Vane_MagicCity
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Exactly, if the Wii U didn't look too expensive before E3, it does now.
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How much longer can the Wii U go without a price cut?
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Exactly, if the Wii U didn't look too expensive before E3, it does now.
I would like to have the same thing you are smoking right now. Must be really good shit bro.
TheGreyHulk
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Even with a price cut, you won't see "great" sales numbers.
The system is a niche system. The casuals that bought the Wii have moved on to gaming on their iphone/ipad + android. That leaves nothing but the Nintendo faithful to buy their system. They will see dismal sales for the rest of the gen. They are nichetendo.
The system is a niche system. The casuals that bought the Wii have moved on to gaming on their iphone/ipad + android. That leaves nothing but the Nintendo faithful to buy their system. They will see dismal sales for the rest of the gen. They are nichetendo.
Wickerbasket
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It looked expensive before E3, and it looks even worse after E3 so I definitely agree with you.
It's just not a good value proposition to the majority of people, otherwise it would be selling better.
SolarPowered
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System is a dud and it needs the appropriate $100 pricecut.
I really wanna play Pikmin 3 and Zombi U
Vane_MagicCity
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Why?
I have no idea how they're actually losing money on the thing considering how many corners were cut. The tablet controller must cost a boatload.
Vane_MagicCity
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So you are saying that out of all the Wii's sold, most were not sold to people who also own a PS3 or 360? That most Wii's were sold to people who only buy Nintendo consoles?
I don't think they really can go that low. It would kill them. They are already taking a hit on the hardware, selling at a loss.
It was different with the 3DS, they cockily overpriced the thing because they thought the reaction to it at E3 meant people would pay the high price.
I can see a $299 deluxe as the limit of a price drop on Wii U right now. Honestly though, it seems to me that the Wii U is in for a rough battle this holiday. In addition to the new consoles, its also going to be competing with (most likely) dirt cheap PS3 and 360 bundles as well as their own 3DS and Pokemon.
In my opinion, I don't think the 'onslaught' of titles people keep talking about are going to help much. There just isn't anything that exciting to me in the lineup.
Nintendo can't magically produce those games within a month or two.
The console doesn't even sell well at 200/250 though. Maybe at 150.
RurouniZel
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I predict October is the latest we'll see a cut by this year. After Oct. would be disastrous.
Many consoles were sold to casual gamers who were interested in Wii Fit or Wii Sports, not in hardcore games.
Square2015
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So far the system is selling exactly at the rate of Dreamcast MoM therefore expect a price drop late August/September (followed by a mediocre boost in sales).
Sure, but I was talking about a 299 32GB with a game preinstalled, or better, a retail game of your choice from the eshop. You can get a 500GB for 50 bucks or you might even already have one unused at home. Does the PS4 allows you to run games from an external HDD? I haven't seen any information about it yet.
Various Artists
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Pretty much what I think except Id keep a deluxe at $299 include a controller include Nintendo Land and Supermario WiiU preloaded.
Didn't we agree not to use that word?
I'm saying that Wii U is not the by and large primary choice for a gaming device in the market as it stands. It is having trouble competing with current gen devices, I don't even know how it will survive against next gen machines.
Not being the primary console choice is dangerous, if you can't get those customers right away then they may get another machine and never look back. Some do buy Wii U as a secondary console, but that is a terrible position to be in for Nintendo and I have no idea how you think that can at all help Wii U.
In terms of Nintendo Only audience, I don't think it exists. Nintendo diehards will get the Wii U as their first/primary console which I guess is good for Nintendo, but they won't stay entirely faithful to it and probably have another backup gaming device in place to play 3rd party games. Because this sounds like a fairly large commitment in terms of money I think even for Nintendo fans it is getting harder and harder to justify getting a Nintendo system as your first choice. Basically the "Wii U first" crowd is incredibly small and getting smaller.
The Wii U needs a price-cut sometime in September or October.
The system cannot drop its price too close to the PS4's launch. There needs to be a drop in correlation with games, along with enough time so that the drop can be marketed well alongside the game titles to drum up enough interest in potential consumers.
The system cannot drop its price too close to the PS4's launch. There needs to be a drop in correlation with games, along with enough time so that the drop can be marketed well alongside the game titles to drum up enough interest in potential consumers.
"Many" were also sold to gamers.
Other games sold very well on this system and you know it.
Wickerbasket
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$279.99 Deluxe
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Of All Trades
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You've stumbled on another problem Nintendo is up against: the overlap between the console market and the smartphone/tablet market is probably close to 100%. I don't need the WiiU screen because my household has an iPad, two Nook HD+, a Galaxy S3, a Razr M, a Droid 2, and an iPhone 3GS. Anyone in the US with a smartphone also likely takes advantage of upgrade cycles, meaning more and more old but perfectly functional smartphones in households.
3rd parties are almost certainly going to tailor second-screen gaming to smartphone-esque devices. The WiiU may get those too but those games will have the experience hobbled by expectations of non-dedicated hardware.
AppleSmack
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Even if they cut the price by $100 (not even glancing at it if they only cut by $50) the console is still a very tough sell IMO. They need to do more than that.
Haven't seen anything said on this either, but the HDD in PS4 is user-replaceable like the PS3 and you can use any off the shelf HDD.
They are never going to sell it without the tablet. It IS the system.
