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How common is steroid use in the NFL?

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shawn merriman was suspended by the NFL for 4 games today because of steroid use. i'm sure you all know that by now, but it got me thinking how many players in the NFL use steroids. people give barry bonds shit, but the simple fact of the matter is that there are a great deal of players in the NFL who are a lot bigger than bonds, even some WR's or CB's.

so what percentage of NFL players do you think take steroids and do you think the NFL covers it up for the sake of a better game? clearly there has to be some steroid usage in the NFL. you don't get as big as some of these dudes without some help.
 
Probably something lower than you'd expect. I'd expect high usage for painkillers or coke/pot/etc, but I can't imagine you need roids to slam into a guy for 5 seconds and then stand around for 5 minutes while we line up again. You just need to slam a bunch of food.
 
bjork said:
Probably something lower than you'd expect. I'd expect high usage for painkillers or coke/pot/etc, but I can't imagine you need roids to slam into a guy for 5 seconds and then stand around for 5 minutes while we line up again. You just need to slam a bunch of food.
*insert mega rolleyes here*
 
Its funny, because of this were an MLB player the calibur of a Shawn Merriman its all we would be seeing on ESPN for the next week--where as Merriman just got a small blurb on Sportscenter. In all likely hood no-one will even remember this after the season is over.

Its all for the best that no one gives a **** about steroid use in football , because it would suck to have my favorite sport overshadowed by steroid controversy.
 
Sure, players try, but think percentage is not as large as MLB. NFL and NBA have had random testing done by independent company for long time now. Would be hard to coverup with system they have in place now.
 
I'd suspect that there'd have to be a lot of use.

Those boys are just too BIG and FAST not to be using something. Sub 5.0sec 40s for 300lb dudes isn't natural.

They are probably past steroids though. Human Growth Hormone and other untestable substances are probably more widely used than steriods.
 
I dunno... I think the NFL substance abuse policy is fantastic, and the only way the numbers are extremely high is if hiding steroid use is still as easy as it used to be (or at least purportedly used to be in terms of the whole Barry Bonds situation, etc.).

IIRC, a lot of the substances banned under the steroid policy include stuff that doesn't illegally enhance performance, but also things such as masking agents. So if you're taking something that causes that flag to go up, you're in trouble (although, from the looks of the Merriman report on ESPN, that's not the case here).

Frankly, I think a lot of the biggest talents in the league aren't using ... you read about their training regimens in the offseason and you realize what sort of commitment these guys are making to keep their bodies in top shape (nevermind a guy like Terrell Owens, who has his own personal hyperbaric chamber). That doesn't mean they can't be using, but I do think it explains the extreme fitness of many in the NFL. I've seen quotes from several ex-greats who have said offseason workouts were nothing like they are today.

As a guy who likes Merriman, I find this latest case disappointing. But at least he's not a thug like Bill Romanowski. Anyone who dips below the bar set by Romanowski.... well, wow. :)
 
I'd say steroid use in the NFL is still fairly common, as every year we get a few guys suspended. There were a number of Raiders who were mentioned in the Balco scandel as well, but it didn't make the headlines the way the baseball player's names did. Merriman claims to have an explanation, which should be interesting. Floyd Landis claimed to have an explanation as well.

I think the baseball steriod use gets more headlines for a couple of reasons. First, it's taken MLB a lot longer to implement a decent testing program, where as the NFL has had one for years. You can argue whether or not it's effective, but at least they've been actively trying to test. It's often like trying to hit a moving target though as new designer drugs become available.

The other reason baseball makes the headlines for steriod use is because that game, unlike any other, is all about the numbers. Stats are everything, and when guys start blowing away old, hallowed records, it makes people question what is going on and the integrity of the game.

