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Push yourself to do the things you cant do. You seem to be able to discern your own faults, now stop thinking about them, and act.

If you were a real person, if you were the perfect version of yourself, the person you wish to become, how would you act to that situation? If you can visualize how the other you would act, then you can do it aswell. Relax, grow some balls, and try to imitate him as best as you can. Hide your bad acting with faked confidence.

Fake it till you become it.
 
Also, there might be a misconception here that I posted this to talk about how smart I am durr durr durr, or how special I am.

That's not it.

I'm just at a point with all of this where I realized I can't figure things out on my own, and I needed advice. And GAF is the sort of place where it seems like people are very social, and work exactly how I would categorize "real people" work. A place where they'll tell you to quit hiding behind a computer, quit being a pussy, and go do some shit. That seemed like a very good place for advice on this sort of thing to me.
 
Also, there might be a misconception here that I posted this to talk about how smart I am durr durr durr, or how special I am.

That's not it.

I'm just at a point with all of this where I realized I can't figure things out on my own, and I needed advice. And GAF is the sort of place where it seems like people are very social, and work exactly how I would categorize "real people" work. A place where they'll tell you to quit hiding behind a computer, quit being a pussy, and go do some shit. That seemed like a very good place for advice on this sort of thing to me.
idk...where are you parents/family/friends/coworkers/teachers/mentors?
 
Keep searching for friends. You'll find them. Even if you're eccentric (not saying you are), it seems that you have a good intentions, so someone will eventually give you the chance. Having someone to talk to who cares and can forgive you will help develop your self confidence, which might be all that you need. You can do it!
 
Also, there might be a misconception here that I posted this to talk about how smart I am durr durr durr, or how special I am.

That's not it.

I'm just at a point with all of this where I realized I can't figure things out on my own, and I needed advice. And GAF is the sort of place where it seems like people are very social, and work exactly how I would categorize "real people" work. A place where they'll tell you to quit hiding behind a computer, quit being a pussy, and go do some shit. That seemed like a very good place for advice on this sort of thing to me.

Let's try a different angle...

Do you work out? Maybe going to the gym and lifting weights and getting in shape will help you gain some confidence.
 
I am so horrible at people that interacting with them or even thinking about it almost literally hurts. But I can tell you one thing. When you make a mistake and someone notices, they will move on. I have spent so much time dwelling on the awkward crippling shit I do when I talk to someone, but in reality they won't care for long. It's not what they're going to remember you for, so you can't retreat at the first sign of trouble. You have to take a moment and calmly reset yourself. Running away and hiding where it's safe is the easier option, but it's not going to get you what you want.
 
idk...where are you parents/family/friends/coworkers/teachers/mentors?
My parents are alive. They've given up on helping me. They have some bullshit idea now that I'm an adult I should handle EVERYTHING EVER completely on my own. If I talk to them about things, they're so lost they just listen but give me no advice whatsoever, nor do they know how to help me. Nor do they want to deal with it.

I have several friends. They also do not know how to begin to help me. They don't really give me advice, and they scoff at any self-depreciating I do without even bothering to discuss it. I can not get a real contemplative discussion out of any of them. Well, I can, but it doesn't end in helping me, just calling me dumb for thinking these things.

My teachers want nothing to do with me now. My coworkers have nothing unprofessional to offer me. I have no mentors. That sounds cool; wish I did.

Let's try a different angle...

Do you work out? Maybe going to the gym and lifting weights and getting in shape will help you gain some confidence.

I am 5' 9" and 110 pounds. I worked out a shitton when I was a teenager and it did nothing more than define me. It didn't ADD muscle or pounds, and nothing else I've done has managed to do either for me.

Get drunk for the first time

I drink all the time, but not in excess. I've been drunk on occasion to celebrate, but I hate getting drunk as a habit.
 
Sounds a lot like me, I over think things to the point of planning out conversations months in advance that I doubt I will have. The only way I figured out to appear sociable is the opposite of your last point: to lie all the time, about everything. I am almost a different person when I am with friends, peers, colleagues, or family.

It may sound bad, but it keeps me and those around me happy. That's the important thing to remember because depression comes naturally to our personality types.

Also, it might just be clinical depression. People in depression can easily not think they are in one and it causes a lot of social anxieties and introspection.
 
Where I am right now is a direct result of everything going wrong, and trying to be myself in complete honesty and not be stupid causing me to get in constant trouble. It's like it's completely unacceptable to be honest and smart. And my parents. I blame them too for raising me away from real society for most of my life due to their overprotective bullshit. They've crippled me.

