the question was if he can make a PC under 1K same or better as a top next gen console, I said no for 500, 500 is under 1000, any more questions? are you here to give your opinion on the topic or respond to me with your PC MASTER RACE keyboard Jedi spam force stuff?Cool, but OP already knows that and this fact doesn't help him/her. Are you thing to help OP or just are here just to make pc/console war?
500 is under 1000 so OP got his answer, you seem lost, I don't know what you think you're doing here, but like I said before, nothing you say will change the fact of PCs not being able to match a console for $500, which seems to bother you a lot
Neo member and already with "dirty peasant complex". Not surprising...the question was if he can make a PC under 1K same or better as a top next gen console, I said no for 500, 500 is under 1000, any more questions? are you here to give your opinion on the topic or respond to me with your PC MASTER RACE keyboard Jedi spam force stuff?
and the troll revealed himself, reported and ignoredNeo member and already with "dirty peasant complex". Not surprising...
You can get a 6600xt for around $300 that had PS5 performance. IIRC a 3060 smokes a ps5.Rumored Navi31 (top RDNA3 GPU) will have 6x more compute shaders than full ps5 chip. So we can assume that small RDNA3 gpus at sub 300$ will be faster than PS5.
So the answer is, if you want cheap GPU which can beat consoles you will need to wait till end of 2022.
He might be out of touch assuming console's are still stuck at 30fps. Series X and PS5 have been pretty much 60fps for all games thanks to the Zen 2 CPU that replaced the Jaguar cores that were basically the bottleneck. But even when we do get to the point where games are so advanced that a 30fps target is the only choice for consoles, it goes without saying that a competitively priced rig that can overcome this limitation is currently impossible. Eventually it will be possible over time, but then again, you have a potential Series X refresh console that will once again overcome the value proposition .
The solution is simple really, you get a Series X, unless money is of no issue and you spend thousands on a new rig that matches or exceeds Series X (OP doesn't want this) or you buy a Series X for $500 now and enjoy next gen 60fps goodness, it's the best value the sooner you get it, the only reason not to is if you're trying to avoid Xbox at all costs for warrior reasons.
For purely gaming the console is better bang for your buck. (and that gamepass console is more complete than gamepass pc, if you plan on doing gp)
My guess is it will take 2-3 years to be able to build something similar for a budget price. (sub 1k)
To be fair you can survive just with the steam deck for a while OP, buy the dock, hook it up to a monitor and use it as a normal PC, maybe install windows on it. undock it and take it portable, will be way cheaper and be instantly available for you.
Feel your pain. Lost my interest in consoles and was waiting for the 30XX to come out. At this rate, I'll buy a prebuild next year...I think someone said chip shortages could go on until at least 2023.
Fucking sucks. First gen I had finally made up my mind about going with PC and the proces suddenly got ridiculous
Steam Deck may be only good for 800p. 1080p+ will be a IQ mess. If you are ok with that, go for it.I've joined a pc parts telegram and could have easily got a 3080 for £670 or a 3060Ti for £370.
However I'm now having second thoughts about a gaming PC. I may stick to PS5 and Steam Deck combo. I've read a the electricity cost of a Gaming PC is huge, in comparison to say something like a PS5 the GPU alone takes more energy than an entire PS5 so imagine the rest of it, the fans, the CPU etc. The UK just announced energy prices being raised from October just after another price hike for energy costs under a year ago. I think things like energy consumption costs is something PC gamers never look at.
Steam Deck may be only good for 800p. 1080p+ will be a IQ mess. If you are ok with that, go for it.
6600XT has MSRP at 379$ and real price at +600$ right now, RTX 3060 smokes PS5 in Ray Tracing only.You can get a 6600xt for around $300 that had PS5 performance. IIRC a 3060 smokes a ps5.
There u go ethereum price graph https://www.coindesk.com/price/ethereum , it directly corresponds to the price/mark up of basically all gpu's- only exception is gt 1030- that one is only bit above msrp coz cant be mined on, few other exceptions that have really bad mining capabilities are 3gb and 6gb 1060, and those older amd cards with crazy power requirements vs what their hashrate is, the ones that launched before polaris cards(so before rx 480/470).The problem is the prices, it's expensive, I wouldn't want to spend more than £1k (doesn't include monitor, mouse and keyboad as I already have those). But I've been reading because of mining and Corona prices are higher and will be high even upto 2023. I don't even mind waiting for prices to drop down to around by fall 2022 (when Starfield releases) but I just have a feeling prices will never go down even after years of waiting.