As for someone saying football players don't need steriods because they "slam into someon for five seconds and stand around for five minutes" is just so stupid on so many levels. In fact, you could make a case for steriods being needed more in football than any other sport thanks to the physical demands of the game. Strength and speed are both more of integral part of the game than in any other major sport.
 
bjork said:
Probably something lower than you'd expect. I'd expect high usage for painkillers or coke/pot/etc, but I can't imagine you need roids to slam into a guy for 5 seconds and then stand around for 5 minutes while we line up again. You just need to slam a bunch of food.
or slam a Dew
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was over 50%, but honestly I really don't care. I think steroids are an overblown, overhyped issue. Make roid mandatory, I say! I want to see 3.9 40s and 500 pound lineman!
 
nobody on the Redskins does steroids. Gibbs does weekly piss tests. And he doesn't send it to some lab, he DRINKS the urine, he can just tell by the taste if someone is on the roids.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
nobody on the Redskins does steroids. Gibbs does weekly piss tests. And he doesn't send it to some lab, he DRINKS the urine, he can just tell by the taste if someone is on the roids.

I don't think anyone ever suspected that the Redskins are on steroids.
 
I'm in the camp of people who believe it's pretty high.

There are way too many freakishly strong safeties, linebackers, and defensive linemen these days.

I also don't get why NFL players seem to get away with so much more in terms of violence, drug abuse, and general bad behavior than say NBA or NFL players.
 
I'd say it's decently high, but the fact that they were willing to bust Merriman shows the NFL definately tries.

He was getting a pretty big name and there was talk he was the new best defensive player in the NFL. ESPN was already breaking out the helping charity stories and homeless shelters. I'd say he's one of the last guys in the league they would want to get caught, and most of the rest would be Offensive players (Favre, Peyton)
 
Doesn't taking steroids make you more injury prone, muscle tears, that kind of thing? Wouldn't that be disasterous in a tough contact sport?
 
LakeEarth said:
Doesn't taking steroids make you more injury prone, muscle tears, that kind of thing? Wouldn't that be disasterous in a tough contact sport?

The long term effects can indeed cause those kinds of issues, which is why you have seen some athletes who over indulge start to breakdown, especially later in their career.

bluemax said:
I also don't get why NFL players seem to get away with so much more in terms of violence, drug abuse, and general bad behavior than say NBA or NFL players.

What exactly do you mean "get away with"? Plenty of NFL guys get into trouble, and have to either serve their time, do community service, or what ever. It's not like they get out of trouble because the play in the NFL. I'm also assuming you're comparing this to the NBA and MLB. Not sure where you are getting this attitude though.
 
HGH is probably A LOT more common than actual steroids in the NFL, since for the most part it servest he same purpose and there is no testing for it yet.
 
I'm sure steroid use on the road to the NFL is much more prolific than it is in the NFL. What I mean by that is, if players juice through all of highschool and college, they won't need the supplements, or need them as much, when they finally hit the pros. I'd imagine a notable spike in offseason use isn't atypical, either.
 
Ristamar said:
I'm sure steroid use on the road to the NFL is much more prolific than it is in the NFL. What I mean by that is, if players juice through all of highschool and college, they won't need the supplements, or need them as much, when they finally hit the pros. I'd imagine a notable spike in offseason use isn't atypical, either.

I don't think guys who have to roid their way into the NFL can suddenly stop. If anything, college players would be more desperate for an edge once they try to play at the highest level. More often than not, elite college players from big time college programs bust out of the NFL. It's not like you can rest on your laurels once you're drafted.

Pro Sports are full of guys who absolutely dominated in the high school level, probably without the use of steroids. They are freaks of nature, and look like a man among boys on the field. I read an article or something some where that said roids are like an "ace in the hole" for athletes. I suppose that there are a ton of nobody high school scrubs roiding up so they can win the homecoming game their senior year, but I really doubt the guys that are using their 'Ace" to earn their way off the JV team are going to even be recruited by a Division I college program.

Let's face it, an awful lot of being a professional athlete is having superior genetics. Napolean Dynamite can't roid himself into a professional linebacker.
 