I had a friend like you (at least I think so based on the description you give). He was strange in a way no one was familiar with. All of his friends drifted away from him except for me (until he went to a different high school). It was strange because he was the best person I have ever met. It was like he was ignorant of anything that was unethical or "evil" (I use this cliche as an umbrella to encompass everything). He was such a morally sound person that he made me feel uncomfortable to be around him. Like, if someone came up to me and said "that guy is Jesus reincarnated" I would be like "Ok. Everything makes sense now".

I don't really know how to solve this personality quirk (although why would you want to?) but I think a good bet would be to befriend a psychopath; their emotional manipulation and lies will alter your personality for you.
 
I am 5' 9" and 110 pounds. I worked out a shitton when I was a teenager and it did nothing more than define me. It didn't ADD muscle or pounds, and nothing else I've done has managed to do either for me.

Unless you are a woman, this is not good. You need to try something else besides the stuff you have tried. I'm sure there are some threads on neogaf about bulking up.
 
I had a friend like you (at least I think so based on the description you give). He was strange in a way no one was familiar with. All of his friends drifted away from him except for me (until he went to a different high school). It was strange because he was the best person I have ever met. It was like he was ignorant of anything that was unethical or "evil" (I use this cliche as an umbrella to encompass everything). He was such a morally sound person that he made me feel uncomfortable to be around him. Like, if someone came up to me and said "that guy is Jesus reincarnated" I would be like "Ok. Everything makes sense now".

I don't really know how to solve this personality quirk (although why would you want to?) but I think a good bet would be to befriend a psychopath; their emotional manipulation and lies will alter your personality for you.

I'm definitely not morally sound. I've been friends with psychopaths, and still am with one. It's entertaining as much as I want to murder him every time he does something evil. Somehow I don't get away. I've often suspected I might be a sociopath, but as I said, I was not diagnosed as one.

Have you been diagnose with any mental problem? Aspergers perhaps?

Social anxiety. Agoraphobia. Panic disorder. I have thought of getting checked again by a different psychiatrist. Mine let me go telling me I'm normal, as in perfectly okay. He might be right, but it doesn't feel right?
 
Well if you have friends and people you already get along with, maybe just start there? Presumably you have shared interests, or at least mutual complaints about classes and stuff. Strike up, or more simply join in, on a conversation about something you have in common and don't talk about yourself or your own problems. It sounds like you worry alot about your own personal problems, and I don't know if you do this, but try to force yourself to not think about them or talk about them when you're interacting with your friends. Can't claim any expertise on this, but it might help you get experience in the ebb and flow of conversation.

And gyms are social places too. And provided you're not starving yourself, I don't see how you can regularly exercise and NOT build muscles or mass. ..
 
OP, would you consider your environment positive? do you have a job you enjoy with people who treat you as an equal and with respect? is your family supportive of your endeavors? do you have anyone you would consider a "true" friend?

i've met people who sound exactly like the person you described in your post, and almost everytime, they were drowning in an adverse environment that seemed to stifle their every move.
 
Delusional
Impossible to understand
Irritating
Incites anger
Ignored
Incites frustration
Pushes people away

The things that incite these reactions are:

Misunderstandings
Not understanding others
Over-analysis
Analyzing people's behaviors around me
Analyzing thought processes around me
Analyzing social things and understanding society
Being too sensitive about things
Being over-defensive
Being offensive without meaning to due to some kind of lack of social understanding
Never lying....ever, even to my own detriment



You should go into detail about some of these situations. Like, what exactly did you say/do to incite anger?
 
I am 5' 9" and 110 pounds. I worked out a shitton when I was a teenager and it did nothing more than define me. It didn't ADD muscle or pounds, and nothing else I've done has managed to do either for me.

Regarding this bit in particular, eating matters. If you decide you'd like to add muscle, try lifting in conjunction with a bigger diet.






As for the other stuff.... I'm not sure what advice to give. I went through some extensive personal difficulties that stemmed from an inability to cope with life. The biggest thing that helps me avoid stress in a social situation is to remember that I'm almost always exaggerating to myself about how harshly others judge me. Other people socialize at least 10 times more than I do. Their emotional well-being is usually less fragile than mine. They have the perspective I lack, and realize that my fears are ultimately unfounded. It helps me realize how illogical my social anxiety is. As much as I hate being overly analytical, it makes mental tools like that very effective.
 
Have a few drinks and go out and loosen up!

