments.

 

[Haunted]

I think within the "core" industry we can be relatively influential (relative to other internet forums, that is), but for mobile or social or even handheld I think we're practically invisible.

And it would be the same thing the other way around if duckroll would stop making those troll ios announcement threads!

 

[Goldenroad]

1% roughly. Basically, when we influence each other to buy or not buy games we are having an impact on the industry as a whole, but if GAF went offline tomorrow, it would have almost no effect on the games being produced or sold in the coming years.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

It shouldn't have any....

The last people you should listen to as a developer are the noisy, foul mouthed vocal minority you find in such forums.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

More than would be expected from a community our size, but less than some of us probably think.

 

[Vlade]

neogaf serves as a news aggregate. In the sense that it drives what info people have, the influence, I believe, is noticeable. That does not mean neogaf chooses what effect it will have, but it often drives the effect. As far as internet echo chambers, it's got to be one of the strongest in gaming.

 

[ascii42]

Sony were never going to implement DRM I thought?

Might have played a role in MS changing their mind, actually. Eventually, that is.

It might have helped lead to Sony making a big deal about it at E3. Sony making it public there increase the awareness of the issue. Awareness of the issue lead to preorder numbers being overwhelmingly in Sony's favor. And that lead to MS's 180.

 

[The Albatross]

In so far as Kotaku just trawls gaf for multi-page debates and then turns them into stories on the Kotaku homepage... fairly decent.

I think Gaf is representative (or a thought leader) in the gaming hive mind. Not necessarily representative of gaming as a whole, but you'll see more "gaming social movements" seem to grow quickest on Gaf and then get exported elsewhere.

Not really the right place to ask, but what does NeoGAF mean or where did the name come from ?

Gaming Age Forum. The new one.

Hence also why if you go to the Off Topic/community forums, you'll see a lot of things like "Interest-Age Topic" See, "Toronto-Age" "Bicycle Age" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=20

 

[Acccent]

It only takes one relatively high-placed person to visit GAF and see a consensus for things to change.

The probability of that happening increases as gaf's notoriety as "a serious gaming forum" grows - people in the industry are passionate and they often look for places such as gaf even for their own "entertainment", not necessarily to poll public opinion, so they're naturally drawn to it.

 

[Moosichu]

It shouldn't have any....

The last people you should listen to as a developer are the noisy, foul mouthed vocal minority you find in such forums.

Luckily neogaf isn't 'such' a forum then. (well, most of the time. )

 

[Not Spaceghost]

gaming industry? 2% impact

gaming media? 36% impact

 

[dark_prinny]

Less relevant than we would want to. But we have a specific weight. Like it or not.

 

[10101]

Not really the right place to ask, but what does NeoGAF mean or where did the name come from ?

Wiki has all that covered

 

[inm8num2]

gaming industry? 2% impact

gaming media? 36% impact

Something like this. AAA developers only listen to what brings in the profits, understandaly so, but indie devs certainly seem to be in touch with what people say on forums and such.

But yea, I've seen plenty of articles cite information from GAF.

 

[Caayn]

Close to none. Sure there are some devs on here, but I think our influence as GAF alone is very, very small.

 

[Ovid]

The #PS4NODRM post changed the industry.

I then started a movement for us to buy the starter of that movement a PS4.

I was mercilessly ridiculed and downgraded to a Junior Member.

But that movement wasn't GAF created.

 

[GunBR]

gaming industry? 2% impact

gaming media? 36% impact

Industry yes, but I think the GAF has more influence with the media.

 

[djshauny]

None.

 

[ascii42]

But that movement wasn't GAF created.

It was a direct result of a famousmortimer post.

 

[Timeaisis]

I feel like GAF stuff is frequently reported on some sites, and that's when the develoeprs/publishers start paying attention. I doubt they are stalking GAF seeing what people have to say about their game. Except a few.

 

[e3m88]

nothing changes because GAF.

money talks all the way, and those pre orders number on the Xbone vs PS4 might have really hurt.

 

[GodofWine]

The fact MS sent their PR guy(s) to attempt to settle down the beast that is gaf, should say something.