Slo said:
I don't think guys who have to roid their way into the NFL can suddenly stop. If anything, college players would be more desperate for an edge once they try to play at the highest level. More often than not, elite college players from big time college programs bust out of the NFL. It's not like you can rest on your laurels once you're drafted.

Pro Sports are full of guys who absolutely dominated in the high school level, probably without the use of steroids. They are freaks of nature, and look like a man among boys on the field. I read an article or something some where that said roids are like an "ace in the hole" for athletes. I suppose that there are a ton of nobody high school scrubs roiding up so they can win the homecoming game their senior year, but I really doubt the guys that are using their 'Ace" to earn their way off the JV team are going to even be recruited by a Division I college program.

Let's face it, an awful lot of being a professional athlete is having superior genetics. Napolean Dynamite can't roid himself into a professional linebacker.

Agreed. I was looking at Julius Peppers bio last night and from HS to College he dominated in 2 sports...Im sure that was just god given talent + unmatched speed for his size.
 
PipBoy said:
Just take a look at their average lifespan, it's even shorter than cyclists.

Possible contributing factors:
- Being repeated pummeled by 11 large angry men, over and over and over, for 6 months out of the year, during the prime years of your life.
- The use of Voodoo magic to keep players with substantial injuries on the field week in, week out.
- Encouragement to spend the prime years of your life at 330+ pounds
- The nightclub ifestyle that is allowed to young, rich, and famous athletes.
 
Slo said:
Possible contributing factors:
- Being repeated pummeled by 11 large angry men, over and over and over, for 6 months out of the year, during the prime years of your life.
While ignorant rugby fans think they're special for not wearing pads.
 
Way more than you would want to really know.

They still don't test for HGH. And they don't test for more than half of the masking agents. And most smart athletes are using designer drugs now which are not even known by the testing agencies.


I would think that more than 60% of all players use occasionally. 90% of athletes recovery from injury. And 85% of speed/power positions.
Yes these are all guesses. But seeing David Boston up here in Canada a couple of summers ago wasn't because he was sight-seeing. It is well known in the performance-supplement community that there are several very good designer steroid scientists in Alberta.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
The long term effects can indeed cause those kinds of issues, which is why you have seen some athletes who over indulge start to breakdown, especially later in their career.

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**gets nervous**
 
Nameless said:
HGH is probably A LOT more common than actual steroids in the NFL, since for the most part it servest he same purpose and there is no testing for it yet.

HGH makes a player big and cut, but it doesn't increase strength or speed.
 
DJ Sl4m said:
HGH makes a player big and cut, but it doesn't increase strength or speed.

Because increased muscle mass doesn't increase speed and strength? WTF are you talking about?
 
HGH is big in the NFL. Real Sports did a whole report on it where they interviewed a bunch of players and this doctor in Hawaii that prescribes it to players without even seeing them.
 
Slo said:
Because increased muscle mass doesn't increase speed and strength? WTF are you talking about?

HGH increases the size of muscle bellies, but the route it takes to grow them is very unlike steroids.
Strength gained is not proportional to the muscle size increase, it's common knowledge that HGH increases muscle size drastically without adding strength.
 
DJ Sl4m said:
HGH increases the size of muscle bellies, but the route it takes to grow them is very unlike steroids.
Strength gained is not proportional to the muscle size increase, it's common knowledge that HGH increases muscle size drastically without adding strength.

Documentation please. Common knowledge my ass.

Steroids differ from HGH in that steroids will promote hypertrophy of existing muscle cells, while HGH can infact create new muscle cells in the body as well as increasing fat metabolism. But please explain to me why more muscle mass does not equal better performance. Tell me how "HGH muscle" can't be used for contracting against resistance, just like the good old fashioned stuff. Show me one example of a person who abused HGH, got massive and ripped, but now are less able to move their own bodyweight around because of all that "useless" muscle that they're carrying around. You can't, because you're wrong.

Muscle is muscle. Increasing muscle mass increases performance. End of story.
 
