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How is Wii U going to do in 2013?
- Thread starter hatchx
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You mean like this? LOL.
And Madden 06 was lacking features that the PS2 version had.
lunchwithyuzo
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I wasn't, I was comparing 360 ports in both cases. I think it's obvious by now that Wii U is a minor (if that) step up from PS360 tech wise.
Some games featured noticably improved animations, higher polycount and textures while others were mixed bag due to being current-gen ports with framerate issues. I recall some graphics of early Xbox 360 suffering from a vaseline-like appearance as well.
sorry, misunderstood.
You mean like this? LOL.
No.
Even though Madden didn't end up looking like that, it was still a big step up from how it looked on the PS2. Same was true for just about every EA sports game (especially Fight Night).
Yes, but I was never talking about the gameplay features.
But guys the thing is .. you need just one! One thing to impress, or make people hope. 360 had gears of war demo since the beginning if i recall well. PS3 had demos to, even the naughty dogs one. 3ds had the resident evil demo to show us it wasn't a 3d psp.
WiiU would need only one slight cross generation show off. I don't know, watch dogs, a capcom or SE game with cool shaders, something. When you have nothing to show, people wonder.
WiiU would need only one slight cross generation show off. I don't know, watch dogs, a capcom or SE game with cool shaders, something. When you have nothing to show, people wonder.
Projectjustice
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You were easily impressed then cause I remember Madden 06 having serious issues graphically. PGR3 wasnt a big difference compared to PGR2. it was just had a higher resolution. Call of Duty 2 impressed me a bit with everything it was doing on screen. A lot was happening but graphically it was ok.
PS3 launch titles were just about the same as well, but I wasnt paying that much attention to it cause that $599.99 label was scaring me away.
Xbox 360 didnt impress me untill Gears of War was released. The 1.5 label happened for a reason.
I'm pretty sure we will never see this localized. Obviously there is no interest for DQ games in the west and there never will be. Last two games sold terrible and with its very hard localization (it's an MMO game after all) DQX will stay Japan exclusive.
Even in GAF there's not enough DQ love.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Awful line-up, especially considering none of it will have that next-gen wow factor. Even if you throw in a Mario Kart U and Mario World U for the Fall, still a terrible line-up.
frankie_baby
Member
Dragon quest 9 did not sell terrible
Heart Attack
Member
no reasons for me to buy a Wii U, when the 360/PS3 have a much greater and better lineup by far. Maybe in a couple of years.
frankie_baby
Member
That's not everything you know, just what's confirmed so far
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Despite being mediocre gameplay wise Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were mind blowing at the time. Everything else aside from DOA4 though really felt like Xbox 1.5 to me but I didn't have an HDTV at the time.
So sad but then again I really just want a traditional DQ or port of VIII in HD for Wii U or PS3. How did the DS remakes do?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I realize that. That's why I even threw it a bone by adding in Mario Kart U and Mario World U in there.
frankie_baby
Member
There will be (at least some) big games from 3rd parties too
H_Prestige
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Can you name them?
whatever holiday title(s) they're planning are obviously missing from the list. Mario World U, Retro Studio's Presents Metroid, whatever. Smash Bros, also.
frankie_baby
Member
Well there's the mystery straight right ported square enix game which most of us think is tomb raider
I think there a few other notable titles that are big budget.
Aliens: Colonial Marines, for example.
But instead of worrying what Nintendo is not going to get from third parties.
Why not look at what it is getting from third parties. What is Nintendo's strategy?
Nintendo has a strong 1st Party line-up. I suppose we can expect 2 big games a year from them. They get decent 2nd party games. So what about third parties? WiiU has already gotten some multi-plats. But I dont think this is where Nintendo is placing their focus on.
What Im seeing is that Nintendo is working hard to get third party exclusives.
Like Bayonetta 2, Monster Hunter, etc. Nintendo want to differentiate themselves from the competition as much as possible. Thats why their online service is different, and their controller, etc.
Therefore, what people have to ask themselves is: what's more interesting, Nintendo's third party exclusives, or, the multi-platform games that the WiiU might or might not be getting?
Because how compelling have the third party multi-plats been the last few years? Was Assassin's Creed 3 a great title? Did the last Call of Duty do as good as the previous title? And what about Darksider's 2, Ninja Gaiden 3, or even Resident Evil 6- that has not appeared on the WiiU? And I'm not hearing to many nice things about Tomb Raider, or the next Bioshock. It would be great for Nintendo to get all those titles, but I think exclusive third party titles, designed with the controllers in mind and miiverse, will go a longer way then the multi-plats.
Barack Lesnar
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Tomb Raider looks like a good bet. Not sure what else...
We already know it's not getting these games from the first half of 2013:
Crysis 3
Bioshock
South Park
Dead Space 3
Metal Gear Revengeance (terrible name by the way lol)
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Fuse
Grand Theft Auto V
And this is just from the first half of the year, off the top of my dead. It doesn't bode well for the second half.
metalslimer
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The 2nd half of next year is going to be Durango/Orbis anyway. Notice how the schedule looks for next year? There is nothing big announced outside of Ground Zeroes that will hit after summer.
Heart Attack
Member
Those games alone are better than the entire Wii U lineup.
frankie_baby
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There's been hints about blacklist and gta5 is a maybe later
frankie_baby
Member
March
lunchwithyuzo
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It is getting Blacklist, it's just not official yet. It's also probably getting Lost Planet 3, a Deca Sports game and some other late ports from 2012 (RE6, PES2013).
