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How do you justify traveling?

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RevenantKioku said:
It just feels irresponsible to spend that much money to have a good time even if I can afford it. I don't know. I've never done something like this before.
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So, you just have problems spending large amounts of money on something that isn't needed for life?

You might as well spend money on fun stuff now rather than waiting until you're retired and old (and can't do as much anymore.)
 
RevenantKioku said:
It just feels irresponsible to spend that much money to have a good time even if I can afford it. I don't know. I've never done something like this before.
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Irresponsible would be to do it every time you had a spare 500 dollars...

Eventually your going to die and be burned up or buried or whatever ( frozen?) might as well get some experiences while you can.

^_^
 
RevenantKioku said:
It just feels irresponsible to spend that much money to have a good time even if I can afford it. I don't know. I've never done something like this before.
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It's only irresponsible if you start using your rent money or bill money to do it. If you have extra money and want to spend it this way, then do it.
 
RevenantKioku said:
That's the thing, I want to go. But wanting to do something is hardly a justification.
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From many philosophical points-of-view, wanting to do something is the only valid justification for doing it.
 
Been to 75 countries,
became more educated, cultured and open-minded because of it.
It cost me 2500$ to go to Tokyo. 500$ seems good to me. Don't like it? Stay home.
 
RevenantKioku said:
It's just good feelings.
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It's a lot more than just "good feelings." Traveling allows you to experience things that you don't have access to from where you live. It can open up horizons in the way you think and change your perspectives. And no, looking at pictures on the Internet or reading about other cultures is not the same as actually being there.

I don't understand the point of traveling somewhere for a weekend, and I have no clue why you'd spend so much money on the actual round trip travel if you're only planning on spending 2 days or so at your destination. However, I find it odd that you can't see any value in traveling for an extended period of time.
 
How is wanting to go NOT a justification?

In my opinion, it's the only justification that is truly a prerequisite.
 
No matter where you go, it's only temporary.

/meta
 
For some reason, reading through this thread makes me angry :lol How can you get anything done in your life with your indecisiveness? If you want to go to TGS, then go to Tokyo. You're not going to see TGS any other way.
 
Huh? How do you justify any expenditure? If its something you want to do, and its not putting you into serious debt ... you just go and do/buy it? Its only money.
 
It's fun. Why do people feel the need to justify that?

Sounds like you need a better self-image so you feel like you deserve to have and do nice things.
 
Well if you're deep in debt you probably shouldn't take a vacation..but that piece of info changes the whole discussion.

edit ^ yeah, and you're cah-razy. Stop hating yourself.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Because you don't just do things because you want to. The reason we so many people in debt and shit situations is because they put wants over common sense.
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You can afford it. That's all you need to know.

Or stay home and let life pass you by I guess. I travel 3-4 times a year for the fuck of it because I don't have kids and we have the income.

No guilt, no remorse.

You do do things just because you want to if you feel you deserve it. I do.


Take my hand. Join me. 2nd star on the right and straight on till morning...
 
I wouldn't have any trouble justifying the experience of a new place, getting honest to goodness culture in my life and seeing all sorts of wonderful things outside of this empty shithole I live in.

It's the money that stops me. Travel + blue collar income don't mix.
 
Just right now I was looking at different airlines, because I am thinking of making a trip somewhere with my girlfriend during December. I gotta say I am damn scared looking at the ticket prices. :-p

But if it can be done somehow, I'm sure it'll be an experience that will be with me for the rest of my life. That's how I justify it.
 
RevenantKioku said:
How can you live life like that without immense stress? Without a bunker money of a couple grand I would be living in fear of any emergency. Hell, I already am with the scant $6000 or so to my name.
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Well, obviously you should wait until you have an emergency fund before doing this sort of thing?

I'm not advocating putting yourself into debt. I'm saying when you have the means, there really shouldn't be anything to justify.
 
RevenantKioku said:
I'm doing the math on this trip to Tokyo I am taking, and it is maddening.
$150 to get there
$120 for three nights of hotels
$150 to get back.
That's JUST for the basics! Never mind getting around while I am there, food and drinks. Holy shit. That's going to push it to at least a $500~$600 weekend. A weekend! I have the money, but how can I even begin to justify spending that chunk of cash? It just seems so illogical to spend that kind of money on going somewhere temporarily.
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It's somewhere to go/something to do. Justified.
 
