So? It’s a dumb ass marketing phrase. And “better” … eh. First off, are the games better? Your time is infinitely more valuable than your money. So if it gets you to play a bunch of mediocre stuff and waste your time … that’s not better to me. I’d much rather spend 70 bucks each on the games I want than root through what I have available. That to me is an objectively better setup and life than what the current situation is. Maybe when starfield hits that will change. Currently, it ain’t good.Day 1 is a core feature of Gamepass that makes it better than its competitors. It's not just a happy accident lmao
Okay but then that whole discussion is pointless.As you quoted me quoting him...
He said "plenty of quality day one releases"
So no much of what you added I wouldn't consider quality.
MS is betting on user growth (think this better highlights the play cause its not just the revenue from GP subscription fee but also the revenue from the MS store)MS is betting more on subscription numbers than game sales.
MS is betting on user growth (think this better highlights the play cause its not just the revenue from GP subscription fee but also the revenue from the MS store)
Might be interesting and also kinda unfair to plot GP sub numbers vs software revenue.
Also could plot PS software revenue vs MAU.
I am not arguing that first party full game sales won't be suppressed but I am highlighting that there is more revenue that xbox is counting than just the GP sub fee. There might be reduced profitability in terms of margin in that tactic but it works fine if you can get scale aka Apple.Seems more like Sony is going to go big on both services and selling 1st party content.
No one can argue that Day 1 in GP doesn't affect 1st Party games potential sales peaks. They don't reach the highest of high sales because ppl will just download them instead in GP.
GP is making great revenue but the sales figures of their games have been affected. Halo Infinite may be the least sold Halo ever we really don't know tho.
Sony and Nintendo have very similar strategies. Sell their games as normal and feed content into their services to get profit from both games and service at their full potential
Just a few clarifications:Right now at this point in time MS has released these games on GP
Over 5yrs they released
Forza Motorsport 7
Sea of Thieves
State of Decay 2
Forza Horizon 4
Crackdown 3
Gears 5
Ori
Halo:MCC
Gears Tactics
MS: Flight Simulator
Psychonauts 2
Forza Horizon 5
Halo Infinite
In June PS Plus will have
Horizon Zero Dawn
Bloodborne
God of War
Uncharted 4
Detroit Become Human
Shadow of the Colossus
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Spider-Man
Miles Morales
The Last of Us
Returnal
+ PS1,PS2,PS3, PSP games for "free" with the service along with Astro's Playroom. It's a solid start.
At this point and in June there won't be a drastic difference between the services. Both will have content. MS will have alot more coming starting in 2023. Sony may be planning for that in their own way.
Sony and Microsoft have different strategies. Sony's wants to continue to sell their games(like Nintendo)
Those game sales will help fund their services better.
The sales revenue will support more content in their services boosting growth in subs and revenue.
That revenue from more subs will help fund the budgets of their games. It's a growth cycle.
Sony and Nintendo need game sales. MS is betting more on subscription numbers than game sales.
That was the sore point for you.Certainly is. You can count. Well done. The argument isn’t what is cheaper.
No, it's a core feature.So? It’s a dumb ass marketing phrase.
That's entirely subjective.And “better” … eh. First off, are the games better?
"You've got mail" is a marketing phrase. Day one is a core feature and differentiatior.And back to the phrase.
Do you remember in the late 90s (if you were around) how AOL coined the phrase “you’ve got mail!” You can probably hear it in your head as you read that.
That was the sore point for you.
Gears 5 bombed hard sales wise because of gamepass. they were even offering 3 months GP for 1$ with the game launching.Seems more like Sony is going to go big on both services and selling 1st party content.
No one can argue that Day 1 in GP doesn't affect 1st Party games potential sales peaks. They don't reach the highest of high sales because ppl will just download them instead in GP.
GP is making great revenue but the sales figures of their games have been affected. Halo Infinite may be the least sold Halo ever we really don't know tho.
Sony and Nintendo have very similar strategies. Sell their games as normal and feed content into their services to get profit from both games and service at their full potential
You got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:Gears 5 bombed hard sales wise because of gamepass. they were even offering 3 months GP for 1$ with the game launching.
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.Phil Spencer: Gears 5 sold well for us. It sold better than Gears 4. And we feel good about it. If people want to make the choice of buying Gears, that's an option we want to give them. I'm not trying to funnel everybody who wants to play Gears into the subscription. It's about giving gamers choice.
Source: Trust me broYou got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:
Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation - Xbox Wire
Thanks to the incredible support from our fans, Gears 5 kicked off the Holiday season strong – attracting over three million players in its opening weekend and setting new records for Xbox Game Pass with the biggest launch week of any Xbox Game Studios title this generation. The performance...news.xbox.com
And this:
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.
