I'm so confused as to where this conversation went. Yes, they own Monolith. I get that. We're talking about a scenario where Nintendo was a third party. You stated that games like that would never have been released if Nintendo was a third party. There is no way to determine if that would have been the case.
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How many console games would Nintendo sell if they went strictly third party?
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I'm so confused as to where this conversation went. Yes, they own Monolith. I get that. We're talking about a scenario where Nintendo was a third party. You stated that games like that would never have been released if Nintendo was a third party. There is no way to determine if that would have been the case.
i am pretty sure nintendo owns the trademark on sin & punishment. so it's their series as well.
so best-case scenario, they still exist, and worst-case scenario, they don't? that sounds like a fun gamble.
When Nintendo needs to get software on shelves, they'll put out everything they can.
I'm willing to bet that 65 of them are indies that will be available on other platforms.
DanteSparda504
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Personally, I think Nintendo should just get out of the console market and go third party, however remain in the handheld market. Its clear they know what they are doing there. That way they can keep pumping out bigger budget console quality games and gain profits, while also remaining in the hardware department and pumping out exclusive hand held games.
Worst case scenario is if Nintendo ceases to exist.
Brawl will be synonymous with my college years. It is THE dorm game. 
Nintendo's producers would have to change the feel of their IPs to match their new demographics. Gritty Mario and Zelda would be soulless games based off of years of marketing research. The IPs identity would die and Nintendo would fade.
Nintendo created their own audience and monopoly that they control. That's why they don't "compete." If they went third party they wouldn't be able to make the games they would want to make. They'd be sad and depressed and call it quits. They want to make games that resonate with Japan. And over there "kiddy" is the preferred design while ugly gorey s*** leaves them feeling empty inside.
Also their software only makes up 40% of their revenue. Subtract all the fees for going third party...and they'd lose about 60-70% of what they were making before. Or have we forgotten how huge of a marketshare Nintendo still holds in this industry? Nintendo is huge dispute public perception.
Nintendo's producers would have to change the feel of their IPs to match their new demographics. Gritty Mario and Zelda would be soulless games based off of years of marketing research. The IPs identity would die and Nintendo would fade.
Nintendo created their own audience and monopoly that they control. That's why they don't "compete." If they went third party they wouldn't be able to make the games they would want to make. They'd be sad and depressed and call it quits. They want to make games that resonate with Japan. And over there "kiddy" is the preferred design while ugly gorey s*** leaves them feeling empty inside.
Also their software only makes up 40% of their revenue. Subtract all the fees for going third party...and they'd lose about 60-70% of what they were making before. Or have we forgotten how huge of a marketshare Nintendo still holds in this industry? Nintendo is huge dispute public perception.
But... it's as well-structured a hypothetical as the sound of one hand catching the clap...
flatearthpandas
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Close enough. The thread for that list is not exactly inspiring.
PanicFreak
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I would buy Nintendo games on other platforms but I would never buy a system for the exclusive Nintendo games.
Definitely why I'm against it, also, I guess because I like Nintendo's consoles when they hit on the money.
1. I know, I mentioned it earlier
2. This revelation was thrown on me and I'm still in shock my Classic Controllers have some actual use now.
It really didn't blow up in popularity though. Sly was thrown under the rug hard after the first two, for some reason.
OG Xbox salvaging the awkward action games of its competitor and making it its core? I mean it's hard to gauge factual evidence on this matter and that's why thinking about things like this is fun.
But not everyone feels apathy, people just plainly don't like buying other consoles when the consoles they get normally are the most powerful console they can get, on an ecosystem that their friends have, and they have all the third-party stuff they want without having a sub-optimal experience. I mean I really don't know how to explain it any better than that.
They wouldn't buy it in the same ammount, but the games that they like and that are more mainstream would sell better. Mario Kart 8's 666% increase in UK is a very big indicator that people want to play these games, but they just didn't want to buy the games. When Smash comes out, prepare for even bigger numbers, despite it featuring on the more populated 3DS "ecosystem".
Ah, but of course that's why I don't want them in third-party. This is hysteria land.
Ahahaha, that's the fun part.