I believe that Nintendo will not drop the price of the console from $350.00, but will change the pack-in game to New Super Mario Bros U.
The $400 PS4 does not include a game, so saying that $350 vs $400 is not really fair once you also buy a game for PS4 for $60. It is more like $350 vs $460. If Nintendo did lower the price to $300 with New Super Mario Bros U, that might be possible under the expectation of most people also buying the Luigi DLC.
The $400 PS4 does not include a game, so saying that $350 vs $400 is not really fair once you also buy a game for PS4 for $60. It is more like $350 vs $460. If Nintendo did lower the price to $300 with New Super Mario Bros U, that might be possible under the expectation of most people also buying the Luigi DLC.
SmokedMeat
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The drop definitely needs to happen befor the PS4 and Xbone release. If they drop the price afterwards it's going to loo like a desperate attempt to capture attention.
True. But it's no secret that the casual market made the Wii the success it is and not the PS3/360 audience. That's also why the Wii U is the failure it is. The casual audience has moved on to iOS and Android, with Nintendo not giving any incentive to buy the Wii U. All they do is provide sequels that look pretty much identical like the Wii or 3DS iterations. The sales of NSMB U already illustrated that such safe sequels don't set the sales on fire.
The Wii U needs to provide something that makes it a desired item. The current lineup does not provide anything special, it's just more of the same with Nintendo not showing the benefits of the Wii U Gamepad.
Well that would put Nintendo as the top dog since the bulk of gamers are casuals.
But used as a derogatory term just makes people seem silly.
Anyway on topic:
I would like to posit this, Nintendo won't start the cuts until their own first party IPs "flunk".
So until Zelda U fails to drive sales then
Vane_MagicCity
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The $400 PS4 does include a HDD though, something that will make up the $50 if you buy one for the Wii U .
AppleSmack
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It also includes hardware that is over 4x as powerful and actual 3rd party support. Oh and decent online infrastructure. Nintendo is WAY too backwards right now. Its 2013, not 2002. This company needs to wake up fast.
metalslimer
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Funny based on the games nintendo showed at e3 it could easily be an accessory
SmokedMeat
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So for an extra $100 I'm getting a system that will be able to play the next generation of console games, have all of the big third party games I love, and a 500GB HDD? Sold!
metalslimer
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Plus being a shit ton more powerful and another blu ray player
The problem is not that much the PS4 and Xbox one. If anything, these console will rise interest in a console upgrade, and Wii U being cheaper will be considered by Wii owners who overlooked it so far.
The problem is more PS3 and x360 low price to entry. Wii U is losing its sales against these consoles.
The earlier the price drop, the better. $299 with The Wonderful 101, $279 with Zelda, Nintendo Land and Mario. Nintendo needs a price drop and bundles. Lots of them.
The problem is more PS3 and x360 low price to entry. Wii U is losing its sales against these consoles.
The earlier the price drop, the better. $299 with The Wonderful 101, $279 with Zelda, Nintendo Land and Mario. Nintendo needs a price drop and bundles. Lots of them.
SmokedMeat
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It's the only thing that seperates it from the competition though. Without that it's just a poor man's 360/PS3.
Still way too expensive. Bundles with The Wonderful 101 won't help either as that game has little appeal outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, especially as Nintendo is unwilling to do marketing for non-Mario, AC, or Pokemon titles.
Father_Brain
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Honestly, as insane as it sounds, I think they really are going to try to get through the year without a price cut. Pikmin 3 is supposed to kick off their one-a-month first-party game releases for the platform, so why would they not have paired a price cut with that if they intended to do it this year?
That said, Nintendo's Q1 earnings release is on July 31. They used that in 2011 to announce the 3DS price cut, so perhaps history will repeat itself, but otherwise, it's probably not happening. Blame the Game Pad for this; it's probably the biggest impairment to Nintendo's pricing flexibility.
That said, Nintendo's Q1 earnings release is on July 31. They used that in 2011 to announce the 3DS price cut, so perhaps history will repeat itself, but otherwise, it's probably not happening. Blame the Game Pad for this; it's probably the biggest impairment to Nintendo's pricing flexibility.
Ninja Scooter
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Number 2 is never happening and would create an even bigger disaster. People need to stop pretending its feasible.
$100 price cut? The hell is wrong with some of you?
Drop the price of the deluxe to $300, drop the price of the basic to $250. There is no need at all for such a completely drastic cut like that. At $300 that makes the Wii U $100 less than the PS4 WITH A GAME packed in. That's very competitive and that's for the high end model, not even the low end.
Let's just make the 3DSXL $50 while we're at it! smh....
Drop the price of the deluxe to $300, drop the price of the basic to $250. There is no need at all for such a completely drastic cut like that. At $300 that makes the Wii U $100 less than the PS4 WITH A GAME packed in. That's very competitive and that's for the high end model, not even the low end.
Let's just make the 3DSXL $50 while we're at it! smh....
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the gamepad isnt a great draw but it's one their few needed draws. without it, in this scenario, it's an inferior ps3/360.
Yeah you're right. Retailers will cut the price further or offer some nice bundles (Just like they have done with the 3DS) so such a drastic cut probably is not needed.
But it'd be nice.
Again, sales of the Wii U remain sluggish even at 200/250.
metalslimer
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The Wiiu with 32GB of space being called high end is hilarious. And no one cares about nintendoland
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