Slo said:
Documentation please. Common knowledge my ass.

Steroids differ from HGH in that steroids will promote hypertrophy of existing muscle cells, while HGH can infact create new muscle cells in the body as well as increasing fat metabolism. But please explain to me why more muscle mass does not equal better performance. Tell me how "HGH muscle" can't be used for contracting against resistance, just like the good old fashioned stuff. Show me one example of a person who abused HGH, got massive and ripped, but now are less able to move their own bodyweight around because of all that "useless" muscle that they're carrying around. You can't, because you're wrong.

Muscle is muscle. Increasing muscle mass increases performance. End of story.

I'm not wrong, but I didn't make myself clear enough.
A person will get stronger while taking HGH, but it's unlike steroids where steroids make a person stronger and more aggresive, HGH similarly to deca improves strength by healing and strengthing joints, tendons and ligaments.

By itself HGH is almost useless and very expensive, taken with a strong steroid and insulin or an insu;lin mimicker it's another story.

Most of what i've learned about HGH has been real world useage by firneds, i've never tried it, but I honestly would love to.

HGH just like steroids studys was all but stopped a long time ago, so net proof is minimal either way, but I can offer this enlightenment.
I can't give you the link to the site, but if you truly understand how HGH works you would understand that it's not muscle tissue getting so much stronger,the muscles expand because of the 192 amino acids effects repeiring ability in such short time spans, it's faster recovery.
With steroids you get stronger at a faster rate than you grow, with HGH it's opposite, but in both you will get stronger and grow.

I know I wasn't clear enough, but I never figured someone to try to argue it so agrresively for no reason.

anyway here:
Substance: Somatotropine

As with no other doping drug, growth hormones are still surrounded by an aura of mystery. Some call it a wonder drug which causes gigantic strength and muscle gains in the shortest time. Others consider it completely useless in improving sports performance and argue that it only promotes the growth process in children with an early stunting of growth. Some are of the opinion that growth hormones in adults cause severe bone deformities in the form of overgrowth of the lowerjaw and extremities. And, generally speaking, which growth hormones should one take the human form, the synthetically manufactured version, recombined or genetically produced form and in which dosage? All this controversy about growth hormones is so complex that the reader must have some basic information in order to understand them.

The growth hormones is a polypeptide hormone consisting of 191 amino acids. In humans it is produced in the hypophysis and released if there are the right stimuli (e.g. training, sleep, stress, low blood sugar level). It is now important to understand that the freed HGH (human growth hormones) itself has no direct effect but only stimulates the liver to produce and release insulin-like growth factors and somatomedins. These growth factors are then the ones that cause various effects on the body. The problem, however, is that the liver is only capable of producing a limited amount of these substances so that the effect is limited. If growth hormones are injected they only stimulate the liver to produce and release these substances and thus, as already mentioned, have no direct effect.

The use of these STH somatotropic hormone compounds offers the athlete three performance-enhancing effects. STH (somatotropic hormone) has a strong anabolic effect and causes an increased protein synthesis which manifests itself in a muscular hypertrophy (enlargement of muscle cells) and in a muscular hyperplasia (increase of muscle cells.) The latter is very interesting since this increase cannot be obtained by the intake of steroids. This is probably also the reason why STH is called the strongest anabolic hormone. The second effect of STH is its pronounced influence on the burning of fat. It turns more body fat into energy leading to a drastic reduction in fat or allowing the athlete to increase his caloric intake. Third, and often overlooked, is the fact that STH strengthens the connective tissue, tendons, and cartilages which are the main reasons for the significant increase in strength experienced by many athletes.

