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How big of an impact does GAF make on the industry?
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Froyo Love
Banned
About as much as sincere letters have on public policy.
methane47
Member
LOL i think i need to finally take Red Faction out of the Plastic wrapping its been in for the last couple years!
PS. why do i have so many unplayed games?
LapinAgile
Member
In my experience I see a lot of overreaction to early news and then when changes happen which probably were in the pipeline anyway some folks claim it as influence. There are a few cases where there has been direct influence but on a whole I'd say it's pretty minor.
Not too catastrophically large, but bigger than any other general gaming forum out there I would think.
Judging from a few threads over the past while, there are quite a few devs that lurk and/or post on here secretly and anonymously, a lot more than what I used to think there was.
Judging from a few threads over the past while, there are quite a few devs that lurk and/or post on here secretly and anonymously, a lot more than what I used to think there was.
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=neogaf&t=1000&a=n
NeoGAF = "Fan Ego"
(joking)
FamousMortimer's campaign stands out as one of the best examples of things packing a punch.
For those saying "it's just another forum", feel free to post the NeoGAF-equivalents out there.
NeoGAF = "Fan Ego"
(joking)
FamousMortimer's campaign stands out as one of the best examples of things packing a punch.
For those saying "it's just another forum", feel free to post the NeoGAF-equivalents out there.
Stratostar
Member
If only it could... :/
hbkajshdvfbkjhvgkahsgdfka
Member
Okay.
lol what an arse hole.
I'd say it was pretty damn integral in the Xbone 180's.
Kageshinzo
Member
You seriously think the decision by Sony regarding their DRM policies which curbstomped the Xbox One on E3 and caused them to do a 180 was due to GAF? That's hilarious. EVERYONE knew Microsoft dun' goofed when Sony made their presentation. My Facebook blew up with Sony cheer and Microsoft mocking the moment their conference announced their stance on the subject. These are from gamers who don't even know GAF's existence.
As someone above said, NeoGAF has a presence, but it's considerably way less than major news aggregate sites like Reddit. People who think otherwise are in denial.
Cameron122
Member
Sometimes we are the Dan Hadouken.
Sometimes we are the Spirit Bomb.
Sometimes we are the Spirit Bomb.
I wish that were true. I like seeing my articles linked on GAF because the quality of discussion is better here than on most other sites, but the traffic is small potatoes for us.
DryvBy
Member
Philly Fishsteak
I wept. This is beautiful.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Sentenza
Member
You're my hero, Dennis.
0% and quite rightly so.
Yeah no, Sony was never going to add drm to the PS4 in the first place.
Yeah no, Sony was never going to add drm to the PS4 in the first place.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Companies jump to the easiest and often most stupid conclusions in response to lack of sales so I wouldn't even count that.
Atraveller
Banned
According to Steam JaseC is the guardian of the industry.
Angel Whispers
Member
Haha... Cute.
simplythebest
Banned
Don't let em get to you.
Each and every one of you has a very real impact on developers when you vote with your wallet. When you talk about how much you hate something, but then go and buy it, you are encouraging that business practice. Quite honestly the level of hostility found in these threads often gets your ideas dismissed as "That's just Gaf, they are small % of gamers purchasing our game". If Gaf genuinely wants to be recognized for more than just an angry mob on a forum, there would have to be some serious attitude adjustments. A good start would be to stop picking each other apart for having views divergent of your own.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Not much if at all. Plenty of other media sources actually have influence.
If one considers that the industry is constituted of people, some of which are on gaf, and read people's ideas as well as opinions, then I feel as if by passive influence there is to a degree influence being exerted over those people who will then go forth in their work with the acknowledgment of different perspectives on game development and design.
In short, GAF is as influential to the industry as it influences people who work in the industry, a hard metric to quantify.
In short, GAF is as influential to the industry as it influences people who work in the industry, a hard metric to quantify.
famousmortimer
Banned
I don't know a person in the industry who isn't acutely aware of what's of what's happening on gaf. Now whether they like or respect what is being said is less likely. But there's no way that with so many eyes on the place that it doesn't have an affect on the industry.
Also fuck all ya'll who are rewriting what we did with #ps4noDRM. Even Adam Boyes, going against what PR was spewing at the time, said we helped push the needle.
Don't make me go Phil Fish and request that you choke on things.
Also fuck all ya'll who are rewriting what we did with #ps4noDRM. Even Adam Boyes, going against what PR was spewing at the time, said we helped push the needle.
Don't make me go Phil Fish and request that you choke on things.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
In this era of focus groups and "demographics" I'm not sure how much impact they have on the big players as such.
I think NeoGaf has more of an impact in policing information surrounding the industry. By which I mean calling out exaggerated or just plain false claims. Other sites take notice of what NeoGaf says, and it is quoted often as a solid source of information.
Very few other sites have the knowledge or control to take a point to a reasonable conclusion without a discussion devolving into a "My Dad's bigger than your Dad" troll fest.
I think NeoGaf has more of an impact in policing information surrounding the industry. By which I mean calling out exaggerated or just plain false claims. Other sites take notice of what NeoGaf says, and it is quoted often as a solid source of information.
Very few other sites have the knowledge or control to take a point to a reasonable conclusion without a discussion devolving into a "My Dad's bigger than your Dad" troll fest.
They made nothing clear. All they said is "the PS4 will run used games". The Xbone could also run used games with the old policies... Sony never dismissed online games activation or used game fees before E3.
