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How did early Humans manage to actually migrate from Africa...

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Looking back at the first page is funny, with people making fun of OP because they ask about a not so obvious subject. In retrospect, I'd much rather have a genuinely curious person ask about a subject they don't know about than people making bullshit claims about Pangea that basically show they're utterly clueless about a basic timescale of this world's history.

Lots of Wikipedia grads in this thread.
If only. Wikipedia has better info than whatever a number of people seem to be remembering from these classes they did or did not attend.
 
Although I'm not positive, I'm pretty sure (about 80%) that Bill & Ted's wacky time travel adventures were the ultimate source of human migration.
 
This is a funny thread.

It's really not funny at all.

People troll too much on the internet. There's already way too much of an echo chamber surroundings falsehoods (Moon landings being fake, Obama's birth certificate, global warming deniers), all the trolls do is muddy the waters even further by spreading misinformation without making it clear that it's bullshit.

The sheer volume of pangaea posts in this thread that perpetuate the myth in a sarcastic manner (which is ambiguous in text form) isn't helping.

Shoot falsehoods down. Don't legitimize them.
 
I do have to admit that I liked this post:

One day a Human was looking at the Atlantic Ocean and he said to himself "This thing's too big for me to cross." Then he saw a huge Dinosaur taking a leisurely swim, so he called over "Hey Dinosaur, gimme a ride to the other side?" The Dinosaur said "What do you think I am, stupid? You're a human. You're gonna spear me in the back of the neck." The Human said "No way. That doesn't even make sense. If I spear you, how am I gonna get across to America?" The Dinosaur thought about it for a minute, then said "Hop on." Halfway across the Atlantic, the Human speared the Dinosaur in the back of the neck. "WTF you psycho? Now we're both gonna die" said the Dinosaur. The Human shrugged. "I'm a Human. Spearing Dinosaurs is what I do."

Amidst all the bad "hur hur Imma troll u so hard!"-comments we've had it's a nice little distraction.
 
How could the continents move so far in 6000 years? if they did though it could be right.




The Dr Alice Roberts documentary is good, I had a thing for her during her studenty red phase.
 
Not just Homo Sapiens either. Other hominid species also made it out of Africa. There are even some suggestions that Homo Erectus may have been able to travel over water with rafts.
 
Ultimately this thread is a good indicator of just how narrow our field of vision is regarding the sheer depth of history and how things changed, not at once but over huge swaths of time. We're so accustomed to immediacy, it's like we've no conception for how long thousands of years really is - even ignoring going way further back, to Pangaea and such.

We also tend to assume that the people from that time period were lesser, when the only thing separating them from us is thousands of years' worth of advancement to build upon.
 
What I don't understand is not how aboriginals got to Australia, its how they became so isolated after they settled. I would think if you come from one place and move to another you'd keep in contact with that other place for trade or something like that.

Smoke signals and tin cans with string can only do so much.
 
It's really not funny at all.

People troll too much on the internet. There's already way too much of an echo chamber surroundings falsehoods (Moon landings being fake, Obama's birth certificate, global warming deniers), all the trolls do is muddy the waters even further by spreading misinformation without making it clear that it's bullshit.

The sheer volume of pangaea posts in this thread that perpetuate the myth in a sarcastic manner (which is ambiguous in text form) isn't helping.

Shoot falsehoods down. Don't legitimize them.

OP asked a question on GAF. If he wants real information he would have just google'd it. Yahoo Answers is the only place to find the truth. Everyone knows that.
 
It's amazing how recently Egypt's climate changed.

Velociraptors>triceratops
Dude, no. The poor little dinosaurs would be crushed instantly. :(
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OP asked a question on GAF. If he wants real information he would have just google'd it. Yahoo Answers is the only place to find the truth. Everyone knows that.

I'm not talking about the OP, or even jwk94 (who made the honest mistake of thinking pangaea existed a few hundred thousand years ago). I'm talking about 95% of the other pangaea posts. People who know pangaea is not the right answer, but present it as such in some kind of terrible attempt at satire that has the opposite effect
 
Plus the Sahara was still there and we were far less advanced in both reasoning and technology.

Nope, at least not according to this guy:

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I'm not talking about the OP, or even jwk94 (who made the honest mistake of thinking pangaea existed a few hundred thousand years ago). I'm talking about 95% of the other pangaea posts. People who know pangaea is not the right answer, but present it as such in some kind of terrible attempt at satire that has the opposite effect

Idk most the posts made me laugh tbh.
 
Some of these replies are making my head hurt. The ice age made the link between Russia and The Americas.

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The way Hawaiians came to be is a fascinating story worth reading into.
 
So you expect me to believe that the Aborigines sailed thousands of miles across the ocean (in numbers great enough to sustain a population) and then promptly lost all knowledge of seafaring? You can't explain that.

Not promptly. Over the course of tens of thousands of years. I think it's kind of hard to grasp that because it's a period longer than the entire history of civilization.
 
