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How long are gamers gonna take it?
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bonesmccoy
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bdizzle said:I meant games people actually care about. I think we'll be able to survive without the PC exclusive juggernaut New Star Soccer 5 lol.
Holy Shit!
That game looks fun as hell! Sensible Soccer for a new generation.
http://newstarsoccer.newstargames.com/
I just registered for the trial, coming out in August.
Don't have an issue with a lot of the stuff you mentioned. I've enjoyed a ton of games each year and next year looks even more crazy.
I agree more new IP's are needed but I'm sure they'll come.
If your on the PC side then sure, I could see how you would be more upset. But some of the stuff, like charging 60, is developers trying to earn more money on a platform more known for piracy.
I agree more new IP's are needed but I'm sure they'll come.
If your on the PC side then sure, I could see how you would be more upset. But some of the stuff, like charging 60, is developers trying to earn more money on a platform more known for piracy.
plagiarize
Banned
if that's what they are doing it's a terrible idea, because it's forcing those of us that legally buy our games to spend more, or to buy less games, while doing absolutely nothing to discourage piracy.Grisby said:
increasing the price of something is either going to keep piracy levels about the same, or make them worse.
but, i am wholly unconvinced that is the reason for selling certain PC games at $60.
piracy is regularly the excuse, but i think it's very rarely the actual reason.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
You forgot the belittling of the act of gameplay itself and self-betterment by most forces in development now, but the LCD comment kinda covered that.
Sadly the problem is us as consumers. None of those things would exist if people didn't support them. I make an effort to support companies with better business practices, not just with video games but with everything, but for a lot of people that's too much of a bother. *shrug*
echoshifting
Banned
Hey, change sucks, and it's especially hard when your demographic is less important than ever. I'm actually kind of happy to see AAA developers experimenting with ways to continue bringing us the sorts of games we like to play. Budgets had sort of reached a critical mass. Something had to give.
Not every experiment is successful, but at least the message hasn't been "shoot the core!" I mean casual games are printing money - not as a rule, many fail, but there's far less risk built into the development of a casual game. Whereas, one AAA flop can put a smaller developer in the ground.
Anyway, I'm with smokydave back on p. 1. I play iOS and Steam. I only have about a dozen PS3 games, and I've gone from being a 3-console gamer last generation to not having much interest in ever picking up a Wii or 360 (though I do envy the 360's arcade market, most of those games eventually hit PSN or Steam). I can see why the situation would be frustrating to someone who still focuses on big console games exclusively, especially when compared against the last generation, when huge developers were falling all over each other for our dollars.
Valve stated several years ago that they'd distribute no-Steam patches for every game they possibly can if they ever have to shut Steam down.
Not every experiment is successful, but at least the message hasn't been "shoot the core!" I mean casual games are printing money - not as a rule, many fail, but there's far less risk built into the development of a casual game. Whereas, one AAA flop can put a smaller developer in the ground.
Anyway, I'm with smokydave back on p. 1. I play iOS and Steam. I only have about a dozen PS3 games, and I've gone from being a 3-console gamer last generation to not having much interest in ever picking up a Wii or 360 (though I do envy the 360's arcade market, most of those games eventually hit PSN or Steam). I can see why the situation would be frustrating to someone who still focuses on big console games exclusively, especially when compared against the last generation, when huge developers were falling all over each other for our dollars.
Bentendo said:
Valve stated several years ago that they'd distribute no-Steam patches for every game they possibly can if they ever have to shut Steam down.
Hari Seldon
Member
I haven't turned any of my consoles on for anything but movie watching/netflix since the holidays, I doubt I will ever turn them on for gaming again. Although I'm not mad about it like the OP, I'm kind of really apathetic. Like, "meh, I was wasting too much time with that shit anyway."
The only thing I play anymore is PC Sims and Paradox games.
The only thing I play anymore is PC Sims and Paradox games.
plagiarize
Banned
i love whistle blowers like you. they stop game companies from taking things too far.Shambles said:
in the meantime i get to just play any game i want and enjoy it. that might be selfish. it might be shallow... but really i have faith in the gaming community to 'do the right thing' even if i rarely ever do myself.
still, the one boycott i did, i stuck to absolutely, and only stopped when the one thing i said would stop my boycott actually happened.
03/03/04 through to 07/15/09 i didn't give Lucasarts a penny of my money.
but project $10 doesn't effect me, because i buy my games new, and mostly on PC where they can't be resold.