Okay but then that whole discussion is pointless.
"Give me a list of good games.
"Here is a list of games"
"No I personally think those are not good games".
Thats just going nowhere. Objectively, these games have received good scores from critics and are fairly popular games.
Do you remember in the late 90s (if you were around) how AOL coined the phrase “you’ve got mail!” You can probably hear it in your head as you read that.
Now do you remember a show called Crank Yankers that had a less than intelligent character who would incessantly say “I’ve got mail, I’ve got mail, yaaaaaaay. I’ve got mail, I’ve got mail, yaaaaaaay”?
“Day one games, day one games, yaaaaaaay!”
Yeah, that’s how it comes across.
All your point proves is people are willing to pay £40 a year. Not £100.
Head of Xbox saying the game sold well... The charts at the time showed it bombed hard.You got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:
Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation - Xbox Wire
Thanks to the incredible support from our fans, Gears 5 kicked off the Holiday season strong – attracting over three million players in its opening weekend and setting new records for Xbox Game Pass with the biggest launch week of any Xbox Game Studios title this generation. The performance...news.xbox.com
And this:
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.
Show me a source, some numbers, anything. Like I did but showing your point instead. I think the one which flopped was Gears 4, but 5 performed better and the MP was active for years.Head of Xbox saying the game sold well... The charts at the time showed it bombed hard.
Show me a source, some numbers, anything. Like I did but showing your point instead. I think the one which flopped was Gears 4, but 5 performed better and the MP was active for years.
Show me a source, some numbers, anything. Like I did but showing your point instead. I think the one which flopped was Gears 4, but 5 performed better and the MP was active for years.
Disappointing sales, but creative MSFT PR I would say.So, no, it's safe to say Gears 5 did not bomb. But if someone wishes really really hard, they can continue to believe that it did.
Disappointing sales, but creative MSFT PR I would say.
This guy unironically posting UK boxed charts...I remember reading more articles like this at the time, this was 1st result in my google search now.Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
The subscription future is nowwww.pcgamesn.com
1st result in my GAF search:
It's the most important metric..This guy unironically posting UK boxed charts...
Stacked Game Pass and still got another 18 months left but after that I’m going to go subless as well (Switch aside maybe because £12 a year is insignificant and I play Smash, MK and Splatoon online).I'm getting tired with all those subs bullshits, the only reason i still sub PS+ is to play fighting games online (and Red Dead Online, but since sometimes Rockstar abandoned this game),and still no idea how BC is gonna work? can i just buy and download the classic game i want without being forced into their sub service thing? Or what?
Maybe it's time to switch to PC.
Interesting, I guess it’s true that it decreased in physical sales. I still think it performed better in lifetime sales compared to Gears 4 which was the low point of the series.I remember reading more articles like this at the time, this was 1st result in my google search now.Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
The subscription future is nowwww.pcgamesn.com
1st result in my GAF search:
They are already pulling a profit with that small psnow numbers. That's why I said two of them are profitable and one is sustainable.Aside of the day1 games, both service would have the same price, unless Sony only does old games, which is cheap.
Then you have ps+ in this list having more games. That is alot of money keeping that service up.
That's 20+ years already, plus what was spent on Activision...They have been doing that with Xbox console since 2001
they said they have never made a profit with Xbox console sales ever lol
so they have shown that they can do it
any other company would have gone bankrupt by now like Sega for an example
Microsoft says it has never made a profit from the sale of an Xbox console | VGC
Company claims it always sells devices at a loss as part of Epic vs Apple trial…www.videogameschronicle.com
And that's where you're wrong. More profits, more investments on new games, like Sony and Nintendo have been doing for a while.Well .. they're a multi trillion dollar company and their CEO has pledged full support for the gaming/entertainment division.
So I'm guessing they can keep feeding it for quite a while.
Not that we as gamers should care about what either company's revenue is when objectively comparing two subscription service and their output of games.
And that's where you're wrong. More profits, more investments on new games, like Sony and Nintendo have been doing for a while.
On the xbox side prior to Forza 5 and Halo Infinity it has been a very dry release schedule while Sony and Nintendo were pumping out AAA games throughout the same timeframe.
I refuse to believe people are dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote.They are already pulling a profit with that small psnow numbers. That's why I said two of them are profitable and one is sustainable.
That's 20+ years already, plus what was spent on Activision...
And that's where you're wrong. More profits, more investments on new games, like Sony and Nintendo have been doing for a while.