I don't feel the need for a Series X simply because I already own a PS5. And Gamepass is also something that doesn't appeal for me as I don't play that many games a year. The reason why I want a PC over a Series X is because there are other things I want to do on a PC. First of all the backwards compatibility is way better games from way back can be improved, I can play something like say Dishonored in 4K/120fps. Sonic Generations in 4K/60fps. I can't play Sonic Generations in 4K on a Series X. Finally I can try out cool mods. I can emulate recent systems like Switch and PS3. You have Steam Sales, not just from Steam but 3rd parties like Humble Bundle. Finally I like that there is no online fee, I'm already paying for PSN, I'd hate to pay for 2 online subs at the same time. I am also getting Steam Deck and if Valve can get it right where there are cloud saves and I can play on the PC and carry on where I left off on a Deck that's also appealing for me.
There just is no reason for me to have a PS5 and Series X, that combination just would be a waste for me.
As for affordable I said a budget of £1000, I can even go upto to £1200. I personally feel I can easily match a Series X with that budget by end of 2022 early 2023 if mining and covid calms down by then. I didn't say I want a gaming PC to be the same price as a Series X as I know PCs are more expensive.
This is the wayI'd like to be a PS5/PC gamer.
So my assumptions were correct, your goal is to avoid Xbox at all costs even though it makes perfect sense, but in order to avoid it and still get the benefits, you have to buy a gaming PC, which right now based on your budget, is akin to shooting yourself in the foot, so you want to know for how long you have to wait until the bullets start to miss... Got it!
You CAN play BC games like Dishonored at 4K/60fps on Series X, in fact the BC library goes back to Xbox originals like Panzer Dragoon Orta and Ninja Gaiden Black at 4K/60 and HDR. GamePass also has a ton of those classic games included in the service, but wait, you contradict yourself because the benefits you just listed are useless since you claim you don't have time to play, how ironic. You also want emulation which Series X and even S are emulation beasts with RetroArch. I have Atari 2600, 7800, Colecovision, NES, Master System, SNES, Genesis, PSX, N64, Dreamcast, PSP, PS2, MAME Arcade, etc., and it all runs awesome!
By the time things settle down and PC hardware becomes affordable, Series X will have also dropped in price, so now you have something that costs $399 which is still impossible to replicate, especially at its form factor, and then you have the refresh console (Series X2) to consider if you're looking at 2022 or 23, it just doesn't make any sense, it seems pretty clear that you're just reaching for excuses and ignoring all logic to avoid Xbox, and that's ok, just don't try to hide it behind some logic as to why it makes sense to avoid it when it doesn't if your goal is to play games that are not available on PS5, and also play these games with good performance, but at a price that doesn't break the bank. Xbox Series X is basically a HTPC with different branding, just close your eyes and imagine it with a DELL logo so you don't have to feel like you betrayed Sony.
3060 is 12.73 tflops. Slightly more powerful than series x.6600XT has MSRP at 379$ and real price at +600$ right now, RTX 3060 smokes PS5 in Ray Tracing only.
If I were you, I would buy a series X for now, and then sell it once you are ready to move to pc. Then you aren't missing out, it's not going to depreciate much.
Then why even build a cheap gaming now or make this thread?But there is currently nothing I'm missing out on. Im not a fan of Halo, Gears and Forza franchises. What I'm interested is in WRPGs that are upcoming such as Fable, Avowed, Starfield. But these games are years out. I'm currently catching up with my PS4/PS5 backlog, so far playing patched PS4 games or remastered, God of War, Spiderman Remastered, Ratchet remake. I have Fallen Order or Control I will play next as I just completed Spiderman few days ago.
Then why even build a cheap gaming now or make this thread?
I think someone said chip shortages could go on until at least 2023.
Fucking sucks. First gen I had finally made up my mind about going with PC and the proces suddenly got ridiculous
Same. I was planning on building a rig, but the costs are just insane. I can't justify paying these insane prices.
I want to get a future proof PC, so was looking at the price of a 3090 graphics card........ absolute joke.
£2000 for just a graphics card. £2000!!
Plus the added cost of a decent CPU, motherboard, water-cooling system, power supply, monitor, k&m and I was looking at over £4K.