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I know right
Barack Lesnar
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Ok, Blacklist and Tomb Raider then.
But not a chance in GTA5 makes it dude
shit i should've just edited this in to the above, sorry.
Dion Blaster
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Are you talking about a 3D Mario? Because that seems like the game that would most likely have the wow-factor you're talking about.
Those were people falling for Sony's marketing bullshit.
Please, show me an XBOX game that looks as good as PGR3.
Bad. Both Dragon Quest VI and DQMJ2 sold very poorly, and by the looks of it, they're the main reason Nintendo still haven't announced Rocket Slime 3 and Terry's Wonderland localizations yet.
Thanks. Wonder if that would be a game for me. Isn't it sort of an everlasting grind kind of game?
lunchwithyuzo
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Rockstar's offical line is they're taking a "wait and see" approach, which isn't encoraging. The original Cafe 01net rumors in 2011 claimed GTAV was Wii U bound, and basically everything else the same source leaked ended up being true, so there's a slight chance something may be happening behind the scenes. I don't think it's particularly likely though at this point.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah, a 3D one. It prob wouldn't be out till the Fall tho, just my guess.
frankie_baby
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To be honest I'm not hopeful about GTA but I think take 2 said they'd consider it
test_account
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It doesnt have to be magic. More powerful hardware already excist, so that is no hurdle. One of the things that drives up the WiiU costs is the controller. It is possible that PS4/Xbox 720 will use a standard controller, that will save money that can be used on console hardware. The price might be $400 - $500, meaning more money could be used on more powerful hardware. Maybe Microsoft and Sony are willing to take a smaller loss on the hardware as well.
Killing 3rd party developers and innvation is not something you will see in 2013. The "same ole games" is something that applies to every system. Most of the innovation has to happen on the software side.
Xbox 1.5 came about because the jump wasn't quite as large as some folks expected initially.
I'm willing to bet a LOT of that was because many people didn't have or had shit HDTVs. I personally was blown away and thought most games were significantly more impressive than anything the previous gen. I also had a Sony Wega Hiscan HDTV CRT.
I'm willing to bet a LOT of that was because many people didn't have or had shit HDTVs. I personally was blown away and thought most games were significantly more impressive than anything the previous gen. I also had a Sony Wega Hiscan HDTV CRT.
Projectjustice
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Didn't I just say higher resolution? And no it wasn't about marketing.
If anything, as of now, a lot of the last wave of titles for PS360 coming out before the next gen (and there are dozens of them), are not coming out to Wii U. That is very scary, because you have to wonder, if it isn't getting the multiplats now, will it get them next gen?
Yep, Xbox 360 was powerful at launch. I remember it edging out my 2003 PC, which had:
Pentium 4 at 3.6 GHz
6800 Ultra overclocked
2 GB RAM
Audigy 2 ZS
I think 360 ended up being about 2x faster than that PC.
I used my 360 at first with my PC monitor because I didn't have an HDTV yet.
lunchwithyuzo
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I still think Pirate Slime could be a great eShop only release. It's totally the sort of thing I could see doing well digital and lower priced.
I agree DQMJ2 probably put a damper on TW3D making it, but I think DQIV/V/VI might have less bearing on DQVII given the scale of the remakes (largely 2D vs 3D). In terms of presentation, DQVII is really a bit more like DQIX, and that game was a million seller in the west for Nintendo.
Barack Lesnar
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Actually, it was. Sony was trying to Dreamcast the 360. The "1.5" moniker came from a Sony exec's mouth.
It's not impossible for consoles to be 10x 360/PS3. No magic about Moore's law. However with Sony's debt and Microsoft's COGS for a streaming box, I think we'll see 5x.
Hell, maybe we'll be surprised because...
7 years/1.5 years to double = 4.667
2^4.667=25
So even if they cheap out and break even per system, 10x may be possible. The real problem is power and heat.
Hell, maybe we'll be surprised because...
7 years/1.5 years to double = 4.667
2^4.667=25
So even if they cheap out and break even per system, 10x may be possible. The real problem is power and heat.
frankie_baby
Member
A lot of people have suggested it may actually be easier to scale down ps4/720 games to Wii u than it is to scale up ps360 games
goldenpp72
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What is this shit about 360 having a bad launch? Call of duty 2, Condemned, PGR3, Perfect dark zero, Kameo, as well as like 15 xbla titles (including Geometry wars), and it was followed up soon with Dead or alive 4 in December, and Oblivion, Graw, Dead rising, Gears of War and Viva pinata the following year, and that's just off the top of my head. I don't care if you don't like some of those games, they were good games for their genres and mostly exclusive too -_- The Wii U isn't even close to that launch, and if you want to pull the reviews card you can too, as all of those games likely fared as good or better than the exclusive U launch titles. Oh and visually, they look comparable or even better than the exclusive on the U, 7 years ago. They also had actual online modes which most U games seem to lack entirely.
Playstation consoles have weak launches, but both the Xbox and Xbox 360, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast, etc had much more noteworthy launches than the U, and the main issue is how slim the year coming looks right now.. Hopefully more announcements happen soon.
Playstation consoles have weak launches, but both the Xbox and Xbox 360, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast, etc had much more noteworthy launches than the U, and the main issue is how slim the year coming looks right now.. Hopefully more announcements happen soon.
frankie_baby
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It did sell pretty well in Europe