Keep in mind, when we're talking about polynesian navigators, we're talking about people from 1500-6000 years ago where water levels were lower. There were likely SOME small islands spread throughout the pacific ocean that are now underwater reefs.

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It's not that hard to see how seamen could gradually populate these islands, especially if there were more islands and larger landmasses. Some may have even made their way to south america.

Every green dot is land. And that's a modern day map.
 
It's really depressing that so many people thing "IT WAS ONE CONTINENT" is the answer.

Is it really their faults or is it the education system? In my own experience, this was never taught to me, I had to find it on my own. Maybe we had around 2 pages worth of information on the book we were using and that was it. (Catholic school)
 
Is it really their faults or is it the education system? In my own experience, this was never taught to me, I had to find it on my own. Maybe we had around 2 pages worth of information on the book we were using and that was it. (Catholic school)

That's true. I went to an elite public school, but this was never covered directly. Just, "Humans emigrated from Africa, yadda yadda".

Until very recently I thought that there were only two "ice ages" (glacial maximums) in human history.
 
Follow the Herpes

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"The viral strains sort exactly as you would predict based on sequencing of human genomes. We found that all of the African isolates cluster together, all the virus from the Far East, Korea, Japan, China clustered together, all the viruses in Europe and America, with one exception, clustered together," he says.

"What we found follows exactly what the anthropologists have told us, and the molecular geneticists who have analyzed the human genome have told us, about where humans originated and how they spread across the planet."

In general, the paper suggests that the data “supports the “out of Africa model” of human migration with HSV-1 traveling and diversifying with its human host”. There was one North American derived strain which they found was related to the East Asian family of the virus. They estimated the “divergence time” between this strain and its relatives as around 15,000 years which corresponds “with the estimated time period in which the North American continent was populated from Asia, approximately 15,000 years BP.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_worl...o_track_human_migration_across_the_globe.html
 
Keep in mind, when we're talking about polynesian navigators, we're talking about people from 1500-6000 years ago where water levels were lower. There were likely SOME small islands spread throughout the pacific ocean that are now underwater reefs.

800px-Pacific_Culture_Areas.jpg


It's not that hard to see how seamen could gradually populate these islands, especially if there were more islands and larger landmasses. Some may have even made their way to south america.

Every green dot is land. And that's a modern day map.

They went to Madagascar and most likely South America as well. Absolutely mind-boggling still.
 
Looking back at the first page is funny, with people making fun of OP because they ask about a not so obvious subject. In retrospect, I'd much rather have a genuinely curious person ask about a subject they don't know about than people making bullshit claims about Pangea that basically show they're utterly clueless about a basic timescale of this world's history.


If only. Wikipedia has better info than whatever a number of people seem to be remembering from these classes they did or did not attend.
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Yup, all the mocking posts were real embarrassing,
 
I mean Africa is rather water locked with one connected route to Eurasia. To bad that route features a frick'n massive desert.

How did they make it out? How was the water and the desert not just a gigantic barrier to keep the early human species basically locked in Africa. How did our species say roughly 200,000 years ago who were hardly highly evolved at that time make it out of Africa to help colonize the world?

I know of a theory that suggests that many thousands of years ago Egypt was pretty lush and verdant.

And even if that were not that case, travelling tribes could have just walked the length of the Nile, which is always teeming with life.
 
I shouldn't imagine that southern Europe was notably different to Africa - I mean, you can see Africa from Gibraltar, even where there isn't a land border. This would have been especially the case back when the Sahara was more lush (and therefore, presumably, the environment was more wet and prone to rain).

The more likely explanation is that Europe was already inhabited by homo neanderthalensis, and had been potentially for over 100,000 years. Much easier to move into areas without competition.
 

"What's more, the researchers suggest that the fossil record of what have been considered different Homo species from this time period -- such as Homo ergaster, Homo rudolfensis and Homo habilis -- could actually be variations on a single species, Homo erectus."

Aren't we speaking of humans migrating so that would mean they would have to be Homo sapiens or sapiens sapiens?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo
 
Ryökäle;86962138 said:
"What's more, the researchers suggest that the fossil record of what have been considered different Homo species from this time period -- such as Homo ergaster, Homo rudolfensis and Homo habilis -- could actually be variations on a single species, Homo erectus."

Aren't we speaking of humans migrating so that would mean they would have to be Homo sapiens or sapiens sapiens?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

Nah these things are way old - 1.8 million years. They're talking about other species of Homo. Here's a reconstruction of homo habilis for context:
 
The more likely explanation is that Europe was already inhabited by homo neanderthalensis, and had been potentially for over 100,000 years. Much easier to move into areas without competition.

There is also the fact that Europe isn't a very appealing place to live compared to the lands east of Africa. Look what you can find that way: the Fertile Crescent, the Indus Valley, the rest of India, Southeast Asia, and eventually China. In short, the places that have been best able to support massive human populations across history. The places where human civilization flourished the most. Particularly for early hunter-gatherers, there is a lot more to find in the warmer and wetter parts of Southern and South-East Asia than in the relatively cold and arid Europe.
 
