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[marc^o^]

your perspective is hard to take seriously here man. You would let Nintendo Wii on your face and in your mouth any day, so I can't really get objective with you.

Oh, I always thought you couldn't get objective because you were... Amir0x.

 

[jacomar]

I honestly believe that some posters are overestimating how normal folks will react to the wiimote. If I was Nintendo I would be more worried about consumers turning away from the device because they feel like they'll become to tired or it becomes boring after awhile (which depends on the software).

Most people will not play Wii in bursts of 5 hours. Most people have other obligations to attend, besides, people could also say: great i get to do exercise while i play. You can look it both sides. Also we are not talking about triathlon here, just very light aerobic exercise.

It's a bad thing from my perspective because when people do it, they look like the world's most ridiculous fucking losers. I think that is bad because by extension, especially in America where there is a very real 'image' issue, people don't like to put themselves up on a stage and be embarrassing. That's not particularly APPEALING

If a hot big breasted blonde is playing it no one will see the the world's most ridiculous fucking loser.

I am just extracting from the people I've seen playing it. Not a single one didn't look utterly embarrassing.

You are extrapolating your own insecurities.

 

[Monk]

Isn't there still a casual consensus that PS2 has better graphics than Xbox?

HAHAHAHHAHHA. So true. Casuals are pretty much blind, they respond to realism versus non realism more than technical feats.

 

[Galactic Fork]

I am just extracting from the people I've seen playing it. Not a single one didn't look utterly embarrassing.

I respect what you're saying, but you say that, then you forget the simple fact that maybe the people look embarrassing, but they almost all say they're having fun. And the truth is: People having fun attracts attention. And people will want to try. If that will translate to sales, I can't say for sure. Personally, I think it has a good chance.

 

[Amir0x]

That's a flawed assumption. If the Wii gets a lead of any sort, especially a convincing lead, ala a milder version DS situation over there, 3rd parties are going to look to Wii to make their games and that will create a snowball effect of its own.

I'm only talking about PS3 vs. 360. In Japan, nobody is gonna go 'oh yeah, Wii60 ftw' when Wii has the ridiculous games they want to play, and PS3 has Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Gran Turismo 5, etc exclusive. It IS about the games, and although the price sucks for PS3 that's gonna be the decider in the end.

In Japan, it's gonna be "PSWii" ftw.

The big announced franchises may go to PS3 because the cost has already been sunk, but Japanese gamers don't just play those games and there are plenty more that may either never arrive on the PS3 or simply go to the Wii. Dragon Quest IX's home is still very much undecided at this point.

Isn't it where the FF numbered goes, so does the numbered DQ? It has never been different, and I'm pretty sure the president of SquareEnix said as much.

HOWEVER, as we learned at E3 there's no such thing as historical perspective so I certainly agree with you. Dragon Quest IX, Kingdom Hearts III, etc... all could very easily go to Wii.

Oh, I always thought you couldn't get objective because you were... Amir0x.

Most ironic implication on GAF of all time.

If a hot big breasted blonde is playing it no one will see the the world's most ridiculous fucking loser.

Wii kiosks come with big breasted blondes? Holy shit, that is BRILLIANT. Bravo, Nintendo.

 

[drohne]

hey look -- it's a bunch of people on a videogame messageboard arguing about what the cool kids do and don't like

soundwave 05 was on his highschool basketball team

 

[AniHawk]

Kingdom Hearts III is so very easily PS3. Nomura is a graphics whore.

DQIX... that would be neat to see on a console sometime before 2013.

EDIT: It seems that I'm about as quick as drohne is on the draw.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

if its not a slam dunk at least its a step in the right direction. the industry really does need something like this, regardless of what the gaming community thinks

 

[Amir0x]

if its not a slam dunk at least its a step in the right direction. the industry really does need something like this, regardless of what the gaming community thinks

i agree. It's nice to have variety. I certainly am getting Wii on day one, I'm only debating the very interesting implications that marketing the Wii via kiosks is gonna have.

 

[jacomar]

Wii kiosks come with big breasted blondes? Holy shit, that is BRILLIANT. Bravo, Nintendo.