No doubt, I'm looking at the list and seeing some multi-plats but it is the way that Sony is helping these games, with the intention of filling their pockets, and trying to help the industry move forward that will make me think that the console will see fruition in games.
But if we are to be honest, Wii U, who especially nice to indies, is probably not going to be seeing much of a share from the indies on that list.
MrNyarlathotep
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How many more studios need to close before it sinks into some of your heads that releasing a title on an MS or Sony console isn't guaranteed moneys?
A surprisingly large number of those titles are on the "has no games" WiiU too.
A surprisingly large number of those titles are on the "has no games" WiiU too.
MisterGrey3000
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Those franchises doing well doesn't really change the fact that most family/casual oriented Nintendo-like software completely tanks on modern SONY consoles.
With that kind of logic, why don;t we see 20 new IP's a year instead of sequel after sequel from publishers? Nintendo would get all their owned studios to drop the niche games and focus on Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Party, and Donkey Kong.
They want software on the shelves, but they'd only want the ones guaranteed to sell. They wouldn't even bother with the ones that might lose money but gain GOTY awards and fan praise (cult classics) or games that barely break even.
90% of those indie games at TGS are going to be mobile titles lol. The E3 thing is good though.
nintendo is in a heap of trouble, and I'll admit right off the bat that I don't have a solution. I'm just throwing ideas out there. they could come out with a console that's technically superior to PS4, but competing with hardware specs isn't nintendos usual MO. they could release a console with some far out controller gimmick, but that's not a guarantee of success. personally I like the consoles that follow the good ole' NES format: use your left thumb for movement and your right thumb to perform actions.
wouldn't it be amazing to be right now a fly (who speaks japanese) on the wall of nintendos boardrooms. I bet they're experimenting with all kinds of crazy contraptions. then there's the hype behind VR; nintendo could release a console with a head mounted display that could also be hooked up to your HDTV if you prefer.
at least they are taking a break before immediately dumping wiiu. they need to figure out exactly what their problems are and how to address them.
wouldn't it be amazing to be right now a fly (who speaks japanese) on the wall of nintendos boardrooms. I bet they're experimenting with all kinds of crazy contraptions. then there's the hype behind VR; nintendo could release a console with a head mounted display that could also be hooked up to your HDTV if you prefer.
at least they are taking a break before immediately dumping wiiu. they need to figure out exactly what their problems are and how to address them.
If we were to consider Japanese sales (Nintendo does get accused of having too much of a Japanese mindset nowadays, right ) then ooof, maybe some otakus who own PS3s would have fun with some of Nintendo's games such as Fire Emblem, but other than that, yikes, Nintendo's Japanese console game sales would plunge.
) then ooof, maybe some otakus who own PS3s would have fun with some of Nintendo's games such as Fire Emblem, but other than that, yikes, Nintendo's Japanese console game sales would plunge.Aaron Strife
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I like when people complain about Nintendo's lineup lacking diversity, someone will bring up games like Pikmin 3 or Wonderful 101 and the response is "Well those didn't sell well"
Well whose fucking fault was that
Well whose fucking fault was that
Mysterious Stranger
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They would a sell lot more games but there pride would never allow for it.
Nintendo. On a near-sighted level, the lack of marketing.
On a far-sighted level, releasing a console that was underpowererd, relied on a gimmick that wasn't as appealing as motion controls, not having a unified account system, and overpricing their console, thus leading to a small install base to sell those already niche games to.
BruiserBear
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This is exactly why I'm certain they would sell a lot more games if they went multiplatform. I have lots of friends that own the PS4/XB1, but almost none of them have a Wii U. If they could buy MK8 on their next gen console they would.
They're not going to sacrifice quality. It's Nintendo. I think because of their current situation, they're taking a game that never made it out of Japan and releasing it elsewhere to, yes, take a risk, and see how it performs, while also getting another piece of software on the shelves.
MisterGrey3000
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Usually people who call for "diversity" in Nintendo's software lineup are asking them to create Nintendo versions of Halo, Uncharted, and Assassin's Creed.