DLC, on disk, not on disk, whatever doesn't effect me, because as far as i can see base games still offer great value for the most part, and the worries of base games being neutered for the sake of selling DLC hasn't come to pass, and would i think generate a significant outcry if anyone tried such a thing.
pre-order bonus stuff doesn't bother me, because i usually pre-order. heck, a lot of that stuff just makes the game easier than its supposed to anyway, and i often don't bother with it.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
I guess if you take the entire breadth of PC gaming, including indies and hobbyists and compare that to only the console games advertised on television, then yeah, I could see you coming to this conclusion.Vinci said:
Otherwise, by making such wildly inaccurate sensationalist claims, you're just making a mockery of PC gamers.
bdizzle said:I meant games people actually care about. I think we'll be able to survive without the PC exclusive juggernaut New Star Soccer 5 lol.
So games need a $50 million budget for people to 'care' about them? Frozen Synapse and SpaceChem are two of the best games released this year and they have absolutely awful graphics.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Grisby said:
You really believe that don't you lol
insert_username_here
Member
A second golden age would be awesome!Darklord said:
*facepalm*Grisby said:
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Archie said:
No, I enjoyed the hell out of drop 7 on my iPhone,, that game probably had a $4,000 budget. The point was there isn't enough PC exclusives to warrant me (any many other people) making it my only platform. If I had to pick 1 system for all of my gaming needs. PC would be my last choice.
Resident_UA
Member
I don't know... I think one of the best games that I played this year was Beyond Good and Evil HD and I'm most excited about Shadow/ICO collection.Icarus said:
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
There are just as many on consoles.Vinci said:
Bjoern the Smexy
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This is the list where I agree on these things being fucking stupid:
Also this list is missing "Pre-Order exclusives that depend on where you buy the game, thus you'll never get the "full" game, because something will always be missing or it'll be DLC that will cost 5$/€ or more per item, thus making you pay 75 bucks for a 50$/€ game".
Because this is the absolute worst. THE WORST!!!
Then this is the list where I think "Meh, it could be much worse, like, you know, the list above":
The "Lights of Death"...yeah well, my PS3 is still alive and kicking, my 360 has been replaced at no cost at all so...yeah, I don't really care for now. I know I will be angry if it happens to me and I'll have to pay a bajillion bucks to get my console repaired for which I payed 400 bucks+, but for now...nah.
Publishers lying about features and everything in general is nothing new. It's been done since the olden days of the NES. "THE ARCADE GAME! ON YOUR NES! OH WAIT IT'S A CHOPPED DOWN PORT! WELL, TOUGH LUCK, KID!" It's always been there. It's just more recognizable nowadays because developers don't even try to hide their lies anymore. Remember, Kotick hates videogames, he's only doing it for the money. Like prostitution! Only less contagious!
And here's the list that makes me go "Wait, what?":
As for FOV adjustment: What? Is it THAT much of a deal? I mean, seriously, what? I never adjust my FOV. Because in no game I ever played I COULD adjust my FOV, outside of the developer console at least. Is this really that much of deal to be angry about? Or is this just the jaywalking part in an "Arson, Murder and Jaywalking" post?
Though yeah, I don't quite like a 30 fps cap, but I'm not really bitching about it either. I can live with 30 fps, as long as it's not a genre, where 60 fps are practically an absolute must, like Fighting games or other genres that require frame perfect timing.
MMaRsu said:
Also this list is missing "Pre-Order exclusives that depend on where you buy the game, thus you'll never get the "full" game, because something will always be missing or it'll be DLC that will cost 5$/€ or more per item, thus making you pay 75 bucks for a 50$/€ game".
Because this is the absolute worst. THE WORST!!!
Then this is the list where I think "Meh, it could be much worse, like, you know, the list above":
I don't mind reboots at all. They can be good, like Mortal Kombat or A Boy And His Blob for example. Of course, they can also suck ass, like (probably) DmC or...yeah, that's about it. Haven't seen THAT much reboots this gen, really. They totally flew over my head.MMaRsu said:
The "Lights of Death"...yeah well, my PS3 is still alive and kicking, my 360 has been replaced at no cost at all so...yeah, I don't really care for now. I know I will be angry if it happens to me and I'll have to pay a bajillion bucks to get my console repaired for which I payed 400 bucks+, but for now...nah.
Publishers lying about features and everything in general is nothing new. It's been done since the olden days of the NES. "THE ARCADE GAME! ON YOUR NES! OH WAIT IT'S A CHOPPED DOWN PORT! WELL, TOUGH LUCK, KID!" It's always been there. It's just more recognizable nowadays because developers don't even try to hide their lies anymore. Remember, Kotick hates videogames, he's only doing it for the money. Like prostitution! Only less contagious!
And here's the list that makes me go "Wait, what?":
Motion controls, yeah well, I haven't seen many games that FORCE you to use motion controls. And even then I WOULDN'T PLAY THEM! Developers will see someday that less than 15% of all games that have both motion and traditional controls will be played with motion controls which is a small enough number to just throw motion controls out altogether.MMaRsu said:
As for FOV adjustment: What? Is it THAT much of a deal? I mean, seriously, what? I never adjust my FOV. Because in no game I ever played I COULD adjust my FOV, outside of the developer console at least. Is this really that much of deal to be angry about? Or is this just the jaywalking part in an "Arson, Murder and Jaywalking" post?