You will say that this sounds just wonderful. What is the problem, however since there are still some who argue that STH offers nothing to athletes? There are, by all means, several athletes who have tried STH and who were sadly disappointed by its results. However, as with many things in life, there is a logical explanation or perhaps even more than one: 1. The athlete simply has not taken a sufficient amount of STH regularly and over a long enough period of time. STH is a very expensive compound and an effective dosage is unaffordable by most people. 2. When using STH the body also needs more thyroid hormones,insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolics. This is also the reason why STH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular. But we must point out in this case that STH has a predominantly anabolic effect. There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are STH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place.'Are you still wondering why pro bodybuilders are so incredibly massive but, at the same time, totally ripped while you are not. Most athletes have tried STH during preparation for a competition in that phase when the diet is calorie-reduced.

The body usually reacts by reducing the release of insulin and of the L-T3 thyroid hormone. And, as was described under point 2, this is not an advantageous condition when STH is expected to work well. Well, we almost forgot. Those who combine Clenbuterol with STH, should know that Clenbuterol (like Ephedrine) reduces the body's own release of insulin and L-T3. True, this seems a little complicated and when reading it for the first time it might be a little confusing; however it really is true: STH has a significant influence on several hormones in the human body; this does not allow for a simple administration schedule. As said, STH is not cheap and those who intend to use it should know a little more about it. If you only want to burn fat with STH you will only have to remember user information for the part with the L-T3 thyroid hormone as is printed by Kabi Pharmacia GmbH for their compound Genotropin: "The need of the thyroid hormone often inereases during treatment with growth hormones."3. Since most athletes vho want to use STH can only obtain it if prescribed by a physician, the only supply source remains the black market. And this is certainly another reason why some athletes might not have been very happy with the effect of the purchased compound. How could he, if cheap HCG was passed off as expensive STH? Since both compounds are available as dry substances, all that would be needed is a new label of Serono's Saizen or Lilly's Humatrope on the HCG ampule. It is no longer fun when somebody is paying $200 for 5000 I.U. of HCG, only worth $ 12, and thinking that he just purchased 4 I.U. of STH. And if you think this happens only to novices and to the ignorant, ask Ben Johnson. "Big Ben," who during three tests within five days showed an above-limit testosterone level, was not a victim of his own stupidity but more likely the victim of fraud. According to statistics by the German Drug Administration, 42% of the HGH vials confiscated on the North American black market are fakes. In addition to a display of labels in the Dutch or Russian language the fakes are distinguished from the original product, in sofar as the dry substance is not present as lyophilic but present as loose powder. The fakes confiscated so far use the name "Humatrope 16" under the name of Lilly Company (with Dutch denomination) or "Somatogen" (in Russian)." Nowhere can this much money be made except by faking STH. Who has ever held original growth hormones in his hand and known how they should look?4. In a few very rare cases the body reacts by developing antibodies to the exogenous STH, thus making it ineffective. The question of the right dosage, as well as the type and duration of application, is very difficult to answer. Since there is no scientificresearch showing how STH should be taken for performance improvement, we can only rely on empirical data, that is experimental values. The respective manufacturers indicate that in cases of hypophysially stunted growth due to lacking or insuffieient release of growt hormones by the hypophysis, a weekly average dose of 0.3 I.U/ week per pound of body weight should be taken. An athlete weighting 200 pounds, therefore, would have to inject 60 I.U. weekly. The dosage would be divided into three intramuscular injections of 20 I.U. each. Subcutaneous injections (under the skin) are another form of intake which, however would have to be injected daily, usually 8 I.U. per day. Top athletes usually inject 4-16 I.U./day. Ordinarily, daily subcutaneous injections are preferred. Since STH has a half life time of less than one hour, it is not surprising that some athletes divide their dail dose into three or four subcutaneous injections of 2-4 I.U. each. Application of regular small dosages seems to bring the most effective results. This also has its reasons: When STH is injected, serum concentration in the blood rises quickly, meaning that the effect is almost immediate. As we know, STH stimulates the liver to produce and release somatomedins and insulin like growth factors which in turn effect the desired results in the body. Since the liver can only produce a limited amount of these substances, we doubt that larger STH injections will induce the liver to produce instantaneously a larger quantity of somatomedins and insulin-like growth factors. It seems more likely that the liver will react more favorably to smaller dosages. If the STH solution is injected subcutaneously several consecutive times at the same point of injection, a loss of fat tissue is possible. Therefore, the point of injection, or even better, the entire sisde of the body should be continuously, changed in order to avoid a loss of local fat tissue (lipoathrophy) in the injection cell. One thing has manifested itself over the years: The effect of STH is dosage-dependent. This means either invest a lot of money and do it right or do not even begin. Half-hearted attempts are condemned to failure Minimum effective dosages seem to start at 4 I.U. per day. For comparison: the hypophysis of a healthy; adult, releases 0.5-1.5 I.U. growth hormones daily.

