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[XtremeXpider]

The modest specs for PS4/720 are rumored to be 2.5-3x, not that big.

The Wii U isn't as weak as I'm guessing your thinking.

Wrong, modest specs for 720 are 6X.

 

[Meelow]

Wrong, modest specs for 720 are 6X.

I fixed my post, I meant 2.5-3x Wii U.

 

[frankie_baby]

That's what I thought, so ram is 4x and GPU could be 4x, all we just need to know is about the CPU.

Followng most of the speculation with my own lack of technical knowledge and dodgy back of a fag packet maths I'd guess about 3x or 4x on that

 

[Jack_AG]

First: Xbox/PS2 are not "sub-hd", they are SD (Standar Definition)
Second: Any graphic card with the tech of Xbox 360 at 2005? just one please

EDIT: And if you don't see a leap between this:

And this:

You are blind xD

So just because I'm not "wowed" by visuals... I'm blind. Yep. There's a lot more going on for sure but, TO ME (that little thing you guys keep ignoring), it isnt a big deal.

 

[XtremeXpider]

I fixed my post, I meant 2.5-3x Wii U.

Ok, that's right

The higher specs are a HD8000 based GPU.

So just because I'm not "wowed" by visuals... I'm blind. Yep. There's a lot more going on for sure but, TO ME (that little thing you guys keep ignoring), it isnt a big deal.

Ok, TO YOU... What would have meant a big deal?

 

[sleepykyo]

I can't forsee a leap as large as PS2 to 3 - more along the lines of XBOX to XBOX360. The leap was there - it was nice - but nothing to write home about.

Aren't the two leaps about the same?

Yup... nothing to write home about!

From this:

to this:

Yup... No major difference at all. Nothing to write home about.

Lol...

Shrugs shoulders. The SNES to PS transition seemed more impressive to me.

 

[JordanN]

Aren't the two leaps about the same?

Xbox was far more powerful than PS2 and PS3 is slightly more powerful than Xbox 360 so no, not at all.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

It's been 8 years. There's no way it can't be a big leap.

 

[WiiredShawn]

If the consoles contain interesting games and valuable feature sets at acceptable prices, then outside of the technophiles who stalk the Internet, the graphical jump is going to be sufficient. We shouldn't assume that every single developer wants to produce bleeding-edge visuals - those have their time and place, but sometimes you just want to explore meaningful concepts. That's what next-gen consoles should cultivate, not rampant fanboyism.

 

[Astra]

I'd buy the PS4 up. As long as there's a notable improvement I'd be perfectly happy. Also, I'll hopefully have my PC by then, so I am in no rush to purchase next gen consoles. Wii U excluded, of course.

 

[Jack_AG]

You're just being stubborn because you're being proven wrong.

Even Call of Duty 4 on the 360 and PS3 is still double the resolution of Xbox games. Exactly double.

You're reaching.

Sharing your OPINION is not proving my OPINION wrong. :|

Seriously now. What you think is a leap - I do not consider a leap. Is there a difference? Yep. Is it huge to me? Nope. Is it to you? Apparently.

Opinion. See where this is going?

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[speedpop]

I don't really care THAT much about graphics. I just wish indie developers would make stuff that isn't inspired by SNES games. Like, I get it, puzzle game, puzzle platformer, adventure game, and rts

Where's the games inspired by stuff like GTA(like Retro City Rampage) or Hitman(like Spy Party) or Deus Ex(EoE) or 3d platformers. That's what I'm hoping comes from next generation technology. Good enough/usable graphic development kits that make stuff like that possible.

Of course, they can't even seem to do that on PC.

It's all about getting your foot in the door. The past few years has seen indie game development explode in popularity; before it was demos released on TIGSource in the hope that someone out there might actually touch it let alone remember your name, nowadays we've got things like the Humble Bundle making even the most quiet budding coder get a reputation. You have to remember that a lot of these popular games are in their first iteration, therefore the design selections are in the safest fields possible. When a small dev company gets the finances and can start pushing the development field further then you can get back to me about complaining about the "game design plight" of indie developers.

It's been 8 years. There's no way it can't be a big leap.