You know what i meant to say, you did not know what to answer.

I am just extracting from the people I've seen playing it. Not a single one didn't look utterly embarrassing.

You seem to extrapolate your own insecurities. Dont worry you will grow up

I'm only debating the very interesting implications that marketing the Wii via kiosks is gonna have.

But your are debating based on your own insecurities and probably with not much knowledge of marketing.

 

[cvxfreak]

If the Wii gets a lead of any sort, especially a convincing lead, ala a milder version DS situation over there, 3rd parties are going to look to Wii to make their games and that will create a snowball effect of its own.

I think its too early to draw direct comparisons between the DS success and what could happen. I think people expecting it to be a slum dunk for Wii might be disappointed. What the DS has proven is that Japan is ready for change. After several years of decline the industry finally registered some growth due to the DS. What's important at this point is that the Wii has all the right sort of games coming for it that made the DS a success to begin with and that's the closest we can get to saying it might replicate a DS success.

I think Japan's days of a one sided market are over. It's been like that for the last eight years, after the days of the Saturn's good performance and the twilight days of the SFC. The Dreamcast and GameCube failed to really do anything to Sony, but that's definitely going to change with the Wii. On the plus side, given the 360's drop in performance compared to the original Xbox, and the lack of a Sega console, it's pretty much a two-way race between Sony and Nintendo now.

Even if the Wii still ends up losing to the PS3 in Japan (though with a price tag like that, I don't see how, even if Final Fantasy is onboard), it probably won't be a defeat as bad as the PSP is facing at the hands of the unprecedented DS. The software looks to sell quite well and Japanese gamers with a PS3 will have more reason to get a Wii than Japanese DS gamers have to get a PSP.

Besides software I think backwards compatibility with the GC and N64/MD/PCE software downloads will be popular with Japanese gamers because most of them missed out on games for those systems. With the lower price and the perceived higher value thanks to being able to play systems they haven't played before, I think Nintendo would do good to emphasize this feature.

 

[Deku]

i agree. It's nice to have variety. I certainly am getting Wii on day one, I'm only debating the very interesting implications that marketing the Wii via kiosks is gonna have.

Let the marketing guys worry about it. I personally dont see a big issue here. There will be some incidents of hilarity to be sure, but in general the controller is intuitive enough to be self explanatory and Nintendo will at the very least get a chance at having the consumer try it and understand what it is. Whether they buy or don't buy is another story.

The worst problem is having someone walk up, attempt something and not know what they heck they are trying to do, which ironically is the problem of most current gamepad based game demonstrations with control schemes built on established conventions a non initiate have no clue about.

 

[Amir0x]

You know what i meant to say, you did not know what to answer.

You seem to extrapolate your own insecurities. Dont worry you will grow up

But your are debating based on your own insecurities and probably with not much knowledge of marketing.

This post can be summed up in 'you don't know what you're talking about! I took a marketing class in college!'

It's just as effective, really.

 

[Jonnyram]

I just meant 'Japanese perspective' in that it's a viewpoint someone living in Japan/is Japanese would be more likely to agree with because of how DS is doing, and how the public there reacts to such silly products.

Are you classifying the DS as a "silly product" also with this statement?

You gotta admit, from a cultural standpoint making a public ass out of yourself seems far less stigmatized in Japan compared to America/Europe.

I just don't know any more. Some of the stuff you see on American TV is just retarded (Americal Idol and that kind of thing). Also most of the "public retarded shit" I see in Japan is obviously staged. I don't think there's really a huge difference.

But that's just my viewpoint, and looking at the still thriving arcades there, and looking at the type of games that sell.

The main reason arcades thrive here is because of the high population density and excessive consumer spending. It's not got much to do with making an ass out of yourself.

I guess you're right - I have no idea how the general American thinks about this. I'm British and I've lived my life in Britain and Japan. I know EyeToy is massive in the UK, and so is karaoke. If it's not as big in the US, I guess that reflects on the type of social stigmas you are talking about. I didn't realize people were that hung up about themselves.

 

[cvxfreak]

Isn't it where the FF numbered goes, so does the numbered DQ? It has never been different, and I'm pretty sure the president of SquareEnix said as much.

