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[Toxi]

The parry in BB is easy and feels safer than DS so I guess that make Gehrman easier

Gehrman varies up his attack timings more and the Dark Souls 1 parry window is still pretty big, so even with parrying Gwyn is easier. Plus, you can't block into an easy parry like you can with Gwyn.

Gehrman's designed around parrying, even if he's still too easy with it. Gwyn is a complete joke the moment you parry him once because he literally will only do one attack on wakeup IIRC.

 

[Greatest Ever]

OP: "Dark Souls 1 is bad because I cant play coop with my friend the whole time and I have to actually explore the world to unlock shortcuts instead of fast traveling"

People like OP are the plague that has ruined modern game development for the rest of us. If you cant be arsed to playthrough the game without coop at all times then you shouldnt be arsed to play the game at all. As it is you hate a game for having specific mechanics to encourage the player to play in a certain way and instead of saying "oh hey maybe I should try playing the way it clearly wants me to" you just rage and rant about how it sucks because it won't bend to your will. Its clearly not for you. Can't imagine being so stubborn. Must suck being you.

RexNovis

I have a really bad anger issue and it keeps getting me banned. If I'm getting angry at you, just report me to a moderator, please. Thanks. Sorry. I have no idea why I'm like this.

I love you NeoGAF

 

[DorkLord54]

I don't know if it's the worst (DS2 does exist), but as I'm also going through it now, and after finishing playing through DS2 and BB, it definitely doesn't hold up as I remember. A lot of the bosses are pretty piss poor, and O&S aren't much trouble once you've played later installments. Level design is pretty good, though kind of a slog, though that's just part of the series' appeal.

I mean, was that ever in question?

Dark Souls 2 has the best PvP. Bloodborne has the worst.

Which is why I'm glad that BB is a better PvE experience than DS2, though I don't know which game's DLC I prefer, as both are excellent.

 

[F0rneus]

However it is an incredibly refined, well-made experience. The most polished Souls yet. It has great level design, great bosses, good enemies, combat is fast and fluid like Demon's. It's just that, if you've played all the previous games, there's not much surprise here. You've seen most of this before in one form or another. You know all the tricks. You know all the traps. It ends up feeling like a "greatest hits" of Souls, though a really well made greatest hits.

I think most Souls fans just find it shoddy on those points. It wouldn't be hated that much if the fans actually liked the level design/bosses/enemies. Most people would have settled happily for a good "best of" (which IMO it is) but even DSII's levels and bosses have more fans than III.

 

[Velikost]

OP: "Dark Souls 1 is bad because I cant play coop with my friend the whole time and I have to actually explore the world to unlock shortcuts instead of fast traveling"

People like OP are the plague that has ruined modern game development for the rest of us. If you cant be arsed to playthrough the game without coop at all times then you shouldnt be arsed to play the game at all. As it is you hate a game for having specific mechanics to encourage the player to play in a certain way and instead of saying "oh hey maybe I should try playing the way it clearly wants me to" you just rage and rant about how it sucks because it won't bend to your will. Its clearly not for you. Stop trying to force the game to be something its not. How does that make any sense? Can't imagine being so stubborn. Must suck being you.

lmaoooooo

If you need someone to play with I'll still play with you bud

 

[RexNovis]

RexNovis

I have a really bad anger issue and it keeps getting me banned. If I'm getting angry at you, just report me to a moderator, please. Thanks. Sorry. I have no idea why I'm like this.

I love you NeoGAF

Cute. Except I'm not angry. If I was angry youd know it.

 

[Rickenslacker]

looks more like a spear than a hammer to me

I trust the Mirdan's judgement.

 

[Goldboy]

Also despite being Backstab: The Experience, still better PVP than Bloodborne. In fact, every other game in the series has better PVP than Bloodborne.

I have a soft spot for DS1's pvp, despite how terrible the backstabs and lag were. I probably have over 200 hours logged just fucking around in Darkroot Garden. I never got into the "dueling" side of things though, so that's probably why I liked it so much.

 

[Greatest Ever]

Cute. Except I'm not angry. If I was angry youd know it.

Not my words fam

 

[zma1013]

As for the freat spear debate, Scraping Spear is king.

Nothing like chasing invaders away and watching them jump to their deaths off cliffs.

 

[TheCthultist]

What exactly is the point of this thread? The op makes a click-bait, completely opinion-based statement and then gets indignant when other people have differing opinions on it or when they try to present reasonable evidence of the game being good...

