darkestdame
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It was lame but you're delusional if you think it has any affect on their performances this holiday.
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How did Sony Announcements go from this.. To.. This?
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Roberts
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You trying to imply that xbox has no games?
siekro1983
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72k dislike this is embarrassing. xbox wiped the floor with them.
nani17
are in a big trouble
I don't see it being launched this year with the virus bud I'd be very surprised if both systems come out.
hunthunt
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If they though that common people know what "technical architecture" means then they dont know very well what their consumers want.
Shin
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You beat me to it, it won't matter in terms of sales but it shows people were unhappy with the presentation to an extent.
MacReady13
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Didn't they say it'll come out 2020?
Elektro Demon
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No, I find it funny, because console gamers are always talking about how it's all about the games and not graphics.
But all of a sudden, everyone is crying and being dissapointed in these next gen consoles, hardware wise.
And I'm enjoying every second of it. No TV show on earth can provide this much entertainment.
siekro1983
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You beat me to it, it won't matter in terms of sales but it shows people were unhappy with the presentation to an extent.
If it's the same price it will matter. ps5 will still win, but xbox will be way more competitive this gen.
stitch1
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Can't even call it a preview. It was just a mistake. From start to finish a mistake. If it was for developers then they wouldn't need to spend so much time explaining the benefits of SSDs to them. This is the first official PS5 news from Sony other than the logo from CES.
On the flip side Xbox has shown every little detail of whats in the box how the box is made and why. Spoiler, it's for air flow. On top of that we have Digital Foundry doing a deep dive into the features and why they matter. Then there's Austin Evans showing off the same info in his own, more playful, way. They have posted videos showing off how the SSDs helps performance with an older open world game that isn't even optimized for the Series X. As well as a video showing off how Quick Resume works.
Sony.... Where did your marketing department go? What little news we got out of this presentation was bad news. The SSDs are nice I guess. But let's say they are twice as fast as Xbox. So something loads in 2 second instead of 4? Yay for that I guess.
The thing will probably sound like a fucking jet engine too all the time, Sony ALWAYS skimps on R&D ergonomics with the consoles.
Cerny even joked about it, loving the awful racked about playing God of War and "being able to tell when the power is ramped up".
jakinov
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I also wanted to mention that a lot of companies in the last several years have shift to do their main marketing near the release of their product/service. Sony used to announce a lot of thing years in advance but now they start to reveal things closer to release. These live streams are not the main part of the marketing, it's most enthusiasts who would frequent websites like NeoGaf and IGN who are going to watch this. Not the average gamer who goes and buys a PS/Box to just play GTA, Fornite COD and Minecraft. The mainstream gamers aren't the 2 million people that play BloodBorne or the 5 million who play gears of war. The enthuthiatsts learn about the games and consoles regardless of how sexy the presentation (even though this isn't for them and is limited by the coronavirus). There's going to be events and mainstream marketing efforts near the actual release.
nani17
are in a big trouble
Don't remember but part of china's still on lockdown parts of Europe are starting to go on lockdown they reckon it could last passed the summer in some places. So who knows honestly when it will be launched i do hope both will come out but even dev teams are going to be behind
Maiden Voyage
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nani17
are in a big trouble
It's for junior or aspiring devs as well for all. In the PS4 one, they talk about old games and tips and tricks they did back then. Why would devs need to learn that
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Stuart360
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I think they will both launch on schedule, but will be supply constrained (which they usually are anyway at launch). I think once they open pre-orders, people will need to be QUICK, unless they want to wait months to get one.
nani17
are in a big trouble
Dev teams might not be though. Again fingers crossed they're both on time
LazyParrot
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Comparing a tech briefing aimed at game devs (this presentation was supposed to happen at GDC, remember?) to a console reveal aimed at the general public is stupid.
alabtrosMyster
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All we saw was Cerny blabbing about design goals and throwing in some specs here and there - so use your imagination:
Shin
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Sony lost me as a consumer for their smartphone last year, TV this year and now PlayStation as well.