Seems like it, but not exactly. DQ always goes to the highest selling system in Japan, and that's usually where Final Fantasy happens to go as well.

For the previous generation (32/64-bit) Final Fantasy VII was responsible for the PlayStation becoming the best selling platform in Japan, and therefore that's where DQVII headed as a result. It was actually planned for the Saturn (or N64) beforehand.

If the Wii pulls ahead in Japan despite Final Fantasy, Square Enix will either have to change its policy or go where Japan has gone. Something tells me that with the presence of a DQ sidestory at launch, SE isn't afraid to put the series on that system either.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

people keep comparing Wii to DS to make some sort of prediction regarding wiis success.


The real question is, is handheld really comparable to a console?

 

[Amir0x]

Are you classifying the DS as a "silly product" also with this statement?

Not necessarily the DS itself, but what some of the games make you do. It looks silly in public, certainly. Yelling "Blue" into your DS or wildly petting the screen tends to look silly.

I just don't know any more. Some of the stuff you see on American TV is just retarded (Americal Idol and that kind of thing). Also most of the "public retarded shit" I see in Japan is obviously staged. I don't think there's really a huge difference.

Hehe, it's funny you bring up American Idol. It is wildly popular still for some reason, but it's interesting to note that one of the most popular parts of the show is when people embarrass themselves and everyone gets to laugh at Simon tearing them apart. The trainwreck theory again.

But yeah, certainly America has its share of retarded things. It's when you gotta do it yourself in public that it becomes a barrier.

The main reason arcades thrive here is because of the high population density and excessive consumer spending. It's not got much to do with making an ass out of yourself.

I guess you're right - I have no idea how the general American thinks about this. I'm British and I've lived my life in Britain and Japan. I know EyeToy is massive in the UK, and so is karaoke. If it's not as big in the US, I guess that reflects on the type of social stigmas you are talking about. I didn't realize people were that hung up about themselves.

We don't have Singstar here. But I definitely doubt it'd make that sort of impact.

Seems like it, but not exactly. DQ always goes to the highest selling system in Japan, and that's usually where Final Fantasy happens to go as well.

For the previous generation (32/64-bit) Final Fantasy VII was responsible for the PlayStation becoming the best selling platform in Japan, and therefore that's where DQVII headed as a result. It was actually planned for the Saturn (or N64) beforehand.

Yeah but I think the president of SquareEnix actually said this at some point, or something similar. I could swear I read this comment. Anyway, like I said historical precedent is out the window... Final Fantasy usually goes to the highest selling platform, but it's already exclusive to FFXIII which has sold zero. And Dragon Quest [numbered] has never really be on a console that wasn't coupled with Final Fantasy [numbered], so it should be interesting.

Everything is up in the air now with all these weird decisions each company keeps making.

 

[davepoobond]

people keep comparing Wii to DS to make some sort of prediction regarding wiis success.


The real question is, is handheld really comparable to a console?

i brought this up in another thread and pretty much got a lot of resistance to the idea of handheld really taking any affect on the console market (meaning that it DOES make a difference)

imo, no it isn't. It might make a marginal affect because of handheld/console interoperability, but gameboys huge success did nothing for the gamecube despite its poor execution of interoperability.

 

[SapientWolf]

Arcades are practically dead in America. And I don't think it's completely wrong to say at least a small part of the reason is because of the type of public displays you gotta do in certain games. A lot of it looks geeky, or least is associated with such things, and that stigma is hard to shake. Who wants to be seen like that?

Arcades are dead because every game except DDR is designed to beat you up and take your money.

Nintendo was right about one thing though. Improved graphics alone aren't going to be enough to push these next-gen systems on the mainstream.

 

[cvxfreak]

Yeah but I think the president of SquareEnix actually said this at some point, or something similar. I could swear I read this comment. Anyway, like I said historical precedent is out the window... Final Fantasy usually goes to the highest selling platform, but it's already exclusive to FFXIII which has sold zero. And Dragon Quest [numbered] has never really be on a console that wasn't coupled with Final Fantasy [numbered], so it should be interesting.