That said, yes Bloodborne's fantastic but it only got that way because it had systems and lessons from Demons Souls, DS1, and DS2 to build off of. And even then, I'd still only rate it second best next to DS1. If you're going to compare games that are years apart from one another as if they released all at once as a way of proving a poorly-worded point, at least pick games that haven't aged well. DS1 still totally holds up and while, yes that PC port is god-awful without the mods, the console versions (or the pc version with some mods installed) are immaculate.

I know its hard to accept, but every once in a while when people hype something up and go overboard with their love for it, there's actually good reason behind it.

 

[Trace]

Sounds like someone that gets carried through Souls games and now you're complaining that DS1 isn't conducive to that.

 

[Velikost]

I know its hard to accept, but every once in a while when people hype something up and go overboard with their love for it, there's actually good reason behind it.

Nostalgia


I just found out this beast isn't even in the game

How're y'all going to try and tell me this game is better than DS2 or 3 smh

 

[RexNovis]

lmaoooooo

If you need someone to play with I'll still play with you bud

Oh I see. I've posted in a troll thread. My bad.

 

[TheCthultist]

Nostalgia


I just found out this beast isn't even in the game

How're y'all going to try and tell me this game is better than DS2 or 3 smh

Nah, its in there, its just smaller. Imagine Guts' sword at the beginning of the Golden Age arc. Big, but not big enough.

 

[Goldboy]

What exactly is the point of this thread? The op makes a click-bait, completely opinion-based statement and then gets indignant when other people have differing opinions on it or when they try to present reasonable evidence of the game being good...

I agree, but on the bright side, this thread has some spawned some pretty fun discussion about the series as a whole and the pros/cons of each game.

 

[Velikost]

Oh I see. I've posted in a troll thread. My bad.

My guy, you wrote:

"the plague that has ruined modern game development for the rest of us"

but I'm trolling

Big, but not big enough.

I saw it, and came to this same conclusion.

 

[Toxi]

Nostalgia

I just found out this beast isn't even in the game

How're y'all going to try and tell me this game is better than DS2 or 3 smh

Well, it kinda is? Though it's a lot punier.

I remember actually having a lot of fun invading people in Sen's Fortress with the Greatsword.

 

[KillLaCam]

That honor belongs to Lords of the Fallen, a game that completely lacks any of the readability that makes the FROM games so good.

Yes, Bloodborne is the best Soulsborne game.

Facts

 

[TheCthultist]

I agree, but on the bright side, this thread has some spawned some pretty fun discussion about the series as a whole and the pros/cons of each game.

Yeah, now that I'm actually going back through more of the recent comments, this is becoming a great thread for remembering why I love DS1 so much... And also why DSII probably deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

 

[Shinjica]

Because Dark Souls 2 exist.

why this is not first post?

 

[Laiza]

Man, I am just absolutely sick to death of people badmouthing 2.

It's still the best Souls game in the franchise (not including Bloodborne because I've never played it). I'll 100% stand by that statement. It's the only one I've put nearly 400 hours into. The only one with PvP that's actually worth a damn. The only one with the balanced build variety necessary to get me to replay the game multiple times over. The only one with a new game+ that actually changes things up in material ways.

I adored the original's sublime world design, but that is not enough to carry an entire game for me. The sequel may have had a lot of negatives associated with it, but it's still, in my view, the single best-executed and most-polished entry in the series thus far. After all the updates and DLC there is no contest in my mind.

But I may as well be talking to a collective brick wall. I know everyone who dislikes (or outright hates) the game will not be swayed. Just one of those things.

Still wish I could read way less badmouthing of the game.

 

[Greddleok]

The only one I couldn't finish is DS3, because it was so boring.

DS1 is my absolute favourite. The world design, the lore and the bosses are all some of the best FROM have ever made.

 

[Greatest Ever]

Nostalgia


I just found out this beast isn't even in the game

How're y'all going to try and tell me this game is better than DS2 or 3 smh

This is Dark Souls 2 right? Asking because of how flat the lighting looks.

 

[Velikost]

Well, it kinda is? Though it's a lot punier.

Is this at least usable or is cumbersome as fuck like Greatsword was in 3?

This is Dark Souls 2 right? Asking because of how flat the lighting looks.

Yerp

 

[Prismo]

I'm starting to think that people who like Dark Souls 2 aren't doing so ironically...

 

[SargerusBR]

Well, it kinda is? Though it's a lot punier.

I remember actually having a lot of fun invading people in Sen's Fortress with the Greatsword.

DS2/DS3 Greatsword is the Dragon Slayer. DS1 is Golden Age GS. Hell, you can recreate Guts's Golden Age visual in DS1

 

[TheCthultist]

Is this at least usable or is cumbersome as fuck like Greatsword was in 3?



Yerp

Still rather cumbersome but not as much as later incarnations. Fantastic move set though, so if you have the strength and weight capacity for it, its well worth using.