On the xbox side prior to Forza 5 and Halo Infinity it has been a very dry release schedule while Sony and Nintendo were pumping out AAA games throughout the same timeframe.
Lori Wright, who is a third-party witness in the case, was asked by Epic lawyer Wes Earnhardt “how much margin does Microsoft earn on the sale on the Xbox consoles?”
“We don’t. We sell the consoles at a loss,” she responded, according to Protocol.
Asked if Microsoft has ever earned a profit on the sale of an Xbox device, she said “no.”
By the way the same article estimates MS made more than 1bn USD profit in 2019. Since then their revenue has increased by 30%.“Hardware being unprofitable certainly played a bigger role in the late 90’s and early 2000’s (oh and PS3 era lol),” Niko Partners senior analyst Daniel Ahmad tweeted in response to Wright’s testimony.
“Both the PS5 and Series X/S are being sold at a loss right now, but will become profitable down the line most likely.
I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one hereYou don't know what smarter is, you were questioning validity of elemental math.
Well, it sold better than Gears 4 despite being available on Game Pass day 1 on both PC and Xbox.
I wouldn't call that disappointing in any shape or form. But I guess everyone is entitled to feel differently about it.
Interesting, I guess it’s true that it decreased in physical sales. I still think it performed better in lifetime sales compared to Gears 4 which was the low point of the series.
Grammar mistakes are acceptable, fundamental math mistakes aren’t.I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one here
You did the same shit! LOLGrammar mistakes are acceptable, fundamental math mistakes aren’t.
What is worth it then? A bunch of old games, which you charge $18 for?Anyways that list isn't worth 10-15 a month IMO
No need to get triggered. Math is universal, english isn't.You did the same shit! LOL
And you're not one to say what is and is not acceptable. No one gave you that right.
I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one here
You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.I refuse to believe people are dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote.
The article you quote is about hardware, not revenue of the division. Let me paste the relevant parts for you:
By the way the same article estimates MS made more than 1bn USD profit in 2019. Since then their revenue has increased by 30%.
That would put MS profit between 1.6B and 2.3B. And it’s a court document with legal value. Just stop with the profit thing, it’s been done to death.
Wtf is this logic?The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
Telling someone not to get triggered. That's your whole thing. LOL. Every thread I see you in a thread you get triggered. It might be time for you to take a break. I think you probably worship your little plastic box a bit too much. If someone says something you don't agree with there is no need to go off the rails. You seem to always take criticism of your favorite company as a personal affront. Every time.No need to get triggered. Math is universal, english isn't.
Now connect the dots.
You think the 1.6-2.3BN number from the court case is the total profit of Microsoft? For a whole year? You think MS as a whole makes less profit than Nintendo?You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.
Microsoft as a whole, not the gaming division. MS has windows, office, Azure and a shitton of other products too.
The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
"Not the Only Focus"- Phil Spencer Seemingly Admits Game Pass Is Not Profitable But Neither Is Xbox Console - EssentiallySports
Is the Xbox Game Pass profitable and sustainable? What about the Xbox Consoles? Let's find out what the answers to these questions are.www.essentiallysports.com
Better understand the basics before calling people "dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote."
You don't like negative things being said about your plastic box either, huh? "How dare someone say something contrary to what I think!"Lognor s last way to save face, attack grammar.
This coming from the guy who didn't know the meaning of sought-after.
You think Microsoft makes 1.6-2.3bn in profit in a year? The whole company? What division?You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.
Microsoft as a whole, not the gaming division. MS has windows, office, Azure and a shitton of other products too.
The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
"Not the Only Focus"- Phil Spencer Seemingly Admits Game Pass Is Not Profitable But Neither Is Xbox Console - EssentiallySports
Is the Xbox Game Pass profitable and sustainable? What about the Xbox Consoles? Let's find out what the answers to these questions are.www.essentiallysports.com
Better understand the basics before calling people "dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote."
The moment he said xbox isn't profitable, is the moment he lost his credibility.You think the 1.6-2.3BN number from the court case is the total profit of Microsoft? For a whole year? You think MS as a whole makes less profit than Nintendo?
Just trying to assess the brain damage here.
You’re writing a lot to save face. That is pretty telling. You should take your own advice.Telling someone not to get triggered. That's your whole thing. LOL. Every thread I see you in a thread you get triggered. It might be time for you to take a break. I think you probably worship your little plastic box a bit too much. If someone says something you don't agree with there is no need to go off the rails. You seem to always take criticism of your favorite company as a personal affront. Every time.
The moment he said xbox isn't profitable, is the moment he lost his credibility.
I dont know how dumb do you have to be to reach that conclusion.