Everything is up in the air now with all these weird decisions each company keeps making.

I believe you're thinking of the same quote as me. Enix didn't want to compete with Square on a different platform, and thus moved DQVII to the PSone. Not like it mattered given the graphics: it could have gone to Saturn or PSone without much trouble.

Enix has never stated that they must bring DQ to the same system as FF. In actually, FF goes where it wants to go. The Saturn was the most popular system out of the gate in Japan, but FFVII was moved to the PSone and that changed things. Had FFVII been decided for the Saturn things would have been very different. However that was back when Final Fantasy was at its peak; given that Animal Crossing and Brain Training have owned FFXII combined with the FF series' downward spiral there, FFXIII's ability to decide the winner is subdued.

 

[marc^o^]

Talking about Wii kiosks, how could anyone "objective" say it's gonna be a hard sell after what happened at E3? Did you miss the massive crowds, the mainstream press positive feedback, the quotes from Peter Moore and Harrison, etc. ?

 

[Oblivion]

Seems like it, but not exactly. DQ always goes to the highest selling system in Japan, and that's usually where Final Fantasy happens to go as well.

For the previous generation (32/64-bit) Final Fantasy VII was responsible for the PlayStation becoming the best selling platform in Japan, and therefore that's where DQVII headed as a result. It was actually planned for the Saturn (or N64) beforehand.

If the Wii pulls ahead in Japan despite Final Fantasy, Square Enix will either have to change its policy or go where Japan has gone. Something tells me that with the presence of a DQ sidestory at launch, SE isn't afraid to put the series on that system either.

There's also the possiblity that if the PS3 doesn't get the userbase they want, they could cancel FFXIII for PS3 and port it to the Wii. It would probably suck for the graphical downgrade, but I'm sure Enix wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Note: this is also assuming the Wii turns out to be an amazing success in addition to PS3 failing.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I think it will take first in Japan for the first three years and, afterward, it's all up in the air.
In North America, it could become the second place console for the entire generation. In Europe, it'll probably fight for third, swapping in and out of second the whole time.

 

[jacomar]

This post can be summed up in 'you don't know what you're talking about! I took a marketing class in college!'

It's just as effective, really.

I dont know how is it said in English but actually im in my last year of bussiness major with minor in financials. I just did not want to shove it in your ass, but since you mentioned it i took several marketing classes.

Also, when you summed up my post you forgot to mention that you are extrapolating your own insecurities. Dont worry , years will come.

imo, no it isn't. It might make a marginal affect because of handheld/console interoperability, but gameboys huge success did nothing for the gamecube despite its poor execution of interoperability

It didnt help because they followed different stategies. DS and Wii follow the same strategy, based on expanding the market bla blah blah.... Since that strategy worked once Wii has a better outlook, but we will have to wait and see

Talking about Wii kiosks, how could anyone "objective" say it's gonna be a hard sell after what happened at E3? Did you miss the massive crowds, the mainstream press positive feedback, the quotes from Peter Moore and Harrison, etc. ?

The only objetive person that could say that is Amirox

 

[Deku]

The DQ fanbase is like the Star Wars fanbase in North America, its huge, its loyal and it will buy anything with DQ on it. The DQ fanbase =! FF fanbase.

The reason it is released on the best selling system is based on tradition and it made sense in the past when there were lopsided dominance of one console or another. But if there is any sort of a close horse race or a deadlock, it may break with tradition.

Keep in mind that Wii is already getting a Dragon Quest game. It's a spinoff yes, but it will get the DQ crowd looking at the Wii immediately. Just take a look at the Famitsu poll posted on another thread, the game has already registered with the hard core.

 

[Galactic Fork]

Talking about Wii kiosks, how could anyone "objective" say it's gonna be a hard sell after what happened at E3? Did you miss the massive crowds, the mainstream press positive feedback, the quotes from Peter Moore and Harrison, etc. ?

The point they're making is that well... That was E3, gamer's paradise. We know lots of gamers will like it, but will the kiosks turn off casuals? That's the question.

 

[Terrell]

Not meaning to bring up an old quote, but...

oh yeah, that's how it works alright :lol

America and Europe are FILLED with people who like to wildly swing in the air or do hoola hoop motions in public!