The duration of intake usually depends on the athlete's financial resources. Our experience is that STH is taken over a prolonged period, from at least six weeks to several months. It is interesting to note that the effect of STH does not stop after a few weeks; this usually allows for continued improvements at a steady dosage. Bodybuilders who have had positive results with STH have reported that the build-up strength and, in particular, the newly-gained muscle system were essentially maintained after discontinuance of the product. It remains to be clarified what happens with the insulin and LT-3 thyroid hormone. Athletes who take STH in their build-up phase usually do not need exogenous insulin. It is recommended, in this case, that the athlete eats a complete meal every three hours, resulting in 6-7 meals day. This causes the body to continuously release insulin so that the blood sugar level does not fall too low. The use of LT-3 thyroid hormones, in this phase, is carried out reluctantly by athletes. In any case, you must have a physician check the thyroid hormone level during the intake of STH. Simultaneous use of anabolic /androgenic steroids and/or Clenbuterol is usually appropriate. During the preparation for a competition the use of thyroid hormones steadily inereases. Sometimes insulin is taken together with STH, as well as with steroids and Clenbuterol. Apart from the high damage potential that exogenous insulin can have in non-diabetics, incorrect use will simply and plainly make you "FAT! Too much insulin activates certain enzymes which convert glucose into glycerol and finally into triglyceride. Too little insulin, especially during a diet, reduces the anabolic effect of STH. The solution to this dilemma? Visiting a qualified physician who advises the athlete during this undertaking and who, in the event of exogenous insulin supply, checks the blood sugar level and urine periodically. According to what we have heard so far, athletes usually inject intermediately-effective insulin having a maximum duration of effect of 24 hours once a day. Human insulin such as Depot-H-Insulin Hoechst is generally used. Briefly-effective insulin with a maximum duration of effect of eight hours is rarely used by athletes. Again a human insulin such as H-Insulin Hoechst is preferred. The undesired effect of growth hormones, the so-called side effects, are also a very interesting and hotly-discussed issue. Above all it must be said: STH has none of the typical side effects of anabolic/androgenic steroids including reduced endogenous testosterone production, acne, hair loss, aggressiveness, elevated estrogen level, virilization symptoms in women, and increased water and salt retention. The main side effects that are possible with STH are an abnormally small concentration of glucose in the blood (hypoglycemia) and an inadequate thyroid function. In some cases antibodies against growth hormones are developed but are clinically irrelevant. What about the horror stories about acromegaly, bone deformation, heart enlargement, organ conditions, gigantism, and early death? In order to answer this question a clear differentiation must be made between humans before and after puberty. The growth plates in a person continue to grow in length until puberty. After puberty neither an endogenous hypersection of growth hormones nor an excessive exogenous supply of STH can cause additional growth in the length of the bones. Abnormal size (gigantism) initially goes hand in hand with remarkable body strength and muscular hardness in the afflicted; later, if left untreated, it ends in weakness and death. Again, this is only possible in pre-pubescent humans who also suffer from an inadequate gonadal function (hypogonadism). Humans who suffer from an endogenous hypersecrehon after puberty and whose normal growth is completed can also suffer from acromegaly. Bones become wider but not longer. There is a progressive growth in the hands and feet and enlargement of features due to the growth of the lower jaw and nose. What the authorities like to do now is to present extreme cases of athletes suffering from these malfunctions in order to discourage others and to drum into athletes the fact that with the exogenous supply of growth hormones they would suffer the same destiny. This, however, is very unlikely, as reality has proven. Among the numerous athletes using STH comparatively few are seven feet tall Neanderthalers with a protruded lower jaw, deformed skull, claw like hands, thick lips, and prominent bone plates who walk around in size 25 shoes. In order to avoid any misunderstandings, we do not want to disguise the possible risks of exogenous STH use in adults and healthy humans, but one should at least try to be openminded. Acromegaly, diabpetes, thyroid insuficiency, heart muscle hypertrophy, high blood ressure, and enlargement of the kidneys are theoretically possible if STH is used excessively over prolonged periods of time; however, in reality and particularly when it comes to the external attributes, these are rarely present. Some athletes report headaches, nausea, vomiting, and visual disturbances during the first weeks of intake. These symptoms disappear in most cases even with continued intake. The most common problems with STH occur when the athlete intends to inject insulin in addition to STH. The substance somatropin is available as a dried powder and before injecting it must be mixed with the enclosed solution-containing ampule. The ready solution must be injected immediately or stored in the refrigerator for up to 24 hours. It is usually recommended that the compound be stored in the refrigerator. With the exception of the remedy Saizen the biological activity of growth hormones is usually not impaired when storing the dry substance at 15-25 C (room temperature); however, a cooler place (2-8° C) is preferable.On the black market the price for 4 I.U. each of the compounds Genotropin, Humatrope, Norditropin, and Saizen, in Europpe is $80-120 for a prick-through vial including the solution ampule. As already mentioned, there are many fakes. It is noted that for the U.S.-American growth hormones compounds, the substance content is not given in I.U.(International Units) but in mg (milligrams).