I don't think you'll be getting anything past what The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 can achieve on a souped up PC. I hope for my own sanity's sake that developers concentrate on physics, art design, and animation. You can make an aesthetically pleasing and beautiful game without trying to break the bank.

I am most excited in seeing what Nintendo's games will look like in 2-3 years time.

 

[AstroNut325]

You're reaching.

Sharing your OPINION is not proving my OPINION wrong. :|

Seriously now. What you think is a leap - I do not consider a leap. Is there a difference? Yep. Is it huge to me? Nope. Is it to you? Apparently.

Opinion. See where this is going?

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Fortunately... there is no opinion in the matters of evaluating technological leaps.

 

[Jack_AG]

Ok, TO YOU... What would have meant a big deal?

Native 1920x1080 considering PCs were doing far beyond that resolution at framerates higher than consoles can muster at the time.

I.E. - better use of pixel real-estate.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Riots in the street.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Aren't the two leaps about the same?





Shrugs shoulders. The SNES to PS transition seemed more impressive to me.

Really?

Very good, yeah.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

They will probably do what people did for the Wii and compromise in a variety of ways that may include meltdown and/or denial.

 

[Jack_AG]

Fortunately... there is no opinion in the matters of evaluating technological leaps.

But there is when it comes to PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Yours is different from mine.

SHOCKER!

 

[XtremeXpider]

Native 1920x1080 considering PCs were doing far beyond that resolution at framerates higher than consoles can muster at the time.

I.E. - better use of pixel real-estate.

PC Games at 2005~2006 was not 1080p.

 

[BlackJace]

They will probably do what people did for the Wii and compromise in a variety of ways that may include meltdown and/or denial.

This.

 

[kodt]

I DON"T SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NES AND WII< THERES NO LEAP THERE THATS MY OPINION MAN.

 

[XtremeXpider]

I DON"T SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NES AND WII< THERES NO LEAP THERE THATS MY OPINION MAN.

 

[speedpop]

PC Games at 2005~2006 was not 1080p.

Crysis came out in 2007. It's still a graphical poster child.

 

[apana]

It's all about getting your foot in the door. The past few years has seen indie game development explode in popularity; before it was demos released on TIGSource in the hope that someone out there might actually touch it let alone remember your name, nowadays we've got things like the Humble Bundle making even the most quiet budding coder get a reputation. You have to remember that a lot of these popular games are in their first iteration, therefore the design selections are in the safest fields possible. When a small dev company gets the finances and can start pushing the development field further then you can get back to me about complaining about the "game design plight" of indie developers.



I don't think you'll be getting anything past what The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 can achieve on a souped up PC. I hope for my own sanity's sake that developers concentrate on physics, art design, and animation. You can make an aesthetically pleasing and beautiful game without trying to break the bank.

I am most excited in seeing what Nintendo's games will look like in 2-3 years time.

God of War 4K

 

[rdrr gnr]

The modest specs for PS4/720 are rumored to be 2.5-3x Wii U, not that big.

The Wii U isn't as weak as I'm guessing your thinking.

If the modest end of spectrum seems to be in that range (I mean, let's face it, it is still pure speculation at this point -- especially for Orbis) that's a significant disparity for me (maybe it won't be for developers). I'm not expecting MS/Sony to sell me a powerhouse at $200 hundred loss. Plus, we are still reducing everything down to a #x -- which is hard to do without some reasonable data from all parties.

 

[jetjevons]

So few devs & pubs are going to have the resources to take advantage of next-gen systems. True next-gen blockbustes are going to be few and far between.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Crysis came out in 2007. It's still a graphical poster child.

Crysis at 1080p? in 2007? lol, no way...

 

[magawolaz]

I'll probably commit sudoku.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

PC Games at 2005~2006 was not 1080p.

PCs were certainly capable of those resolutions even back then. You just needed the horsepower.

 

[Hiro_Kunimi_80]

"Still better than Nintendo"

this

 

[TUROK]

Fortunately... there is no opinion in the matters of evaluating technological leaps.

Well, it can be a matter of opinion (e.g. higher resolutions vs more advanced rendering techniques), but in this case, not really.