I think you're forgetting one simple thing about the average American...

They have no shame.

Seriously, people who think they're cool honestly have NO scruples about what they do, in public or otherwise. If you really pay attention in public, you see teenagers and 20-something adults making buffoons, nutjobs and defaming specticles of themselves all the time. Some are even willing to tape their absurd behavior for broadcast television!! How else do you think America's Funniest Videos or SpikeTV's Maximum Exposure keep getting renewed?

So looking at the worse crimes that people do to their public image intentionally... I seriously doubt that Wii is going to put that into question any worse.

 

[marc^o^]

Wii was made for casual gamers. Does anyone seriously doubt kiosks will not do the job towards this target?

 

[Shmmeee]

Not necessarily the DS itself, but what some of the games make you do. It looks silly in public, certainly. Yelling "Blue" into your DS or wildly petting the screen tends to look silly.

Hehe, it's funny you bring up American Idol. It is wildly popular still for some reason, but it's interesting to note that one of the most popular parts of the show is when people embarrass themselves and everyone gets to laugh at Simon tearing them apart. The trainwreck theory again.

But yeah, certainly America has its share of retarded things. It's when you gotta do it yourself in public that it becomes a barrier.

We don't have Singstar here. But I definitely doubt it'd make that sort of impact.

Wow, and Americans say Brits are uptight. What a sad nation. Well in the rest of the world people enjoy having fun and don't really have the insecurities that stop them doing so. Because of that I predict massive sales in Europe/Asia with it doing OK in the US.

If Nintendo position and market the Wii right (which I think they will) it could very easily be the next big thing, like iPod big. If people see it as yet another games machine, then it'll probably do slightly better than GC. The focus for Nintendo has to be getting this thing into every non-game shop they can, the more people see it in action, the more non-gamers will want to buy it. But the number one thing is not being in competition with PS3/360, not having it seen as a console but as a brand new form of entertainment. I can see Wii Sports being the killer app for this, but they also need kareoke games, quiz games, party games (maybe WarioWare will do) and all the other stuff Americans hate

EDIT:

We know lots of gamers will like it, but will the kiosks turn off casuals? That's the question.

Would GAF make up it's mind? Either it's a non-game machine for casuals only, or it's a machine only gamers will like. :lol Which is it? I think the fact that I see both points of view as much as each other goes to show Nintendo is doing the "inclusive" bit pretty well so far.

 

[Farmboy]

it's single-player, strangely enough. i can see the theoretical appeal of doing the stupid things wario ware asks with a group of friends, though this isn't quite my idea of a good time. but it's a little frightening to imagine a man playing wario ware wii for his own private satisfaction.

Kind of ironic since the original game worked great as a purely single-player riff on the 'party' genre, slyly testing your instincts as a gamer and evoking personal memories of games (and gamemechanics) past. Since the Wii-version is more about 'real-life' activities, it already loses that aspect. It's also not portable (Wario Ware's short burst gameplay was ideally suited for handhelds). So I think multiplayer is a must, but I can't imagine the developers don't realize that. Besides, how hard can it be to slap together a few half-decent multiplayer modes like they did with the Cube version? And that one, despite (or perhaps, perversely, because of?) its slappedtogetherness, remains one of my favourite partygames.

In reply to the original poster; comparing N64 to Cube success isn't quite so straightforward since the N64 didn't have to compete with Microsoft. It's hard to say how the Cube would have fared if there'd been no Xbox -- would N64-darling Rare have stayed and would their output have been better than it has been under MGS? -- but surely the launch (very near to the Cube's, too) had some impact.

Wii is a completely different animal. I suspect it'll do well. Maybe that's because, when I saw those goofy folks wagglin' away at E3, my association was not that they looked dorky (although they certainly did) but that they were having fun. If such a display can melt the cold, cold hearts of game journalists, then maybe it can win some mindshare among average consumers as well. Just to be on the safe side, though, Nintendo should work hard to restrict in-store demopod access to beautiful people, or at least people that look decidedly less dorky than the average E3-visitor...

