Skeletos311
Junior Member
This isn't about corporations. It's about you trying to tell me I'm wrong, because Nintendo hasn't made a new Metroid.
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how do you think konami could bring Castlevania back to life?
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This isn't about corporations. It's about you trying to tell me I'm wrong, because Nintendo hasn't made a new Metroid.
humansarehorses
Member
Well, that's completely wrong.
You said that Nintendo would do XYZ when there's a completely analogous situation of them clearly not doing XYZ. That's what I initially pointed out. Then you moved into how Nintendo sees the sales potential, blah, blah, blah.
Skeletos311
Junior Member
No, you're wrong about everything you've ever posted, because I said so!
Personally, if I were to reboot the franchise I would take in in a completely different direction. I would like it to go "back to the roots" in a number of ways. First being that the first Castlevania was essentially a homage to golden age Hollywood horror, so I would want the games to evoke that kind of thing again. Like, give the presentation that kind of old school horror film vibe ala House of the Dead (I mean, Castlevania 3's intro even did the whole faux film reel thing), and let the soundtrack be Goblin style horror rock with unabashed use of mellotron.
As for the gameplay I would like it to be deliberately slow and methodical again like the old games, instead of just indulging in the typical modern sensibilities of fast paced twitchy action. Make it feel slow yet weighty, where each individual action has more impact and consequence.
As for the gameplay I would like it to be deliberately slow and methodical again like the old games, instead of just indulging in the typical modern sensibilities of fast paced twitchy action. Make it feel slow yet weighty, where each individual action has more impact and consequence.
Starsunder
Member
I'm glad IGA is bringing us Bloodstained, because konami isn't doing a goddamn thing with castlevania. As my favorite franchise, that hurts to say.
Bloodstained looks incredible tho. Super excited for it. Hope he brings as much castlevania as he can to the series
Bloodstained looks incredible tho. Super excited for it. Hope he brings as much castlevania as he can to the series
eXistor
Member
I know everyone is sick of the comparison, but ever since Demon's Souls I've considered the Souls games and especially Bloodborne to be spiritual successors to Castlevania. Obviously they have many differences, but imagine a more fast-paced and focused Bloodborne with some rocking tunes and you basically have a modern Castlevania.
Either that or just 2D ones, but I'm kinda done with the Metroidvania style Castlevania's tbh, they've never come close to being as good as Metroid with its mediocre level-design, but go back to Castlevania's glorydays (I, III, IV, Rondo) and you could have a solid seller provided the quality is there.
But ultimately: just let it go please, it's never gonna be relevant again so at least let it die with some dignity intact and don't ever let Mercury Steam tarnish it any further than they already have.
What would be gained by doing this?
Either that or just 2D ones, but I'm kinda done with the Metroidvania style Castlevania's tbh, they've never come close to being as good as Metroid with its mediocre level-design, but go back to Castlevania's glorydays (I, III, IV, Rondo) and you could have a solid seller provided the quality is there.
But ultimately: just let it go please, it's never gonna be relevant again so at least let it die with some dignity intact and don't ever let Mercury Steam tarnish it any further than they already have.
What would be gained by doing this?
B_Spooky13
Member
Man seeing this makes me really miss playing Lament of Innocence
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't need "Castlevania". I need more game's like Castlevania.
Reintroduce the best 2D installment of the series to many that weren't even alive or were infants when it released.
Also I want to play it
This is also part of the reason why I'm dreading the Mega Man game based on the upcoming cartoon. We don't have any art for the Castlevania show yet so things don't feel as dire as Boom & the upcoming Mega Man, though.
That said... Yeah. I still think Konami's staying away from the games industry, and is just going to keep the IP profitable through the cartoon. Maybe it will get a game, but odds are that it'll be a rushed licensed effort that Konami will have no part of. That'd be the low point for any other company's fall from grace, but we've seen Konami go lower.
isaacnukem
Member
Compile all the Metroidvania titles into one package, put trophies for each of them, then announce a new 2D Metroidvania. Seriously, all of their Metroidvanias are awesome, I need more.
dark_chris
Member
Sell it to a different developer.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
We should stop thinking Konami is committed to make quality games anymore. Just let it go.
isaacnukem
Member
Who would do it justice?