The no DRM hashtags and the shitstorm MS got definitely made an impact on both Sony's and Microsofts decisions.
Overall GAF is pretty influential on both the industry and the media (and via the media again influencial on the industry).
And you don't even want to know how many "journalists" use GAF and Reddit to get the latest news pretty quickly and all of a sudden forget where they got the info from
Adam Boyes said otherwise. Sony was leaning against using DRM, but it was a consideration. But hey, clearly you know better.
Regardless of whether people know about GAF, the whole noDRM movement was started here and did have an effect on Sony's decision and presentation, however small. If you read the noDRM movement thread (or even the final few pages), you'd see that.
And you have concrete proof of that where? It's amusing to see people still trying to say it was all worthless even after Boyes said it had an effect. There were naysayers before it started, there were tons during the movement, and it seems there are still many around now. Was its effect huge? No, it was minor, but more important than that is for once, gamers had a unified voice and were heard clearly beyond simply voting with their money. But I suppose that isn't worth much to people who sneer at the notion of a social movement in the video games industry.
Some posts here have nailed it already - GAF is just another forum, but it is one that has the eye of some devs and serves as a good measure of how a specific part of the gaming community feels. On occasion it does have some influence, though not much and certainly less than we'd like to think (and more than some others would like to believe).
From industry people that I've talked to, it probably doesn't have all that much effect on The Big 3 (then again, #PS4NODRM), but publishers and developers seem to really watch NeoGAF's reaction to announcements and such.
Always remember that someone has been cutting out huge chunks of time with their family and friends for the last 2 years to pour their soul into that game you just spent all day mocking.
Always remember that someone has been cutting out huge chunks of time with their family and friends for the last 2 years to pour their soul into that game you just spent all day mocking.
bigboss370
Member
imagine a meter that goes from 0 to 100, and Sony is the needle that fluctuates on the meter.
0 = no drm
100 = drm
Sony were at 20, then the #ps4nodrm campaign made them go to 0 and ended discussion on the matter.
famousmortimer
Banned
I don't know where you are pulling those numbers out of your ass from. We have what Boyes and others said as proof. But I'll also add my reputation to the mix. The link in my tag will lead you to the post. In the post I mention that Sony had a completely offline RFID-like solution for drm. They were still up in the air about using it until Microsoft announced their drm and the Internet in general reacted strongly against it which started to push them away from using it.
Now... if #ps4noDRM doesn't happen maybe the noise still stays at a high level and Sony still decides to nix it. Or maybe like most controversy in this industry it would have lasted for about 4 days and died down and Sony and Microsoft would be in a completely different place right now. It's almost impossible to know the truth but what i do know and what i'm most proud of is that we made DRM a huge issue. It was covered on over 250 sites. I was doing interviews with the goddamn wall Street journal. It became a Huge issue. Without us I don't think it does. And maybe Sony drops it on their own, maybe they don't - who knows.
Now you may be thinking "why should I believe you that they were leaning towards it or even have this RFID-like drm solution? And that's where I counter with my credibility. I was 12/15 (with 2 still tbd) on xbox one games at e3. I was 4/4 at the ps4 reveal. I was the only motherfucker on the planet before gamescom saying the ps4 wasn't coming out in October even when cboat, Verendus and others were certain of it. I have a long track record of insider info that had been correct. I believe that this is also and I believe that the hard work of a lot of people on this forum (and beyond) made a difference.
Now... if #ps4noDRM doesn't happen maybe the noise still stays at a high level and Sony still decides to nix it. Or maybe like most controversy in this industry it would have lasted for about 4 days and died down and Sony and Microsoft would be in a completely different place right now. It's almost impossible to know the truth but what i do know and what i'm most proud of is that we made DRM a huge issue. It was covered on over 250 sites. I was doing interviews with the goddamn wall Street journal. It became a Huge issue. Without us I don't think it does. And maybe Sony drops it on their own, maybe they don't - who knows.
Now you may be thinking "why should I believe you that they were leaning towards it or even have this RFID-like drm solution? And that's where I counter with my credibility. I was 12/15 (with 2 still tbd) on xbox one games at e3. I was 4/4 at the ps4 reveal. I was the only motherfucker on the planet before gamescom saying the ps4 wasn't coming out in October even when cboat, Verendus and others were certain of it. I have a long track record of insider info that had been correct. I believe that this is also and I believe that the hard work of a lot of people on this forum (and beyond) made a difference.
d00d3n
Member
In general, video game companies can safely ignore neogaf without any direct consequences for business. If a game is well marketed and advertised it will make money irrespective of what neogaf (or any other single forum/gaming site) thinks about it.
If, on the other hand, you work in the industry and want to see your game immortalized/considered worthy by hardcore gamers, that is not something your marketing or advertising departments can help you with.
In my opinion, neogaf plays an important role as an arbiter of the quality/originality of video games. It is tempting to trivialize our influence here (because we don't want to be dicks) and point to measurable/quantifiable examples of influence such as the news aggregation or the gif factory instead, but I honestly think the arbiter function is more important.
If, on the other hand, you work in the industry and want to see your game immortalized/considered worthy by hardcore gamers, that is not something your marketing or advertising departments can help you with.
In my opinion, neogaf plays an important role as an arbiter of the quality/originality of video games. It is tempting to trivialize our influence here (because we don't want to be dicks) and point to measurable/quantifiable examples of influence such as the news aggregation or the gif factory instead, but I honestly think the arbiter function is more important.