Escape Goat
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Only if someone leaks his fight moves to her before hand.
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Howard Dean: Dems need organization, 50-state strategy, I'm in for chairman again
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Only if someone leaks his fight moves to her before hand.
The scream did not tank his campaign.
smokeandmirrors
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Democrats are fucking frightened little babies. Always afraid of toeing the line and always starting at the middle of what they want and conceding more from there instead of shooting for the stars and meeting in the middle. Something the republicans have fucking mastered.
QuiteWhittle
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No more part-time chairs please.
GoldenEye 007
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There should be enough cause to boot out Donna given these leaks and her being a Hillary shill.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Does he still vehemently oppose single-payer? If so, thanks but no thanks. I agree that they need to pursue a 50 state strategy but they also need a more progressive agenda to go along with it.
RustyNails
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"Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, we're going to South Carolina
ZombiePlatypus
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Make it happen.
Yeah, the person I quoted in the post you quoted informed everyone, including me, of that. That's why I'm going to watch what they posted now so I can have a better understanding.
Also, did you know the scream did not tank his campaign?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Short version:
- Dean's poll numbers had been trending down for a while
- The thing that ended his campaign was an unexpectedly bad finish in Iowa
- He kept trending down
- Maybe in some parallel universe where there was no scream media coverage maybe he would have picked back up, but there's no evidence for this.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
No thanks. i agree with what needs to happen but i dont trust Dean.
Escape Goat
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Why?
GoldenEye 007
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I guess I kind of meant people like them being candidates for office moving forward. Sorry for not clarifying. Dean for the infrastructure. Excitement candidates to take advantage of it.
Edit: Young voters will come out for someone that excites them. See: Obama 2008 and 2012. Also, Dean managed to get Dems in control of the House and Senate in 2006.
RustyNails
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I think it will be pretty easy. DWS was the biggest obstacle and she's gone.
I don't doubt we'll be looking back at the current election and blaming something similar ("If only Hillary hadn't gotten pneumonia...") instead of addressing similar issues like this. Maybe not, just a guess!
It makes sense why it would work effectively to have your base look back at it as something extremely silly rather than the idea that America still seems to have a different ideology built into its core.
CrispyBoar
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Thank heavens. Perhaps he can straighten the democrats up & make them stronger for the upcoming 2020 election. The current ones have failed to do their job for this election this year.
psynergylover
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same here! looking back on this I'm still absolutely baffled by it!
edit: answered a few posts above
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
She is interim, out by March. Needs to be done now, prep for 2018 started yesterday.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
2018 is closer than we think. The sooner Howie gets in, the better.
2018 is closer than we think. The sooner Howie gets in, the better.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Perhaps she should wear a Bernie Sanders costume.
Easier said than done. But we'll see.
Lactose_Intolerant
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That tweet doesn't inspire confidence.
Focus on the middle class and struggling, regardless of race/age. That would have saved Hillary if she actually went out to WI and rural parts of PA to see why the unhappy blue collar people were turning to Trump.
You edited your post.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't necessarily think Dean is the right guy for the job--although I do like him!0--but I definitely think Democrats have to stop the state level bleeding in presidentially red states for at least three reasons: 1) To avoid Republicans using state houses and senates to pass awful legislation; 2) To capitalize on the demographic drift already occurring and accelerate wins in Arizona and Texas; 3) Because if you don't have a bench, Senate seats and the presidency get tougher.
It's telling that Republicans have triple-control (Governor, state senate, state house) of 25 states and Democrats have the same in 5 states. Some of this is because of ideology (southern self-sorting has led to a collapse of the previously monolithic state Democratic parties), but the failure of Democrats to knock Republicans out of blue state houses and senates is a failure of state-level organization, and the failure to capitalize on favourable demographic trends in the south-west is an organization thing too.
It's telling that Republicans have triple-control (Governor, state senate, state house) of 25 states and Democrats have the same in 5 states. Some of this is because of ideology (southern self-sorting has led to a collapse of the previously monolithic state Democratic parties), but the failure of Democrats to knock Republicans out of blue state houses and senates is a failure of state-level organization, and the failure to capitalize on favourable demographic trends in the south-west is an organization thing too.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
The Howard Dean of today is a corporate lobbyist.