RevenantKioku said:
I don't buy that shit for a second.
Going somewhere for a week doesn't get culture into your life. You may get a brief taste of it, but that's it. And "seeing wonderful things" doesn't do anything that a picture and a short description can't. People like to justify with this bullshit, but I've read about plenty of things and seeing them and being there didn't add a thing to me.
Living somewhere may do something, but a trip isn't going to cut it.
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Then vacationing isn't for you? And maybe that's why you have a problem justifying it?



I do find it weird that you feel actually being somewhere doesn't add anything over having read about it/seen pics of it. That's just ... odd.
 
RevenantKioku said:
I don't buy that shit for a second.
Going somewhere for a week doesn't get culture into your life. You may get a brief taste of it, but that's it. And "seeing wonderful things" doesn't do anything that a picture and a short description can't. People like to justify with this bullshit, but I've read about plenty of things and seeing them and being there didn't add a thing to me.
Living somewhere may do something, but a trip isn't going to cut it.
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At this point maybe you should sit back and realize you aren't like most people. Once you're much older and likely have responsibilities and obligations that prevent you from going anywhere even if you are willing and able to spend the money, you can feel good about your decision to stick to pictures.
 
I dont justify it, I just go...I have the money to go do the things I wanted to since I was a kid and as long as I can afford the time, money is secondary.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Ah, to be able to live with such reckless abandon. "/
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I didn't used to be like this all the time. I was a fuckin tightwad man. wrapped up in thinking too much and just too tightly wound to do anything fun. One day though I got a wild hair up my ass and I dropped out of school, quit my shitty job and went back to doing the stuff I love. I'm not saying that's what you need to do, but taking a risk and knowing that you are doing this for yourself and no one else's expectations should always come first. You should go to tokyo and have an amazing time. That's something I've wanted to do, but not alone though I wouldnt mind having a friend or two ..anyways though, just stop overthinking things so much. You want to go on a great trip, you are financially stable and have things already kinda planned out. go for it because you'll just regret it later when you don't have the time or the money. If you are that paranoid about things, set yourself a budget for the trip. You don't have to spend extravagant amounts of money to have a good time I'd imagine. It's bloody tokyo, just walking down akihabra would be a fantastic way to spend a weekend.
 
Inspiration that comes from new and interesting experiences is something that's difficult to put value on for me. Traveling definitely falls into that category. (I need all kinds of inspiration for my job, but even without that, it does your mind good)
 
wenis said:
I didn't used to be like this all the time. I was a fuckin tightwad man. wrapped up in thinking too much and just too tightly wound to do anything fun. One day though I got a wild hair up my ass and I dropped out of school, quit my shitty job and went back to doing the stuff I love. I'm not saying that's what you need to do, but taking a risk and knowing that you are doing this for yourself and no one else's expectations should always come first. You should go to tokyo and have an amazing time. That's something I've wanted to do, but not alone though I wouldnt mind having a friend or two ..anyways though, just stop overthinking things so much. You want to go on a great trip, you are financially stable and have things already kinda planned out. go for it because you'll just regret it later when you don't have the time or the money. If you are that paranoid about things, set yourself a budget for the trip. You don't have to spend extravagant amounts of money to have a good time I'd imagine. It's bloody tokyo, just walking down akihabra would be a fantastic way to spend a weekend.
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RevenantKioku said:
I don't buy that shit for a second.
Going somewhere for a week doesn't get culture into your life. You may get a brief taste of it, but that's it. And "seeing wonderful things" doesn't do anything that a picture and a short description can't. People like to justify with this bullshit, but I've read about plenty of things and seeing them and being there didn't add a thing to me.
Living somewhere may do something, but a trip isn't going to cut it.
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That's just blatantly false. Just because you're being cynical and not open-minded doesn't mean others have the same issues while traveling. I gained way more from my 2 weeks in Europe than I did in a year of European history + culture classes. There's no replacement for physically being somewhere and no substitute for first-hand experience. No book, picture, or written description can match it.
 
RevenantKioku said:
It just feels irresponsible to spend that much money to have a good time even if I can afford it. I don't know. I've never done something like this before.
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you'd be absolutely horrified by my spending habits then !

i booked $500 worth of airfares to Bali and $700 worth of accommodation on absolute impulse this month and haven't regretted it for an instant :P and im hardly made of money!
 