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
isaacnukem
Member
It's such a shame, Konami is one of the best game makers of all time. Two of their games are my top 2 titles of all time. How the mighty have fallen.
Corronchilejano
Member
Castlevania Zombies: An endless 2d runner ala Mario Run.
Transistor
Banned
Drinkbox
isaacnukem
Member
You have carved yourselves a place in history with Ori, I agree and I can't wait for what you have in store next for usMoon Studios.
But we'd rather work on our own projects
PS: technically if you get the Castlevania IP it would be your own project, but I bet you meant your own original IP
they did that like 6 times on nintendo handhelds...
I can get behind this,
the IP needs some sort of reinvention but also keeping its DNA
Transistor
Banned
I'd love for a simultaneous series of Classic-vania, Iga-vania, and 3D-vania. Kinda like how Mega Man and Mega Man X coexisted
I feel platinum make more garbage than good these days. I'm not really interested in a soulsvania either.
RecRoulette
Member
A tie in with that cartoon could be a good start.
isaacnukem
Member
They already did this with their last proper 2D outing with Shanoah
Transistor
Banned
You talking about Mirror of Fate?
They're both the same genre. If Nintendo hasn't released a 2D Metroid since 2004, what makes you think they'll release a 2D Castlevania?
You won't get Symphony of the Night, you'll get Federation Force.
MissCauthon
Member
Make a game like super castlevania 4 with sweet music.
with sweet music.isaacnukem
Member
Order of Ecclesia
Transistor
Banned
Ah, OK. OOE was probably my favorite Igavania ever. Shame that's the last one we got.
wait what do you mean,
Mirror of Fate is the last proper 2D castlevania we got, it's canon
Glass Rebel
Member
With IGA gone, I don't really want them to continue the 2D games. There's no way to go but down after Order of Ecclesia anyway.
As for 3D games, I don't even know who could properly bring the franchise to the 3D space. People keep mentioning FromSoftware and I guess something like Otogi wouldn't be a bad fit.
As for 3D games, I don't even know who could properly bring the franchise to the 3D space. People keep mentioning FromSoftware and I guess something like Otogi wouldn't be a bad fit.
Transistor
Banned
OOE was the last Iga-vania, though. That's what I meant.
MoF was more of a Classic-vania
DyslexicAlucard
Member
I don't think that Castlevania bombed as a series as badly as everyone thinks it did. Yeah, LoS2 disappointed, but it had a ton of development problems. The original LoS did surprisingly well for Konami though. Plus, the series never sold crazy numbers anyway. It was always just a solid performer that did well with a dedicated fanbase.
So really, I think it could return to form if they focused on a 2D (or 2.5D) project with a reasonable budget, a middle-tier price ($30-40) and released it on PSN, XBL and Steam (maybe Switch too). It's up to them whether they go to their roots and make it level-based, or continue with the "Metroidvania" style. I think the latter is safer, but both could work.
Heck, if we got a LoS2, why not a Symphony of the Night 2? I'd love another game starring Alucard. Just make sure Ayami Kojima does the art again and
Michiru Yamaha composes the soundtrack. I'd be in heaven, TBH.
So really, I think it could return to form if they focused on a 2D (or 2.5D) project with a reasonable budget, a middle-tier price ($30-40) and released it on PSN, XBL and Steam (maybe Switch too). It's up to them whether they go to their roots and make it level-based, or continue with the "Metroidvania" style. I think the latter is safer, but both could work.