 

[Gorillaz]

Not nearly as much as you'd like to believe

This

Ill say 35-40ish percent..maybe

Edit: talking media

 

[Haeralis The BRave]

They didn't make it clear. There was a Eurogamer interview where it was mentioned things would stay the same as they are, which Sony later started backtracking on. Plus insiders said they were wavering on the subject which is why the #ps4nodrm movement started.

It was definitely not clear.

No, it was pretty clear, it just required a little common sense and a little less panic. The Vita came out a year before, and they didn't take any initiatives to get rid of used games, so why would they do so with the PS4? And when asked back in February they said "Yes" people just started being way too literal minded and thought that "Yes, it would play used games" equated to "It could play them, BUT THEY NEVER SAID WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY!!"

 

[DangerStepp]

Judging by the popularity of the Wii when we decried motion controllers and the dismal sales of the WiiU when we claim how great it really is?

Very, very little if any impact at all.

Now, if we're talking gaming news then 100% impact. Kotaku would not exist without GAF; we're the host and they're the parasite.

 

[Relix]

Generally executives and the likes see us as whiny babies but with good points and good consensus we can definitely have an effect.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Haha it's basically just another forum, can't give ourselves too much credit.

As far as forums go though, it's pretty top tier

 

[WarMacheen]

I wish it was more than it is. At least we would have a way of directly influencing shitty business practices like DLC season passes and DLC content being announced way in advance for extra $$$

oh but the core game is what you are paying for, the DLC is optional.

I remember when the core game was actually everything, instead of withholding things or charging dumb ass prices for minimal content.

 

[Imperfected]

My feeling is that GAF is a pretty good place for "taking the temperature of the room", but more because it reflects the general tenor of the gaming hobby than because it informs it. The problem comes when people mistake causality on the whole thing: GAF reflects the opinions of gaming enthusiasts, not the other way around. That's what makes the astroturfing so bizzare; getting "good buzz" on GAF through deceit isn't going to do you any good, because it's not going to radiate back into the general population if it wasn't coming from them to begin with.

 

[Dawg]

I remember when the Kaz gifs made it worldwide. A lot of gaming sites were covering the thing.

Good times. Kotaku even mentioned me as the guy who started it all. Too bad my first .gif was not that good

 

[TacticalFox88]

Ask Adam Orth

 

[Crash Station]

Helpful for indie and smaller games (I'm sure 999's success had at least a little bit to do with GAF), but nothing massive outside that.

 

[RurouniZel]

Helpful for indie and smaller games (I'm sure 999's success had at least a little bit to do with GAF), but nothing massive outside that.

Definitely. I had never even heard of it, or Aksys I might add, until it was mentioned a lot on GAF.

 

[Interfectum]

Hardcore Gaming Media Impact: 100%

Hardcore Gaming Development as a result of above said impact: 54.21%

 

[Mollymauk]

zero point zero

 

[10101]

No, it was pretty clear, it just required a little common sense and a little less panic. The Vita came out a year before, and they didn't take any initiatives to get rid of used games, so why would they do so with the PS4? And when asked back in February they said "Yes" people just started being way too literal minded and thought that "Yes, it would play used games" equated to "It could play them, BUT THEY NEVER SAID WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY!!"

I disagree with that completely. Vita != PS4 and they did start to backtrack on that original statement whenever they were asked about it again, so I think there was some base for people to be concerned. The original statement was also amended a few days later to include the fact that 3rd parties could do as they liked on the PS4, so yes they could set up their own paywalls even if Sony wasn't (they still can I believe).

Also their main competitor decided to do it under (supposed) pressure from 3rd parties, there was every likelihood they could follow suit. Whilst I'm unsure of how much impact the #ps4nodrm campaign had within Sony, to say that there was no base for it because people weren't using common sense is just wrong IMO. Especially as Famousmortimer a known Sony insider was saying they were on the fence, hence the campaign.

 

[boi]

Probably almost no effect. People in the industry want to make rational decisions and a gaming forum is, even though GAF is of considerable size, not a mass indicator for their markets.

 

[Gamerloid]

Well, when we all get together and start sending messages on twitter for something one after another, we can make an impact.

 

[WolvenOne]

For the sake of humility, I'm going to say, not as much as you'd think.

 

[quickwhips]

You killed CliffyB.

 

[Punchpudding]

GAF saved the PS Vita from being shelved.