Though yeah, I don't quite like a 30 fps cap, but I'm not really bitching about it either. I can live with 30 fps, as long as it's not a genre, where 60 fps are practically an absolute must, like Fighting games or other genres that require frame perfect timing.
echoshifting said:
I was *livid* in the midnineties when that upstart Sony came in with casual games full of blood 'n' gore just to appeal to gamers who *weren't me*. And they had the audacity to be *successful* at it, too. The bastards!
I have since... moved on. But the rants here are *eerily* remeniscent of the nonsense I was spouting back then.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Every week it seems GAF gets more negative and serious (and elitist). It's depressing because I don't enjoy coming here as much as I used to.
Philthy
Member
This might really explain why indie games have been taking off so much lately. I own all the consoles and they used to be fun, but when I step back and look at them, I don't see much that I care for on them any longer. Sure I see a game here and there, but stuff like what XBL has become has me disenfranchised. I don't have to pay to play on my PC, PS3, or Wii. How come it takes me 10 minutes to figure out how to simply launch a game even if it is as easy as pushing up twice. Why are there ads all over my screen? How come I have to punch in a 50 digit code to see a friend? Why do all my brand new games have DLC waiting to be bought the day they release? Why not just toss it on the game before you ship it? The thing already cost me $60, you're not getting another penny!
While Microsoft and Sony are playing catch up to the Wii, Nintendo has already moved on and has gone back to a normal controller, albeit an uber one with a freaking color touch screen. Something all us Dreamcast owners once dreamed of.
I see Minecraft, Terarria, Star Ruler, Dredmor and I see some great indie games that are made for the love of making games. No huge budgets, but they have more soul in them than all the current console games combined.
I have hopes that the next generation everything is free, all networking, all patches, all DLC. It will probably be the only thing that will make me buy the next systems.
We all know it wont happen. So sad.
While Microsoft and Sony are playing catch up to the Wii, Nintendo has already moved on and has gone back to a normal controller, albeit an uber one with a freaking color touch screen. Something all us Dreamcast owners once dreamed of.
I see Minecraft, Terarria, Star Ruler, Dredmor and I see some great indie games that are made for the love of making games. No huge budgets, but they have more soul in them than all the current console games combined.
I have hopes that the next generation everything is free, all networking, all patches, all DLC. It will probably be the only thing that will make me buy the next systems.
We all know it wont happen. So sad.
Conciliator
Banned
If you put the incredible, rapidly-growing indie game scene onto the plate, this gen looks a helluva lot better in terms of creativity and ambition. The AAA(hate that goofy term) scene has gotten a little too business-y for it's own good, but there's also distinct highlights every year, and development teams who do forward-thinking, creative stuff even with gigantic budgets(Bioshock, Assassin's Creed). To be fair though, this is probably the most exceptional generation for obsessive branding and me-too strategies. But why wouldn't it be: We have shown time and time again that we will not buy brand new IPs.
Voting with your wallet is not stupid, it is the most direct and effective way to control the industry: Companies sell video games to make money. If we don't spend on money on things we don't like, they won't make those things anymore. Simple as that. The failure here lies with the gaming community, who is quicker than any other media community to whine, but slower to actually do something if it's difficult or inconvenient in any way. All respect due to you 1% or 2% that actually stand by boycotts, but for the most part, the gaming community near unanimously buys exactly what the publishers tell them they want, regardless of what they're upset about. We even go so far as to create an emotional tie of brand loyalty towards business entities who's only purpose is to coerce us into giving them as much money as possible.
Voting with your wallet is not stupid, it is the most direct and effective way to control the industry: Companies sell video games to make money. If we don't spend on money on things we don't like, they won't make those things anymore. Simple as that. The failure here lies with the gaming community, who is quicker than any other media community to whine, but slower to actually do something if it's difficult or inconvenient in any way. All respect due to you 1% or 2% that actually stand by boycotts, but for the most part, the gaming community near unanimously buys exactly what the publishers tell them they want, regardless of what they're upset about. We even go so far as to create an emotional tie of brand loyalty towards business entities who's only purpose is to coerce us into giving them as much money as possible.
Philthy said:
Ah not all console devs are going this way. Lightbox have said they won't start thinking about the DLC until Starhawk is released. Demon's Souls never got a DLC even despite popular demand and even if Dark Souls gets DLC it won't be the exploitive kind.
Dare I say even CoD keeps it good.They do overcharge for the maps, but there's no 0-day on disk BS. This is at least one area that makes it better than BF3 (EA) for me already.
I don't ever see exploitve DLC crap going away..at least until console gaming is king.