I'm completely against them putting any focus into the PlayStation/Xbox audience. I hope that never happens, and it's very likely that it won't.
Aaron Strife
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maybe because sony knew what sold well and focused their marketing efforts on something with a better return on investment.
actually it's pretty easy. here i did the work already:
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[b]Microsoft Xbox[/b] | [b]Total[/b] |
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SONIC MEGA COLLECTION PLUS | 357,973 |
NFL 2K3 | 303,929 |
SONIC HEROES | 266,425 |
HOUSE OF THE DEAD III | 219,225 |
ESPN NFL FOOTBALL | 205,615 |
NBA 2K3 | 186,314 |
ESPN NBA BASKETBALL | 155,937 |
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL | 136,753 |
PANZER DRAGOON ORTA | 129,625 |
NBA 2K2 | 119,135 |
NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3 | 114,799 |
CRAZY TAXI 3 | 107,535 |
NFL 2K2 | 103,847 |
JET SET RADIO FUTURE | 101,533 |
GUNVALKYRIE | 95,840 |
SEGA GT 2002 | 90,572 |
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL 2K3 | 90,034 |
NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3 | 84,966 |
ESPN MLB BASEBALL | 77,792 |
NHL 2K3 | 68,271 |
TOEJAM & EARL III | 68,036 |
SUPER MONKEY BALL DX | 66,423 |
SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG | 65,389 |
ESPN NHL HOCKEY | 65,367 |
ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS | 65,003 |
OTOGI: MYTH OF DEMONS | 60,493 |
SEGA GT ONLINE | 49,018 |
WORM FORT UNDER SIEGE | 36,160 |
WORMS 3D | 32,742 |
SOCCER SLAM | 31,713 |
OTOGI 2 | 28,892 |
SPARTAN TOTAL WAR | 43,043 |
TAITO LEGENDS | 13,539 |
HEADHUNTER REDEMPTION | 10,253 |
SPIKEOUT | 1,534 |man, what i really love these days are all those crazy taxi, shenmue, panzer dragoon, and toejam and earl games.
essentially it comes down to guesswork versus facts. and until we have facts to show that nintendo's situation would improve elsewhere, i don't see the point relying in guesswork.
it's not even guesswork, as that implies maybe dragging in more than anecdotes. it's more or less fantasy.
Nintendo would be a monster third party. It's a testament to how strong their IP is that they can go multiple console cycles with their first party offerings being essentially the only draw. People like to say "look what happened to Sega". Well, Sega couldn't support their own console with first party only, because their IP wasn't as strong.
If the barrier to entry was lifted from Nintendo games, every mainline Mario and Zelda release would be a GTA sized event. There are no other franchises in games that have stood the test of time that Nintendo franchises have. People who know nothing about games know who Mario is. Nintendo should be the Disney of games, the difference is you don't need a "Disney Disc" player to watch Frozen.
If the barrier to entry was lifted from Nintendo games, every mainline Mario and Zelda release would be a GTA sized event. There are no other franchises in games that have stood the test of time that Nintendo franchises have. People who know nothing about games know who Mario is. Nintendo should be the Disney of games, the difference is you don't need a "Disney Disc" player to watch Frozen.
killer rin
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Well, from my side if I could get Nintendo properties on my Xbox One, that would turn me from not a Nintendo customer to a Nintendo customer in seconds. Nintendo has several game franchises I would be interested in trying out and playing, I just don't want to purchase another $200-$300 system which I know will just sit and collect dust 98% of the year.
It's the first time I've looked at that list, what's there for the PS4 doesn't exactly make me want to rush out and spend £400 especially as most are multiplats
Oh, I know the interest started drumming down, I was just referencing how I liked the series to the contrary.
Actually looking back, Xbox has always been invested in Sports and has had exclusive marketing deals, so I guess yeah, the sport market definitely did come home to the Xbox, especially with Live.
I'm not arguing that.
The real shocker is that Crazy Taxi 3 is a thing.
It really is a "fantasy", there is not much logical work to work with, so we often have to rely on guesswork so much that we'll never know for sure.But that's what message boards are good for.