I was hoping in terms of power it would be 11.TF, but the only thing I could be excited about was the SSD.
The system is a complete letdown, regardless of what it will cost it's not for me - such a damn weird feeling to part ways.
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TBiddy
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I haven't been able to watch all of the announcement yet, but as smart as Mark Cerny is, he's a really poor presenter, it seems. I know it was aimed at developers and not consumers, but even the graphics they presented on the small screen next to Cerny looked cheap and off.
Compared to the way Microsoft presented the SSD, the cooling etc., this definitely felt like a huge step backwards from the PS4 reveal. The odd yellow colour used, the italic font used constantly. I wonder how tone deaf Sony must be to release such a video, when they know damn well that 65-70% of the console customers are eagerly awaiting info about the next version of the Playstation.
Compared to the way Microsoft presented the SSD, the cooling etc., this definitely felt like a huge step backwards from the PS4 reveal. The odd yellow colour used, the italic font used constantly. I wonder how tone deaf Sony must be to release such a video, when they know damn well that 65-70% of the console customers are eagerly awaiting info about the next version of the Playstation.
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GHG
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Nah man, the OG Xbox One is a joke. I also bought one for FH2 but the console was so anemic that I didn't buy anything other than the Forza games for it. Literally no point in playing any third party games on it, even if they could be had for cheaper. If I could do it all again I'd wait for the Xbox One X and buy that to play all the exclusives and then at least have the option to play 3rd party games on it at a good standard should I wish to.
Lesson learnt, I'll be waiting for the PS5 Pro provided they don't also dump all their games on PC in which case I never buy another console again.
Maiden Voyage
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If a developer doesn't understand storage and retrieval, I don't think most would start at Cerny's PS5 reveal. This comes off as a technical presentation dumbed down for a general audience. It's entirely ineffective for all parties.
MiguelItUp
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Exactly. People are hyped and eager to learn more about the PS5, their hype is on them. This was never meant to be a huge PS5 reveal event. I feel like that was made abundantly clear.
Of course they're going to share it on social media and try to get as many people to see it as possible. It's about their new console. If they're going to take time to put this out there, they're going to want as much attention as possible. Problem is, it's like they don't realize the majority are chomping at the bit for a more reveal-centric event, like PS4's, which is what this wasn't.
StormCell
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I've not been to GDC, personally, but I've attended other developer conferences. This is par for the course from a hardware maker. I'm not sure why they opted to do this unless they needed to make the hardware publicly known. Maybe today was about attracting third parties.
You're right, and Sony could have certainly timed this in a manner that showcased PS5 to consumers ahead of the hardware tech talk since there's not going to be an E3. A spoon full of sugar...
That said, these sorts of things happen all the time in marketing. Xbox has its momentum for now, but by October it will be about new games more than anything else. Will the new generation offer anything representing a true leap forward? What killer piece of software is going to usher us forward??
And I'm not really seeing it, yet... Sony still has that key opportunity to steal the momentum.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
For me, at least, the problem is this: they're trying to sell a beige box now, not a toy.
Gamernyc78
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ipukespiders
Member
I couldn't NOT see this
GreatnessRD
Member
The proper response.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I am re-watching the PS4 announcement video. They really knocked it out of the park and then used that momentum to really stick it to Xbox for the majority of this generation. They didn't have to show off the box back then. They showed us the same "deep dive" type of information that the showed today for the PS5. But they did it while showing examples. They did it while showing the controller. They did it while showing what performance of the Unreal Engine could look like on their new hardware. They did it while showing the new dashboard and social features like the share button/features. They did it while showing Remote Play with a Vita. They did it while showing new games that couldn't be done on the PS3 hardware.
They did it while giving us a reason to want to buy a PS4. They showed new games. Games like Knack, Kill Zone Shadow Fall, Drive Club, Infamous Second Son, Watch Dogs, Destiny, and a few others.
Today we got...
While the PS4 announcement was 2 hours long it felt much shorter than the hour Cerny put on today.
To say I am disappointed would be an understatement.