RevenantKioku said:
Not being open minded because I don't get anything extra out of going to locations I have read about?
Not to mention traveling is more stressful than not traveling, so hell, there's that too. :P
I'm still going to go and try to have a good time, but I just don't "get it".
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you are not going to enjoy yourself..im telling you right now. I want you to enjoy yourself, but you wont man...fucking christ hahaha :lol
 
RevenantKioku said:
I don't buy that shit for a second.
Going somewhere for a week doesn't get culture into your life. You may get a brief taste of it, but that's it. And "seeing wonderful things" doesn't do anything that a picture and a short description can't. People like to justify with this bullshit, but I've read about plenty of things and seeing them and being there didn't add a thing to me.
Living somewhere may do something, but a trip isn't going to cut it.
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Well, I don't know where you grew up or what things were like with your family vacations, but I've never been anywhere, never travelled at all. Period. If you seriously can't see how it's possible someone could be bettered by the opportunity to be exposed to totally new things, seeing fine art or architecture in person, interacting with new and different people, social groups, ethnicities or cultures... man, I don't even know what to say.

I've seen the same people, the same buildings, driven the same road to and from work and whatever for, like, 20-odd years. No, you're probably right, seeing anything else would be pointless. I should just Google a place I'd like to go and be content.
 
So you've never travelled, but you think it's silly?

Nice.

While I can see where you're coming from, going places, yes "wasting" money going somewhere temporarily, is one of my favorite things, and I plan to do tons of it.

That said, this can be applied to ANYTHING. Why do you go to bars with friends? You waste money to go, on drinks to get drunk temporarily, and to see people who you're gonna part with at the end of the night. Or drugs, which give you a feeling, temporarily. Or games, which provide enjoyment, temporarily.

It's a form of entertainment, and it happens to be one of the more horizon expanding ones, if you ask me. Not to say there's anything wrong with any of the above, within limits, but it's a way to enjoy the time you have.

Everyone "wastes" money somehow. I know people to see almost every movie that comes out and buy DVDs/BRDs every Tuesday. I know people who kill hundreds a night at bars or strip clubs. I know people who buy games almost every week. In the end you find a balance of what you enjoy and "waste" your money accordingly. Not drinking or doing drugs leaves me more for the other things.

That said, as mentioned, being in debt alters things. I also know other people who think like you and have almost no drive to explore the world and go "places", and I just don't get it.

C'est la vie.
 
I think this is an important point...you've mentioned stress a couple times now. Do you think your view of luxuries might have a little bit to do with that?
 
RevenantKioku said:
Not being open minded because I don't get anything extra out of going to locations I have read about?
Not to mention traveling is more stressful than not traveling, so hell, there's that too. :P
I'm still going to go and try to have a good time, but I just don't "get it".
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The more open minded you are, the more you'll absorb from traveling. To me, your tone suggested you're not trying very hard to get the most out of the little things. Some of the best results from traveling even come after you're already back home and reflecting on your trip.

Also, traveling is stressful for you? There's your problem, that's defeating the whole purpose. If you're on vacation or even just traveling you should definitely not be stressed. You're too busy being worried to enjoy yourself.

I'm starting to understand now...
 
are you by chance a minimalist? because the way you speak makes it seem that kind of lifestyle would suit you very well.
 
RevenantKioku said:
IMMENSELY stressful.
First is leaving the house for a large period of time and all the dangers involved with that.
Having a sequence of trains, planes, etc to catch.
Being somewhere where if something is lost you have a greater chance of never retrieving it, i.e. forgetting something at a hotel.
Being in an unfamiliar location itself is stressful.
Not to mention knowing that I am spending a lot of money on something is stressful.
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Vacations are supposed to be fun not stressful. General rule of thumb if something is stressful you don't do it unless you have to.
 
RevenantKioku said:
IMMENSELY stressful.
First is leaving the house for a large period of time and all the dangers involved with that.
Having a sequence of trains, planes, etc to catch.
Being somewhere where if something is lost you have a greater chance of never retrieving it, i.e. forgetting something at a hotel.
Being in an unfamiliar location itself is stressful.
Not to mention knowing that I am spending a lot of money on something is stressful.
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Damn dude, that's just...depressing
 
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