Are those world wide sales? If so it really brings it home how ballooning costs have ruined the mid teir
but the Wii U is selling worse than the Dreamcast did in the same span
Wouldn't it be nice if I could play some ps4 games on my gaming PC? I mean then I wouldn't be stuck with the much lower end hardware of the ps4. The framerates, resolutions, post processing - everything goes up and I could even play shooters with a proper control scheme. Why won't Sony release their goods on PC? All you're doing is increasing the amount of money you make by increasing the amount of software you sell, right? Simple math.
Edit: oh and even better I don't have to pay an asinine fee to access the multiplayer component of the game, thereby allowing me to buy 1 more sony title to play on my PC. Everybody wins, right? More simple math!
Edit: oh and even better I don't have to pay an asinine fee to access the multiplayer component of the game, thereby allowing me to buy 1 more sony title to play on my PC. Everybody wins, right? More simple math!
MisterGrey3000
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There is a lot of weird stuff in your post, but how did you come to this conclusion?
GTA is an "event" on SONY and MS consoles because it's a tried and true high selling franchise that is specifically tailored to the needs of the young male audience.
Mario and Zelda are so far removed from that description that it's hilarious.
skLaFarebear
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As someone who's grown up buying every nintendo console, the idea of playing a nintendo game on a non nintendo console sounds so completely foreign I don't know if I'd even buy it. I personally just can't imagine myself playing Mario on a playstation.
I'm sure most if not all franchises would see a boost (if only slight increase) in sales, but Nintendo may or may not see a boost in revenue.
Right now they make money from consoles (excluding the Wii U for now) gamesales, peripherals etc. and don't have to pay any royalties. They potentially lose all that.
Games that you'd see a HUGE increase in are games like NSMB, Mario Kart... Smash Brothers and anything with Mario in it. Games like Metroid, Zelda etc, might not see a huge increase in sales. Most people I know that don't buy nintendo console have no interest in other nintendo games, but you can get that Mario game for your kids and enjoy them yourself as well.
Right now they make money from consoles (excluding the Wii U for now) gamesales, peripherals etc. and don't have to pay any royalties. They potentially lose all that.
Games that you'd see a HUGE increase in are games like NSMB, Mario Kart... Smash Brothers and anything with Mario in it. Games like Metroid, Zelda etc, might not see a huge increase in sales. Most people I know that don't buy nintendo console have no interest in other nintendo games, but you can get that Mario game for your kids and enjoy them yourself as well.
just the us. i don't know what it did in europe, but i can't imagine any of those games did much better in japan given the xbox's userbase.
They would devour Sony and Microsoft from within and we'd have Digital Foundry comparing the differences between the Nintendo Playstation and the Nintendo Xbox.
Actually I would have to imagine that they'd dominate so long as they retained their current quality and didn't go a more Sega-esque route, though the titles would depend more on the long tail still and their smaller series could easily get lost in the shuffle.
Actually I would have to imagine that they'd dominate so long as they retained their current quality and didn't go a more Sega-esque route, though the titles would depend more on the long tail still and their smaller series could easily get lost in the shuffle.
adamantypants
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I would buy Mario kart and that's it. If I wanted more than that I'd own a wii u
The fault of the fans, I guess. The people who praise the console, praise the games, but don't actually buy any of them.
Wait til Smash. Wii U purchases will be higher despite 3DS being owned by the larger crowd and it coming out earlier.
Still might not oversell previous entries... perhaps combined.
I would be one of them. I would happily buy Nintendo games on my PS3 or PS4. I just don't want to own a Wii or Wii U.
ChronotriggerJM
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I'm here. I'd like to play a few Nintendo games (Metroid, fire emblem, pikmin), but I just can't justify the console to play them.
I personally think Nintendo would do well going third party. The brand is strong enough to thrive.
Can't say the same about any of the other player's however. Like I imagine if Sony went 3rd party, Naughty Dog, Polyphony, and Santa Monica would thrive, but the others might struggle a lot.
When Sega exited the hardware biz, I feel like the only recognizable asset they had was Sonic. I don't think Nintendo is in that boat.
Shpeshal Nick
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One would think a LOT.
John Harker
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