 

[davepoobond]

There's also the possiblity that if the PS3 doesn't get the userbase they want, they could cancel FFXIII for PS3 and port it to the Wii. It would probably suck for the graphical downgrade, but I'm sure Enix wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Note: this is also assuming the Wii turns out to be an amazing success in addition to PS3 failing.

how would you suppose they port the White Engine they're making specifically for the PS3 and FFXIII onto the Wii? If they did that, the FFXIII that would be on the PS3 wouldn't be the same game. Like, at all.

 

[jacomar]

Not meaning to bring up an old quote, but...

I think you're forgetting one simple thing about the average American...

They have no shame.

Seriously, people who think they're cool honestly have NO scruples about what they do, in public or otherwise. If you really pay attention in public, you see teenagers and 20-something adults making buffoons, nutjobs and defaming specticles of themselves all the time. Some are even willing to tape their absurd behavior for broadcast television!! How else do you think America's Funniest Videos or SpikeTV's Maximum Exposure keep getting renewed?

So looking at the worse crimes that people do to their public image intentionally... I seriously doubt that Wii is going to put that into question any worse.

That is all around the world. Grown ups have no problems with their image so they basicly dont care. They follow standart rules (the use of clothes) and just have fun without worryng if they look good or cool to others.

how would you suppose they port the White Engine they're making specifically for the PS3 and FFXIII onto the Wii?

Dont worry, if they get more money on the wii they will do anything to do it

 

[Galactic Fork]

how would you suppose they port the White Engine they're making specifically for the PS3 and FFXIII onto the Wii? If they did that, the FFXIII that would be on the PS3 wouldn't be the same game. Like, at all.

Bah, just use different colors in FFXII, dont' change anything else, call it FFXIII nobody'll know the difference.

 

[davepoobond]

Bah, just use different colors in FFXII, dont' change anything else, call it FFXIII nobody'll know the difference.

except people would still complain anyway

 

[cvxfreak]

Bah, just use different colors in FFXII, dont' change anything else, call it FFXIII nobody'll know the difference.

Interestingly FFXIII began on the PS2 but was eventually moved. If by some bizarre twist FFXIII was moved to the Wii, then they'd have to go back to their PS2 assests and continue on from there.

 

[Xiph]

The first year will be crucial. If the Wii sells other video game developers should get interested, even those that aren't interested today.

And then we have the launch. As it looks right now, Wii has the strongest line-up ever seen. There's no way that Wii's launch can go bad.

 

[Oblivion]

how would you suppose they port the White Engine they're making specifically for the PS3 and FFXIII onto the Wii? If they did that, the FFXIII that would be on the PS3 wouldn't be the same game. Like, at all.

Does it really matter? If PS3 fails do you honestly think Square-enix would want to waste millions to develop big budget game that might give them sales far below their expectations?

 

[AniHawk]

There's no way that Wii's launch can go bad.

Ruh-roh.

 

[Galactic Fork]

except people would still complain anyway

They're gonna complain no matter what, so it's a win win situation.

 

[Galactic Fork]

The first year will be crucial. If the Wii sells other video game developers should get interested, even those that aren't interested today.

And then we have the launch. As it looks right now, Wii has the strongest line-up ever seen. There's no way that Wii's launch can go bad.

You saying that, kinda makes me want it to fail now, just so I can post this and laugh a bunch. Of course i'm a horrible bitter person.

 

[davepoobond]

Does it really matter? If PS3 fails do you honestly think Square-enix would want to waste millions to develop big budget game that might give them sales far below their expectations?

they're going to waste even more money by dumping the project altogether by the time that decision would have to be made

 

[PkunkFury]

Wii is a completely different animal. I suspect it'll do well. Maybe that's because, when I saw those goofy folks wagglin' away at E3, my association was not that they looked dorky (although they certainly did) but that they were having fun.

exactly. The people insisting you look like any idiot while playing a Wii game are grossly overestimating how "cool" they look when they play a normal video game. Nothing looks nerdier than a grown man zonked at his PC during his 6th straight hour of World of Warcraft. Watching people play normal video games is absolutely boring. It never looks like the person playing is enjoying themselves. Gamers look like they are constipated, spaced out, etc... The types of games that draw crowds are the arcade games that get the player involved. DDR, those mo-cap fighting games, the infra-red sword game, and on consoles, in-store demos like Eyetoy and Guitar Hero. Those are the ones that get people passing by interested. The only arcade game I've ever seen draw a crowd like the games that make the player move was Mortal Kombat, and the allure of watching video game characters disembowl one another disappeared years ago. The spectacle of people playing Wii will get attention, and that attention will become fun.