There is also the fact that Europe isn't a very appealing place to live compared to the lands east of Africa. Look what you can find that way: the Fertile Crescent, the Indus Valley, the rest of India, Southeast Asia, and eventually China. In short, the places that have been best able to support massive human populations across history. The places where human civilization flourished the most. Particularly for early hunter-gatherers, there is a lot more to find in the warmer and wetter parts of Southern and South-East Asia than in the relatively cold and arid Europe.

Early OOA populations didn't settle these areas as far as we know though. They pretty much made a bee-line for Australasia, which is quite puzzling.
 
You make it sound like the things you listed were insurmountable barriers. I think early humans who had to live with those harsh realities where as people today die after being lost in a lush National park after a few hours :(
 
According to the Apocrypha, the 10 tribes of Israel after being released from captivity by Cyrus, King of Assyria, took it upon themselves to travel to a land where "man had never dwelt". The recorded voyage of this trip was 1 year and a half. These 10 tribes are what are known as the Natives of the western world. If you look at the customs of the Natives, you can see the similarity of diet and dress code (fringes on the borders of their garments) to that of the Jews.
 
You make it sound like the things you listed were insurmountable barriers. I think early humans who had to live with those harsh realities where as people today die after being lost in a lush National park after a few hours :(

Well, it would be nigh on useless for most of us to know wilderness survival, just as it would have been useless for them to know how to drive a car or use a computer.

Same brain, different education.

According to the Apocrypha, the 10 tribes of Israel after being released from captivity by Cyrus, King of Assyria, took it upon themselves to travel to a land where "man had never dwelt". The recorded voyage of this trip was 1 year and a half. These 10 tribes are what are known as the Natives of the western world. If you look at the customs of the Natives, you can see the similarity of diet and dress code (fringes on the borders of their garments) to that of the Jews.

...which Natives?
 
Well, it would be nigh on useless for most of us to know wilderness survival, just as it would have been useless for them to know how to drive a car or use a computer.

Same brain, different education.



...which Natives?

The Native indians. The North American, seminole Indian, Natives in Mexico, Native Columbians, Natives of Uruguay, Native Cubans, Natives of the Caribbean Islands. Essentially, everyone who where on the western side of the world before Columbus.
 
The Native indians. The North American, seminole Indian, Natives in Mexico, Native Columbians, Natives of Uruguay, Native Cubans, Natives of the Caribbean Islands. Essentially, everyone who where on the western side of the world before Columbus.

We've got a live one.
 
According to the Apocrypha, the 10 tribes of Israel after being released from captivity by Cyrus, King of Assyria, took it upon themselves to travel to a land where "man had never dwelt". The recorded voyage of this trip was 1 year and a half. These 10 tribes are what are known as the Natives of the western world. If you look at the customs of the Natives, you can see the similarity of diet and dress code (fringes on the borders of their garments) to that of the Jews.

The Native indians. The North American, seminole Indian, Natives in Mexico, Native Columbians, Natives of Uruguay, Native Cubans, Natives of the Caribbean Islands. Essentially, everyone who where on the western side of the world before Columbus.



So you are saying native Americans are Jewish? Regardless of DNA mapping that makes them of Asian descent(like Chinese).

Or the fact that at least 6 tribes of Israel stayed in...well Israel. One tribe went north into Europe and is rumored to become the Gauls. (Spread of DNA Y chromosome u can kind of see a migration from Hungary turkey, but not conclusive obviously, but always fun to connect pieces of history that I've found)


Also, the 6 other tribes got "lost" or "died." Although I did just give a possible explination for one, but that leaves 5 tribes missing.


However you said 10 tribes. lol. No. Good day sir.
 
The Native indians. The North American, seminole Indian, Natives in Mexico, Native Columbians, Natives of Uruguay, Native Cubans, Natives of the Caribbean Islands. Essentially, everyone who where on the western side of the world before Columbus.

There is no genetic evidence to support this.
 
So you are saying native Americans are Jewish? Regardless of DNA mapping that makes them of Asian descent(like Chinese).

Or the fact that at least 6 tribes of Israel stayed in...well Israel. One tribe went north into Europe and is rumored to become the Gauls. (Spread of DNA Y chromosome u can kind of see a migration from Hungary turkey, but not conclusive obviously, but always fun to connect pieces of history that I've found)


Also, the 6 other tribes got "lost" or "died." Although I did just give a possible explination for one, but that leaves 5 tribes missing.


However you said 10 tribes. lol. No. Good day sir.

I never said the Natives are Jewish. Jew is a term to identify the descendants of the tribe of Judah. The house of Israel is comprised of the other 11 tribes (Not including Dan but thats another discussion all together). As for the 6 tribes in Israel, when was this? According to history, at the time of Christ birth there were only 3 tribes left in Israel. In 70 AD Rome besieged Jerusalem, slayed and took captive the inhabitants, while millions fled into Africa, according to Jewish historian Josephus, and the book From Babylon to Timbuktu.
 
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