Heck, if we got a LoS2, why not a Symphony of the Night 2? I'd love another game starring Alucard. Just make sure Ayami Kojima does the art again and
Michiru Yamaha composes the soundtrack. I'd be in heaven, TBH.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
Fifty Shades of Grey is still ongoing. So how about a title where Dracula is a wealthy count that treats his girlfriend terribly, and she ends up developing Stockholm Syndrome while setting women back culturally 60 years. It can be a visual novel where you play a Belmont that has to woo her away from the Dark Prince.
Skeletos311
Junior Member
OK you guys are right. If Nintendo bought Castlevania, they would just sit on it and do nothing, because some games in the series are kind of like Metroid.
SiegfriedFM
Member
I am probably one of the greatest Castlevania fans, and by this point I don't really see how they could make me care anymore. I mean, they've thrown away all their producers and took a huge dump on IGA. Unless it's 100% the best thing ever, I wouldn't even want to give Konami my money.
It's done. It's The Beatles in 1971. We had a great time, but it's over now. Maybe IGA can recapture the thing with Bloodstained. If not, at least it inspired a generation of ambitious indies.
And besides the 1999 thing, there's really not much to be seen. We have a fairly complete timeline. They could make Dracula pop up in another year and get fought down by another random Belmont, but that wouldn't really be any more interesting than whatever Bloodstained can do. Heck, it's basically another Order of Ecclesia already.
Now, Suikoden is what really hurts, because that's a story that wasn't even near done.
It's done. It's The Beatles in 1971. We had a great time, but it's over now. Maybe IGA can recapture the thing with Bloodstained. If not, at least it inspired a generation of ambitious indies.
And besides the 1999 thing, there's really not much to be seen. We have a fairly complete timeline. They could make Dracula pop up in another year and get fought down by another random Belmont, but that wouldn't really be any more interesting than whatever Bloodstained can do. Heck, it's basically another Order of Ecclesia already.
Now, Suikoden is what really hurts, because that's a story that wasn't even near done.
Honest answer? I hope they don't.
Let it die and stay dead. Besides, we have a successor in Bloodstained that's more or less continuing the themes the series had pre-reboot. Isn't that enough?
And how would they properly develop a Demon Castle War game when the person who helped pen that idea isn't even at Konami anymore.
The 1999 game, if there was one from IGA, would have been a multiplayer game. And we've seen how Konami ruined online, multiplayer systems with Metal Gear Solid V...
Let them wallow in Pachinko hell, because I imagine any product they get behind elsewhere will be something most of us wish vanished into black holes, at this point.
Let it die and stay dead. Besides, we have a successor in Bloodstained that's more or less continuing the themes the series had pre-reboot. Isn't that enough?
And how would they properly develop a Demon Castle War game when the person who helped pen that idea isn't even at Konami anymore.
The 1999 game, if there was one from IGA, would have been a multiplayer game. And we've seen how Konami ruined online, multiplayer systems with Metal Gear Solid V...
Let them wallow in Pachinko hell, because I imagine any product they get behind elsewhere will be something most of us wish vanished into black holes, at this point.
whalleywhat
Member
A Souls ripoff with Castlevania trimmings wouldn't be entirely offensive.
Comandr
Member
Oh my god. If Castlevania came back as an otome VN game... I can practically hear the screams now. Too funny.
I actually really liked the tone and setting of Lords of Shadow. I would have preferred them to be more in line with the metroidvania style... But as Castlevania goes, they were pretty much just the original Castlevania (straight action game) formula by today's standard.
That said, I really don't feel confident that Konami could resurrect this series. We'll never have another SoTN or even Aria of Sorrow.
There's always Bloodstained! Which, from the E3 demo, feels almost exactly like SoTN/AoS. Even has soul collecting!
Augemitbutter
Member
just give it to arc system works. they know how to improve a classic formula. they did a good job with hard corps uprising.
for 3d we need a mix of souls and good platforming. cv was never super serious, so there is no need to turn it into a dumb horror game.
for 3d we need a mix of souls and good platforming. cv was never super serious, so there is no need to turn it into a dumb horror game.