Is it a motion sickness issue? An FOV of 90 is just a bit too high for my tastes and starts to crawl into fisheye territory.Billychu said:
Of course, photography is a hobby of mine so I pay close attention to framing and am willing to give up a bit of peripheral view in order display a more attractive scene. I don't always enjoy a narrow FOV, but I don't think it's necessary to display a wide FOV in all cases either.
Now, if a narrow FOV causes motion sickness, then I can understand the concern. This is an issue for a friend of mine as well with some games becoming virtually impossible to enjoy as a result.
Takamura-San
Member
MMaRsu said:
What's wrong with this? What's so wrong about a developer enticing people to buy new games?
Speaking from personal experience, i have yet to have a problem with DRM. Experiences may vary.
Electronics tend to brake. MS screwed up at the beginning, but their customer serviced picked up and they extended the warranty for all launch consoles 3 years. At no cost. Its not the most optimal situation, but they stood by the customer in most cases.
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You would rather have franchises that don't sell and make no money. Good chief. Not everyone has your fine taste in games.
Do not blame the industry, blame how capitalism works. The more they can show their stockholders how good a game will sell before release the more likely they can get more investors for the next. Also pre-orders, if used effectively, can allow a publisher to determine how many copies hit the market.
As it was mentioned. There are indie games that may fit your great palate.
uh?
This is new?
They can't do marketing for new products? Do you know how marketing works?
I can understand this.
Sorry to hear that only your kind of people are meant to enjoy games.
Don't buy them.
Gamers can quit anytime. I'm quiting once the sun finally sets on the PS3 and 360, I'll still have a huge backload to go through and other games I'd like to replay.
I'm not saying everything for this gen has been great, not a fan of some of the ridiculous DLC offerings, the console failures (though that really started last gen). I'm not seeing the whole streamlining thing everyone else is scared of, dudebro shooters are still popular and like everything else, its time will wane. I think its impossible for the jaded cynical game to appreciate the gen they are currently in, I've never seen it happen, at least not in the internet age anyway. The general consensus is now the PS2/GC/Xbox gen was awesome, prior to next gen becoming this gen, the PS2 era supposedly sucked. People longed for the halcyon days of the PS1/N64 days, but during its prime, it sucked compared to the SNES/Genesis days. I'm sure if the internets were then what they were now, people would have bitched about the 16 bit gen, complaining about cartidge costs, a never ending glut of SFII and Mario/Sonic ripoffs. The gaming collective never seems to be satisfied with what they currently have. For me its a good time to bail.
I'm not saying everything for this gen has been great, not a fan of some of the ridiculous DLC offerings, the console failures (though that really started last gen). I'm not seeing the whole streamlining thing everyone else is scared of, dudebro shooters are still popular and like everything else, its time will wane. I think its impossible for the jaded cynical game to appreciate the gen they are currently in, I've never seen it happen, at least not in the internet age anyway. The general consensus is now the PS2/GC/Xbox gen was awesome, prior to next gen becoming this gen, the PS2 era supposedly sucked. People longed for the halcyon days of the PS1/N64 days, but during its prime, it sucked compared to the SNES/Genesis days. I'm sure if the internets were then what they were now, people would have bitched about the 16 bit gen, complaining about cartidge costs, a never ending glut of SFII and Mario/Sonic ripoffs. The gaming collective never seems to be satisfied with what they currently have. For me its a good time to bail.
terrdactycalsrock
Member
Every hobby has has some kind of bullshit thing or situation people have to endure. Thats because theres the business man, the gamer, culturally barriers, but whatever nothing is perfect. Lets not forget all those great memories playing co-op with friends, setting down to a great single player experience, or studying the different, but all wonderful, disciplines that make your favorite games possible.
disappeared
Banned
truly101 said:
It's cyclical. Damned near everything is, and it repeats and repeats the same as the sun rises and sets and rises again.
Wessiej said:
2011 is looking to be an year of ass games. I don't think there's one new game confirmed for this year that I'm legitimately excited about, there are some I'm interested in or keeping an eye out but nothing truly exciting.
Anyways, OP it'll only get worse. Just like Capcom's bullshit with SFIV and now the soon to be Super MvC3. Companies are greedy, money hungry assholes and they will never change instead shit will get even worse because people are stupid.
That's a damn shame then, 'cuz it's one of the best years in gaming. It looks to be right up there with 1998, 2001, 2004, and 2007. If none of the games being released this year appeal then perhaps the hobby is no longer for you. I'm a collector of retro games as well and enjoy them immensely, but I also appreciate the new games being released.Ezalc said:
I can only hope that those myopic gluttonous wretches who look down at adrian werner's list and see nothing that could aptly replace the sour, infected milk that they've been suckling from the blistered teat of the AAA console hag for so many years can find their way out of my hobby sooner rather than later.
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