Don't take life so dang seriously, you aren't here to solve every single persons problems, so don't get so worked up about how they live their lives or their opinions on things.

Drinking might let your guard down a bit and let you get in some social situations that you normally are too anxious about getting yourself into normally.
 
People recommending weed for anxiety must have only ever smoked strong Indica strains.

Sativa will have your head spinning in an anxiety-fest pretty quickly if you have any anxiety related issues, or sometimes, even if you don't.
 
I am more of a listener. "The quiet ones" and all that. When I open my mouth and say what's on my mind, I get shot down, or in trouble, so typically I shut up in person. It's developed into a WHY BOTHER mentality.

I definitely do need to learn to give my analytical side a rest.

I will admit, I have this exact same problem irl and online. The thing is to just get off your ass and talk. Feel the fear and do it anyway. Of course it's easier said than done, but just remember the first step of reaching a goal or fixing a problem is to show up.
 
Well if you have friends and people you already get along with, maybe just start there? Presumably you have shared interests, or at least mutual complaints about classes and stuff. Strike up, or more simply join in, on a conversation about something you have in common and don't talk about yourself or your own problems. It sounds like you worry alot about your own personal problems, and I don't know if you do this, but try to force yourself to not think about them or talk about them when you're interacting with your friends. Can't claim any expertise on this, but it might help you get experience in the ebb and flow of conversation.

And gyms are social places too. And provided you're not starving yourself, I don't see how you can regularly exercise and NOT build muscles or mass. ..

I think I've exhausted what I have in common, but typically, it's the shallowest of conversations with no intellectual depth, and it goes nowhere or never really comes back up. Most of it is spent joking around and being assholes, which is lots of fun, but doesn't exactly feed my brain.

I haven't regularly exercised for a long while. I started going to a gym here, but I was so self-conscious around all these giants I eventually got too scared to be there and left.

OP, would you consider your environment positive? do you have a job you enjoy with people who treat you as an equal and with respect? is your family supportive of your endeavors? do you have anyone you would consider a "true" friend?

i've met people who sound exactly like the person you described in your post, and almost everytime, they were drowning in an adverse environment that seemed to stifle their every move.
No. My family supports the work I love to do. But they are extreme fundies with stupid ideas that I literally can't discuss anything with. I have a few people I would consider true friends....about six or seven, but there are times some of them start to make me wonder, and I get into fights with them quite often or they clam up on me quite often. They've done so much for me, and stuck with me so strongly, though, I can't question their friendship.
But I am very stifled. Even though I can see my friends IRL, most of the time I only get to online because they live over an hour away. I live in a dead town of farmers, so I don't have anything in common with anyone immediately near me.

You should go into detail about some of these situations. Like, what exactly did you say/do to incite anger?
Well, it would take a book to list everything, but let's say that sometimes I can be an asshole, or just a complete idiot due to my shortcomings. And due to the fact that a lot of people judge you without getting to know you, or if they get to know you and you don't know how to act right or open up, it leads to a hell of a lot of people with continual bad opinions of you. I have people with bad opinions of me for things I don't even know I did, or know what I did. Constantly. It's all part of me not UNDERSTANDING what's wrong between me and other people. I don't KNOW why it happens, but it happens all the time. Sometimes I am an asshole, though, and then I deserve it, but the times I know what I'm doing wrong are much fewer.

I thought about actually keeping a record of all the times these things happen, but I was afraid that would be kind of.....weird?

I'm in a position where just being EXTROVERTED makes people have a low opinion of me, and I don't know why. It's a facet of human thought or opinion that I just DON'T GET.

I don't want to blame anyone or hate people, I want to understand why they think what they think or how I got where I am, and I continually draw a blank. A lot of this leads me to think I just don't understand people. And as it builds, I began to wonder if I was even a real person to begin with, if I can't understand what I'm doing wrong.

One thing I do that incites anger is that I continually call people on what I consider bullshit behavior, or fake behavior, or make fun of them for it, and because I'm pushing past their wall or because I state matter-of-factly what I think they're doing, they lose it. It's very possible I'm full of shit in these instances, but I don't do it unless I've thought it over very carefully.
 
OP, you are real to me, goddamnit!!!

But seriously, I would recommend you to travel and get to know the world a bit more. Probably it will put things in perspective and you will realize that you are not that different after all.
 