 

[MAtgS]

Compared to:

The HD generation was not as big a jump to me. Moving lips & models being a single piece instead of glued together limbs were far bigger evolutions to polygon graphics than any amount of increased polygons & lightning effects IMO.

 

[Alias Greed]

Will still buy both, but fanboys will be fanboys, and 100 page theards saying how much both systems suck will still take place. Not saying thats a bad thing, this is a gaming forum so we are all fanboys. Gaf will be Gaf.

 

[sleepykyo]

Really?

Very good, yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLVoMW-OVyg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Or1hawe0rg

By and large pixel based graphics were the standard on the SNES and polygons became the standard on the PS. So yes, until the switch to voxels (or whatever the next visual component is) becomes standard I'm not particularly impressed.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

I won't care as long as it's still stronger and still pumps out great games.

 

[AstroNut325]

So few devs & pubs are going to have the resources to take advantage of next-gen systems. True next-gen blockbustes are going to be few and far between.

I heard the same thing prior to the launch of PS360.

 

[speedpop]

Crysis at 1080p? in 2007? lol, no way...

Pretty sure there were people running Battlefield 2 in 1080p in '05. It just depends on what monitor you had.

 

[Baconsammy]

As long as the next Xbox continues with strong XBLA and multi-console support as well as providing the best media options, I'm in regardless of power. They offer me the most complete package right now, but I'll need a Wii U for whenever another Metroid or 3D Mario comes out. I'm done supporting Sony unless they do something light years beyond everyone else.

 

[rdrr gnr]

They will probably do what people did for the Wii and compromise in a variety of ways that may include meltdown and/or denial.

Dat dissonance. But, yeah, you're right. "Still more powerful than the Wii U" is not a wholly inept argument but that's what I'll cling to for now -- though i think my expectations are much more tame. A small part of me wants the next consoles to blow -- just so I can bear witness.

 

[kodt]

PC Games at 2005~2006 was not 1080p.

People were gaming at 1600 x 1200 and 2304 x 1440 in 1999.

 

[apana]

Nintendo will be blamed for forcing Sony and Microsoft to get out of the graphics race. "They stealing our graphix."

 

[Pachterballs]

UE4 suggests they both will be a big leap.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Pretty sure there were people running Battlefield 2 in 1080p in '05. It just depends on what monitor you had.

Not crysis, Crysis was a HEAVY game even for top graphic cards. Any proof of 1080p on top games at 2005? I mean FEAR for example.

People were gaming at 1600 x 1200 and 2304 x 1440 in 1999.

It is irrelevant, Xbox 360 and PS3 can do the same.

 

[BGBW]

They will have a rather bored look on their face as they type a very angry response on the world wide web.

 

[sleepykyo]

Dat dissonance. But, yeah, you're right. "Still more powerful than the Wii U" is not a wholly inept argument but that's what I'll cling to for now -- though i think my expectations are much more tame. A small part of me wants the next consoles to blow -- just so I can bear witness.

What if the consoles are 2/4k for video and 1080p for gaming?

 

[AstroNut325]

UE4 suggests they both will be a big leap.

No No No. You don't understand. Epic, Square, Crytek and a bunch of other major developers are going PC only. I mean... why else would they bother creating technology of such caliber? The PS4 and 540 are barely going to be 2X the Wii U!

 

[Hulud]

I love this time on gaf when we are sort of in between generations. So many deliciously insane comments flying around. All the crazies come out.

 

[XtremeXpider]

No No No. You don't understand. Epic, Square, Crytek and a bunch of other major developers are going PC only. I mean... why else would they bother creating technology of such caliber? The PS4 and 540 are barely going to be 2X the Wii U!

And everybody will need a GTX680 xD

 

[DonMigs85]

People were gaming at 1600 x 1200 and 2304 x 1440 in 1999.

There were graphics cards then that could feasibly handle that? TNT2 or Geforce 256?

 

[Spieler Eins]

Sure, some late gen games look stunning now, but I can agree that this gen really didn't wow me when it began graphically. The first time I saw Rogue Squadron II and Luigis Mansion I was just blown away by the visuals, there was nothing like that when PS360 came out. And I imagine it will be even less exciting this time.