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Also.. forgot this.
Dean was amazing before he literally sold out.
I'm not American and I've never heard of him but from that video of him screaming he seemed energetic and likeable at first glance. That scream really didn't seem like anything worth remembering but then I guess I've been used to Donald Trump this last year.
Oh well there seems to be some hope that this guy might be the right guy for the job but honestly the way the democrats fucked up so much this election maybe any change is good?
Oh well there seems to be some hope that this guy might be the right guy for the job but honestly the way the democrats fucked up so much this election maybe any change is good?
Bonen no Max'd
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Other than the floated Reid idea, who else has really shown the sort of organizing necessary to take back the state-level races than Dean?
This is stupid. Dean was blunt but not wrong. Superdelegates don't need to go along with how the people in their state vote. It's also asinine for people to keep pushing some narrative about superdelegates changing the outcomes of primaries. That has never happened, although it's exactly what Bernie supporters wanted to occur, just in their favor.The Howard Dean of today is a corporate lobbyist.
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Also.. forgot this.
Dean was amazing before he literally sold out.
Epsilon-delta
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Do it.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Sanders won over 80% of the vote there and he refused to give it to him citing Hillary Clinton as what was best for the country. Even with the best intentions id rather someone with some vision and not someone who ran smack dab into The Clinton Catastrophe.
Besides he doesnt represent the interests of the people any longer. He is a lobbyist now. This is a move by corporations to infect whatever movement is birthed out of this fiasco.
Outsiders with a protest mentality are the absolute worst ones in leadership positions because they don't understand what to do with the car when they catch it.
It needs to be Dean. We can't have a part timer, he helped engineer the last two congressional elections we won - his track record is there.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I would think virtually anyone coming to the DNC chair at this point would pursue a 50 state strategy. No one is stupid enough to ignore what happened to the rust belt, and no one is stupid enough to fixate on the rust belt and reject the still-ascendant demographic coalition of the southwest. Reid would be a bad idea. I think he was a poor Senate majority leader in general and a poor Senator. I think he has very little to offer to the Party.
Bernie gave an interview today where he said Keith Ellison was going to jump in. He'd be a great choice. Hickenlooper might be a good choice if he were willing to run. If Hassan had not won the Senate seat she'd be an OK choice. Jay Nixon is out of a job right now, he'd be a good choice maybe. Jeff Weaver if he'd be willing. Forgive me, I haven't seen if any representatives have thrown in their hat to know who my choices are.
One thing about speculation about positions is that people have this really stupid tendency of reading some leaked short-list or rumour somewhere and then latching on to the names in the list. Like, think about all the people who legitimately expected Julian Castro to be Hillary's VP nominee just because journalists speculated about it. Hell, you have people in here saying Elizabeth Warren presumably bcause they like her and she's a Democrat, with absolutely no thought as to whether she'd be a good DNC choice, has any connections elsewhere in the party, or what it would do to her ability to fight for causes in the Senate. Generally it's pretty hard to survey the playing field as to who is willing to step up--so there are countless mid-level staffers, campaign chairs, and chiefs of staff throughout the Democratic party who could be plausible choices, and we largely haven't heard of their na,es.
SolidSnakeUS
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I'd say give it to him. He gave the party some pretty damn good success, especially with being there with Obama getting the nod. Probably the best candidate right now for the job.
EnlightenedMint
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Just what the dems need a pharmaceutical lobbyist.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114072/howard-dean-obamacare-payment-board-and-k-street
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21...ling-himself-on-k-street/?comments=1#comments
https://newrepublic.com/article/114072/howard-dean-obamacare-payment-board-and-k-street
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21...ling-himself-on-k-street/?comments=1#comments
Howard Dean has the vision for how to win local elections in this country.
Weren't you guys all very eager about winning elections, eager to pander to rural whites? Why be a stick in the mud about the guy who can win? Because he didn't support Sanders?
Fine?
Remove superdelegates, Hillary still wins the primary. This continued belief that Bernie supporters were betrayed by superdelegates isn't matched by reality.
And if you have a better full time candidate to run the DNC with some experience and can fulfill Bernie supporters' purity test, feel free to name them. I hope this potential person is prepared to put purity tests aside to make inroads more conservative areas of the country.
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