Wii is so new to people that it is bound to sell well out of the gates. If priced at 200 or below, it will be the "thing" this holiday season. Like Tickle Me Elmo and that awful singing fish, it will be a curiosity that gets tons of word of mouth. People aren't aware this technology exists. They will be so shocked to see their movements control on screen objects, that they won't care how well it's working in the game. We nitpick, we ask ourselves how this helps franchise A, are the motion funcitons just tacked on, etc... but for regular people, they'll never think that far.

The only reason I see kiosks hurting the Wii is if the kiosks are too hard to set-up and maintain. People will need to be informed of how the sensor bar works, people could move the sensor bar, break the gyros in the remote, the demos would need a lot of space, controllers might disappear... etc. Also, if the PS3 has a nice looking motion based demo right next store, that might cause problems, as people also won't stop to think about how the Wii controller is different, and what other games it makes possible.

 

[Oblivion]

they're going to waste even more money by dumping the project altogether by the time that decision would have to be made

Yeah....but if the Wii's userbase is big enough, they'll at least have a better shot of reaching their sales target.

 

[cvxfreak]

Does it really matter? If PS3 fails do you honestly think Square-enix would want to waste millions to develop big budget game that might give them sales far below their expectations?

This is why FFvs.XIII even exists.

Square Enix is selling less FF games than ever before (see FFXII) and costs are higher. Because sales aren't going to go up, SE needs things like FFvs.XIII to curb higher development costs.

Whether a graphical downgrade to the Wii is worth the savings in development cost and the increase in sales volume remains to be seen, though. DQ isn't subject to the same kind of "restriction" if that's even the right word.

 

[davepoobond]

Yeah....but if the Wii's userbase is big enough, they'll at least have a better shot of reaching their sales target.

while charging 10 dollars less per game?

 

[Oblivion]

while charging 10 dollars less per game?

I don't think we can find out until we decide how much each system sells.

 

[jacomar]

The only reason I see kiosks hurting the Wii is if the kiosks are too hard to set-up and maintain. People will need to be informed of how the sensor bar works, people could move the sensor bar, break the gyros in the remote, the demos would need a lot of space, controllers might disappear... etc. Also, if the PS3 has a nice looking motion based demo right next store, that might cause problems, as people also won't stop to think about how the Wii controller is different, and what other games it makes possible.

I think they probably use Wii sports. That solves the sensor problem and the problem with the PS3. If you see someone playing warhawk you cant hardly tell what he is doing. Thats why in the conference he exagerated so much. On the other hand if you see someone playing tennis, they really look like playing tennis

 

[[Nintex]]

The Wii will sell milions. Remember your reaction when you first pressed the D-pad and your mom yelled OMG Its moving!! Then OOT came along and people said : WOW this has to be the most realistic game ever. Youve got to see this , this is so real...

Now people will pick up the controller and are not playing a game , no they are actually playing tennis, shooting with guns, flying an airplane. Everyone I know wants to buy one or is interested. The only thing Nintendo needs to do is market this shit right now. Put up screens from the trailers in every gaming/electronics store and show people games like Tennis and Music.

 

[cvxfreak]

while charging 10 dollars less per game?

Square Enix takes the liberty of charging more for their FF and DQ games in Japan, so it doesn't matter either way.

Deku probably knows more about the matter than I do, but I wouldn't be surprised if FFXIII broke the 10,000 Yen barrier to cover costs. I believe FFVI was priced above that level (obviously worth more back then, but still).

 

[Azazela]

What if Wii dominates the Japanese market with "games' like Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, Pokemon, and Brain Training

I would be scared for my beloved Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Ninja Gaiden.