Since l mg corresponds to exactly 2.7 I.U. the 5mg solution of the compound Humatrope by Lilly contains exactl 13.5 I.U. of Somatropin. The 10 mg solution of the Protropin compound by the Genentech therefore contains 27 I.U. of Somatropin. In American powerlifting and bodybuilding circles Humatrope is usually preferred over Protropin. The reason is that Humatrope is synthesized from a chain of 191 amino acids and thus is identical to the amino acid sequence of the human growth hormones. Protropin, on the other hand, consists of 192 amino acids, one amino acid too many. This might be the explanation for why more antibodies are developed with Protropin than with Humatrope. growth hormones are on the doping list but they are not yet detectable during doping tests.
 
i think it's probably very high... much higher than any of us are likely to suspect. human kind has always shown it will do whatever it takes for money, power, pride and glory. and the nfl offers them all at once. it's just too tempting.
 
DJ Sl4m said:
I'm not wrong, but I didn't make myself clear enough.
A person will get stronger while taking HGH, but it's unlike steroids where steroids make a person stronger and more aggresive, HGH similarly to deca improves strength by healing and strengthing joints, tendons and ligaments.

By itself HGH is almost useless and very expensive, taken with a strong steroid and insulin or an insu;lin mimicker it's another story.

Most of what i've learned about HGH has been real world useage by firneds, i've never tried it, but I honestly would love to.

HGH just like steroids studys was all but stopped a long time ago, so net proof is minimal either way, but I can offer this enlightenment.
I can't give you the link to the site, but if you truly understand how HGH works you would understand that it's not muscle tissue getting so much stronger,the muscles expand because of the 192 amino acids effects repeiring ability in such short time spans, it's faster recovery.
With steroids you get stronger at a faster rate than you grow, with HGH it's opposite, but in both you will get stronger and grow.

I know I wasn't clear enough, but I never figured someone to try to argue it so agrresively for no reason.

anyway here:


I argue so aggressively because of all the roids!

I'll agree with you. HGH does provide a performance increase to the user when stacked with insulin (which it commonly is). Whether that performance increase is greater, less, or just plain different was besides my point.

Sorry for being an asshole.
 
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