So woowooooh,
I wanna be just like you
I wanna walk like you,
talk like you do
You see it's true,
an ape like me
can learn to be human too, yeah
 
What you're feeling is basically a variant of this:

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do you smoke weed? if not, try it (assuming it's legal in your state)

watch some comedies and relax

This could possibly be one of the worse ideas given his current mental state

Don't smoke weed. I have social anxiety and you know what happens to it when I'd smoke? It gets about 100 times worse. One time I smoked a bowl at a party and I thought I could hear everyone whispering about me for the next hour and a half so I sat on the couch constantly shifting my eyes from one person to the next.

And this is why

Same thing happens to me bro
 
Newsflash: You are not a special unique snowflake. You're just like everyone else. Get over it.

Okay.

Anyway, GAF, thank you very much for the advice. I really appreciate it. It's given me a lot to think about. I'll start putting more effort into just getting out there, and learning people first-hand, and I'll let myself make mistakes. This discussion was great. Exactly the advice I needed.
 
Reading all the things you listed OP, you wouldn't happen to be diagnosed with a neurodevelopmental disorder (aspbergers, autism, ADD, ADHD)?
 
No, but so many people have mentioned it, I might look into getting rediagnosed.

Make sure that you see a psychiatrist that will evaluate you over a span of months, not just a few weeks. I spoke to a girl once that had been diagnosed with ADHD, she only went to the psychiatrist for two weeks and got diagnosed - that's way too fast to evaluate someone for a plausible ADHD-diagnos.

EDIT: If you get diagnosed you will most likely feel much better about yourself, you'll have answers to your questions and you'll [hopefully] accept yourself for who you are! You will know and understand yourself MUCH better - and that's worth gold my friend. There's nothing wrong with you.
 
Lots of great suggestions here.

I'll add one of my favorites, it's wonderful if you have a smartphone!

Open your calendar app, set some repeated Monday - Friday reminders, throughout the day.
Figure out what your weaknesses are, and train your brain to think differently.

For example if since you have all this mental chatter about right and wrong, ask yourself who you'd like to be more like. Mentally imagine which person (or which combination) and why, you'd like to be. Then just make some calendar entries.

8am: It's a new day. Treat it like a gift. People like a happy person. Not OVERLY so. But be positive and joke around a bit.

10am: Stop slouching! Good posture and body language display confidence and people respond well to it.

5pm: Go home, take a short nap.
6pm: Exercise for twenty minutes.
7pm: Go for a walk to the park and chat with people.

I just threw the last three on there, but using your calendar to change your thought patterns rather than a mundane to do list, is an awesome thing to do.

Oh yeah... use your OWN words. Use something that YOU would respond to.
 
Newsflash: You are not a special unique snowflake. You're just like everyone else. Get over it.

...what was the point of this post?

OP it can be hard, but you need to find people with similar interests. Find people you can engage with in an honest and open matter. You can meet these people by putting yourself out there in social situations, as daunting as that sounds. Meeting people that can change your perspective on things can be a breath of fresh air. I have friends now that I can talk to about anything and they will come back with an informed totally different perspective. It can be tiring and it can seem like a lost cause at times, but meeting people will always expand your horizons and change you.
 
OK I know I made wise ass remark previously.

OP, if you can create something worthwhile, you will be able to "live a fuller life" everyday.

This is from my personal experience.
 
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One thing I do that incites anger is that I continually call people on what I consider bullshit behavior, or fake behavior, or make fun of them for it, and because I'm pushing past their wall or because I state matter-of-factly what I think they're doing, they lose it. It's very possible I'm full of shit in these instances, but I don't do it unless I've thought it over very carefully.]

But this is YOUR problem of taking everything too seriously. Why do you think everyone isn't great friends with everyone? Because opening up and being honest with people is something that has to happen NATURALLY, and you feel it out, and it takes time.

Your problems are reflected in this, YOUR behavior, because you have no confidence in yourself to just relax, thus you've become paranoid or in your head while you're socializing, thus you say and do shit that you think is "honesty" but it actually probably totally fucking inconsiderate that resulted in you not feeling what is appropriate for the moment.

I used to have similar problems as you, and a lot of them had to stem from being in the closet. I've been able to overcome it.

If you want to as well, you need to first realize you're not crazy, you are a real person, and that for all your over thinking you haven't realized that honesty is not something for you to "espouse" on other people, you have to throw out all your thinking and just go with the moment, and stop giving a shit if someone making pleasant conversation with you isn't satisfying your own personal "truth-o-meter".

Like I said, I know you didn't make this post to try and say you're smart dur dur, but you really are not going to get anywhere until you let yourself be as "stupid" and "fake" as anyone else.