 

[Velikost]

Still rather cumbersome but not as much as later incarnations. Fantastic move set though, so if you have the strength and weight capacity for it, its well worth using.

How far in til I get it

 

[brandonh83]

For me? They all mostly lump together in quality. Dark Souls II seems to be the black sheep, yet I've played through it a few times and almost have the Platinum, and I find it to be a fucking excellent game. The Souls series has joined the love I have for stuff like Zelda, Castlevania, Mario, etc. as they're all just top quality stuff.

 

[TheCthultist]

How far in til I get it

Assuming I'm remembering right, if you've seen the bridge with the dragon on it, you can get it. Just have to get the dragon to fly off.

EDIT: Ignore that, must have been thinking of a different sword. This one can't be gotten until Sen's Fortress... again, assuming I haven't got that totally backwards...

 

[silva1991]

Need to be human to summon, but lose your humanity along with your souls.

Am I missing something here? what's the bad thing here? it's bad that summoning(aka making the game easy) requires some priced instead of being free?

Can't fast travel between bonfires (at least until way late in the game?)

Earning fast travel after such a long journey is bad? That's easily one of the reasons why DS1 is the best.

countless of JRPGs do that too and I don't think anyone calls them bad for it.

Can't light bonfires when a summon is around.

little oversight for sure.

Demon's Souls: Killed the first couple bosses; haven't gone back yet. Gets a pass cause it came first.
Bloodborne: Played through the first few bosses alone; realized I owned something special.
Dark Souls II: SotFS - Beat the whole game with a friend on XB1. Long as fuck, but a good time.
Dark Souls III Vanilla - Got at launch on PS4; beat the whole thing with same buddy. Solid entry
Dark Souls: Why did I buy this
Bloodborne: Came back and beat the entire game + DLC with my friend. Still amazing
Nioh: Played up to a couple missions in the second region. Decent game with shit co-op restrictions.

Souls games are single player games at heart. If you coop your first playthrough in all of them, then I'm not sure you will get the greatness of the series let alone especially GOAT Dark Souls 1.

 

[WheelHoss1]

because its the best one.

This.

 

[Defuser]

Dark Souls 1 interconnected level design is best. It allows you to travel various interconnected ways to beat the bosses in a different order with different builds instead of the linear way. BB,DS2 and DS3 sorely lacked that design.

The Master Key makes a big difference. Instead of beating the gargoyles or even the taurus demon, you could beat quelagg,4 kings, Sif,Moonlight buttefly, pinwheel.etc before that. The game is that flexible.

 

[Velikost]

Assuming I'm remembering right, if you've seen the bridge with the dragon on it, you can get it. Just have to get the dragon to fly off.

I will look into this, bless u

Did you beat Bloodborne with friend too?

Your question is literally answered in what you quoted

 

[Toxi]

Is this at least usable or is cumbersome as fuck like Greatsword was in 3?

Cumbersome as fuck, but a lot better than Dark Souls 3 because other weapons and enemies aren't so fast. And it hits like a bus, again unlike Dark Souls 3.

Here's the moveset. It ain't pretty, but it gets the job done.

Assuming I'm remembering right, if you've seen the bridge with the dragon on it, you can get it. Just have to get the dragon to fly off.

Nah, that's the Claymore. The Greatsword can be found as a rare drop from Berenike Knights, or bought from a merchant, or found on a certain NPC's corpse after beating Sen's Fortress.

 

[AALLx]

That honor belongs to Lords of the Fallen, a game that completely lacks any of the readability that makes the FROM games so good.

Yes, Bloodborne is the best Soulsborne game.

@_@ ... Are you really DocSeuss?

 

[Velikost]

Nah, that's the Claymore. The Greatsword can be found as a rare drop from Berenike Knights, or bought from a merchant, or found on a certain NPC's corpse.

Shiiiiiiiieeeeet. Can you drop weapons for others like you can in 2 and 3? I'm guessing no

 

[LectureMaster]

The OP is entitled to his/her opinion but I could not disagree more and I'm sure many here would also disagree. Dark Souls is in my top 5 of all time. Bloodborne is probably my favorite game of the current generation bit it still does not capture the near perfection of Dark Souls.

This. I know bloodborne is GAF GOAT and it is my first souls game and I played 150 hrs on a 400 level character. But I have to say I love Dark Souls much more. I guess I will never have that unique feeling again when first descending to ash lake.