Here is today's announcement if anyone missed it.
Sony had a great succes because Microsoft were fuck heads at the beginning on this gen, and they used it for their advantage.
Microsoft has lately a steady track of doing the right things compared to back then, and that leaves Sony no wave to ride on.
But don't worry, they'd still sell better. They have some of the most loyal fans out there so they'd be fine.
Krappadizzle
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The whole presentation boiled down.
kretos
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not even close, always online? no used games?
Ellery
Gold Member
It was like a technical deep dive into why you should be excited for it. It was actually supposed to be a GDC talk and not a gigantic shiny announcement with people playing Lets Dance 2021.
I got a lot of interesting information today and the only things I don't know yet are the way the console looks, release date and price. Which I think will happen all at once later this year
I got a lot of interesting information today and the only things I don't know yet are the way the console looks, release date and price. Which I think will happen all at once later this year
Bladed Thesis
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I've got news for you on how much that level of SSD costs.
stitch1
Member
Lets not forget Xbox also had a presentation for developers today. But they didn't stream it from their youtube channel. Instead they allowed IGN and GameSpot to stream it. It's more of a live conversation about the series X. But even this was more consumer and dev friendly compared to the mess Sony showed today.
They even showed off what their xCloud blade looks like. Sony on the other hand told us their specs suck.
They even showed off what their xCloud blade looks like. Sony on the other hand told us their specs suck.
Nemesis Prime
Member
I wonder if the early XSEX reveal has had an effect on how this reveal was taken. If this video was done much earlier and prior to MS revealing all their specs I think the reaction would have been much more positive and more muted.
PS5 Weaker console, no actual backward compatibility with upgraded games like raytracing and 4k added, nothing about a better controller with better latency etc, sounds like some games might not be even native 4k, im very disappointed if anything this seemed like Sony trying to damage control and are freaking out over the powerful series x, probably will try to push their crappy blurry Ps Now service ,xbox has been more pro consumer while Plasytation just acts like they care but then force you behind paywalls and subpar experiences.
stitch1
Member
All it would have done is make the Series X look even better.
emmerrei
Member
I'm more concerned about the fact that both consoles are getting released today with those ridiculous RT performances, and they need to survive for atleast 5 years. What is going to happen is that developers are going to ignore completly those rt useless core, and publishing games as normal. RT, for me isn't ready for a release, like it wasn't ready on a RTX 2080ti. What we have to expect from those console? Sub-par 2080ti RT performance at the best, and in the best case scenario aren't ready enough. Waste of time and money.
pr0cs
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It felt pretty amateurish, it wasn't terrible but considering how little information Sony has been releasing about the ps5 it REALLY hurt the presentation.
This whole lead-up to the ps5 launch over the last 1+ has been terrible. I just hope they slay the launch in relation to actual games. This is about the only ace Sony might have left against Microsoft
This whole lead-up to the ps5 launch over the last 1+ has been terrible. I just hope they slay the launch in relation to actual games. This is about the only ace Sony might have left against Microsoft
cryogenic7
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And none of the things you mentioned will effect sales at all this holiday season. Most people buying these systems will have watched neither of the presentations. They will buy the console that has the games they want, and or the console most of their friends play on.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
The stuff Control did with RT was/is awesome and I am excited to see what a few upcoming titles do with it to. As you stated, it might not be ready for you, but on my rigs its bananas. It will take devs a bit of time to adapt to using it for the new consoles probably....but what new piece of hardware/tech doesn't require that?
The presentation was pretty much on par with every technical presentation I have been to at GDC. They should have adjusted expectations for the folks that this video was NOT aimed at since everyone could watch it. Hardware sounds great and excited (from a back end perspective) to see what shops do with the hardware.
nikolino840
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Is not an e3 show..Is not like an announcement..Is the gdc for devs and investors
Justin9mm
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It wasn't a reveal, it was for the Game Developers Conference that was cancelled. This was not for gamers but a technical analysis for developers.. People complaining about this presentation are straight up stupid!
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