And while the thought of it may initially repeal you, you will begin to relax. You know why? Because allowing yourself to be stupid or be a little fake or dumb or whatever IS YOUR HONEST REACTION TO THE MOMENT, and thus, you've joined the rest of the normal socializing world.
 
Make sure that you see a psychiatrist that will evaluate you over a span of months, not just a few weeks. I spoke to a girl once that had been diagnosed with ADHD, she only went to the psychiatrist for two weeks and got diagnosed - that's way too fast to evaluate someone for a plausible ADHD-diagnos.

The guy that I saw let me go once my insurance would no longer cover visits, which was after a couple of months. He always, always went by what was in the book, diagnosing me straight from the symptoms on their pages. I really don't know if that was the right way to go about a good diagnosis or not. He didn't really allow much for analyzing me beyond what was on the page. But I don't know anything about psychiatry. At least I got diaphragm breathing out of it.

Lots of great suggestions here.

I'll add one of my favorites, it's wonderful if you have a smartphone!

Open your calendar app, set some repeated Monday - Friday reminders, throughout the day.
Figure out what your weaknesses are, and train your brain to think differently.

For example if since you have all this mental chatter about right and wrong, ask yourself who you'd like to be more like. Mentally imagine which person (or which combination) and why, you'd like to be. Then just make some calendar entries.

8am: It's a new day. Treat it like a gift. People like a happy person. Not OVERLY so. But be positive and joke around a bit.

10am: Stop slouching! Good posture and body language display confidence and people respond well to it.

5pm: Go home, take a short nap.
6pm: Exercise for twenty minutes.
7pm: Go for a walk to the park and chat with people.

I just threw the last three on there, but using your calendar to change your thought patterns rather than a mundane to do list, is an awesome thing to do.

Hmm, that's a good suggestion. Thanks. Even the examples are good suggestions on their own for me. I'll see if I can get people around me to hep reinforce me to be a more positive, energetic person as well. Probably can't....but it's worth a shot to ask.

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But this is YOUR problem of taking everything too seriously. Why do you think everyone isn't great friends with everyone? Because opening up and being honest with people is something that has to happen NATURALLY, and you feel it out, and it takes time.

Your problems are reflected in this, YOUR behavior, because you have no confidence in yourself to just relax, thus you've become paranoid or in your head while you're socializing, thus you say and do shit that you think is "honesty" but it actually probably totally fucking inconsiderate that resulted in you not feeling what is appropriate for the moment.

I used to have similar problems as you, and a lot of them had to stem from being in the closet. I've been able to overcome it.

If you want to as well, you need to first realize you're not crazy, you are a real person, and that for all your over thinking you haven't realized that honesty is not something for you to "espouse" on other people, you have to throw out all your thinking and just go with the moment, and stop giving a shit if someone making pleasant conversation with you isn't satisfying your own personal "truth-o-meter".

Like I said, I know you didn't make this post to try and say you're smart dur dur, but you really are not going to get anywhere until you let yourself be as "stupid" and "fake" as anyone else.

And while the thought of it may initially repeal you, you will begin to relax. You know why? Because allowing yourself to be stupid or be a little fake or dumb or whatever IS YOUR HONEST REACTION TO THE MOMENT, and thus, you've joined the rest of the normal socializing world.

It hurts my brain, but I never thought of it this way before. People have tried to tell me this before, I think, but typically always by simultaneously calling me stupid or making themselves sound like they've cracked the Matrix. This makes a better case, but it does make me start to hate people a bit. But I'm here to remove my own self-imposed intelligence, not proclaim it. So I can't go that route. I have to listen to what you're saying, although it hurts my brain.
 
The guy that I saw let me go once my insurance would no longer cover visits, which was after a couple of months. He always, always went by what was in the book, diagnosing me straight from the symptoms on their pages. I really don't know if that was the right way to go about a good diagnosis or not. He didn't really allow much for analyzing me beyond what was on the page. But I don't know anything about psychiatry. At lest I got diaphragm breathing out of it.

Sounds like a shit psychiatrist.

- "I'maaa.. Uh, i'ma just gonna check what the book says and you can just go yes or no if ANYTHING sounds familiar, m'kay?"
 
Also, look, I mean, obviously I'm no licensed professional, but the only point of getting diagnosed with anything like this is to get you medicine in order to help you relax.

But helping you relax doesn't teach you how to socialize.

I'm of the camp that thinks you can do these things yourself, without the aid of medication. It'll just probably take awhile.
 
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