 

[GHG]

OP: "Dark Souls 1 is bad because I cant play coop with my friend the whole time and I have to actually explore the world to unlock shortcuts instead of fast traveling"

People like OP are the plague that has ruined modern game development for the rest of us. If you cant be arsed to playthrough the game without coop at all times then you shouldnt be arsed to play the game at all. As it is you hate a game for having specific mechanics to encourage the player to play in a certain way and instead of saying "oh hey maybe I should try playing the way it clearly wants me to" you just rage and rant about how it sucks because it won't bend to your will. Its clearly not for you. Stop trying to force the game to be something its not. How does that make any sense? Can't imagine being so stubborn. Must suck being you.

I came to post something along these lines... But in a more diplomatic way. But as it is, I'll just say I agree with this.

 

[super-famicom]

Dated trash? WTF Dark Souls is one of the best

 

[Toxi]

Shiiiiiiiieeeeet. Can you drop weapons for others like you can in 2 and 3? I'm guessing no

If you want something similar, the Zweihander can be found on a corpse in the graveyard right outside Firelink Shrine.

 

[Gxgear]

Most of the points you made are things that made the series more accessible, yet at the same time easier.

 

[Lanrutcon]

The more I try to slog through this dated trash heap the more confused I get. Where does all this praise come from? Was 2011 really that bad? I've been trying to work my way through it with a friend and I can't believe how many unnecessary systems you have to engage with to play through the supposed GOAT. We just beat the

Spoiler

Moonlight Butterfly

in his instance and that might be the worst boss I've seen in any of these games. Here's what immediately comes to mind after our session:

• Need to be human to summon, but lose your humanity along with your souls.
• Can't fast travel between bonfires (at least until way late in the game?)
• Can't light bonfires when a summon is around.
• Garbage Estus flask implementation (number carried based on bonfire, slow to drink, summons can't heal on their own, probably more dumb shit I'm forgetting)
• Molasses movement; super slow sprinting & anything below fast roll is a bad time
• Dope PC port that requires several mods and tweaks to run decently

hahahah you've been spoiled, I see. Only valid complaint there is the port quality one. I'd suggest you get moving, those bells aren't going to ring themselves.

Still my favorite Souls game, btw.

 

[SargerusBR]

You know what, the more I think about, the more I'm certain that Miyazaki and FROM used Dark Souls as an experiment for gaming concepts like the interconnected world and the bonfire leveling system. Yes, interconnectivity exists in DS3/Bloodborne and less in DS2 but neither of these games came close to the way Lordran was crafted in DS1. And DS1 still is the only Soulsborne game that you can level up in any place.

 

[Rozart]

This. I know bloodborne is GAF GOAT and it is my first souls game and I played 150 hrs on a 400 level character. But I have to say I love Dark Souls much more. I guess I will never have that unique feeling again when first descending to ash lake.

Or that feeling when you, on a whim, decide to shoot an arrow straight at Gwynevere and watch in awe as the illusion shatters and Anor Londo descends into darkness.

And this is something that is completely optional and missable too. Dark Souls had some really genius moments.

 

[Goldboy]

This. I know bloodborne is GAF GOAT and it is my first souls game and I played 150 hrs on a 400 level character. But I have to say I love Dark Souls much more. I guess I will never have that unique feeling again when first descending to ash lake.

Yep. My personal ranking is something like DS1 > BB > DS3 =DeS > DS2. Although they're all excellent.

 

[Vildiil]

Man, I am just absolutely sick to death of people badmouthing 2.

It's still the best Souls game in the franchise (not including Bloodborne because I've never played it). I'll 100% stand by that statement. It's the only one I've put nearly 400 hours into. The only one with PvP that's actually worth a damn. The only one with the balanced build variety necessary to get me to replay the game multiple times over. The only one with a new game+ that actually changes things up in material ways.

I adored the original's sublime world design, but that is not enough to carry an entire game for me. The sequel may have had a lot of negatives associated with it, but it's still, in my view, the single best-executed and most-polished entry in the series thus far. After all the updates and DLC there is no contest in my mind.

But I may as well be talking to a collective brick wall. I know everyone who dislikes (or outright hates) the game will not be swayed. Just one of those things.

Still wish I could read way less badmouthing of the game.

Ds2 sotfs was the last soulsborne game I played through and I tend to agree. The build variety alone made me enjoy it more than any of the other games. The DLC was amazing and it has the best pvp.

 

[TheCthultist]

Shiiiiiiiieeeeet. Can you drop weapons for others like you can in 2 and 3? I'm guessing no

You can totally get someone to drop it for you. The PC version has people who seem to play for the sole purpose of giving out late-game items to new players... not sure about the console versions these days though.

 

[Velikost]

Here's the moveset. It ain't pretty, but it gets the job done.

Dude I just watched this. Jesus fuck how is it so slowwwwwwwwwwww