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'HPOA' quits job in a subtle way
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Did I misread?WanderingWind said:
"On Friday I transferred you a call. I was about to hang up when I heard you call me a HOPA."
Who'd she transfer that he'd refer to someone as a hot piece of ass? Probably a buddy, right? Now is it wrong for him to think she's hot and tell a friend? No. She doesn't claim that he harassed her, just that he had a temper and bad breath. Yet because she hangs up too late, she hears part of his conversation with someone else. She could have talked to him directly about it, or taken it to HR if it was that offensive. If there was a history, she should definitely have. It just comes off as petty. Funny, but petty can be funny too. PEACE.
evil solrac v3.0
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ReiGun said:
I too second the motuion of copulating with the terran female.
she also may have done this because maybe she doesn't want to be a broker if this is how she will be treated. so she might not care.
The Awkward Wizard
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This. Also, PhotoshopsKingGondo said:
teruterubozu
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So she's quitting her broker career aspirations to become a Hooters girl?
WanderingWind
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missbreedsiddx said:
Well, I'm an equal asshole. So, it's on, bitch.
Pimpwerx said:
Is it wrong for him to think she's hot and tell a friend? No. At work? Fuck yes. And calling somebody a "piece of ass" is harassment.
Also, with a company of <30, what makes you think there is a HR department to go to? More than likely, she MAYBE had one supervisor in the chain from her to him. So, again. Her just quitting in a humor-filled way (which was not posted online directly by her, and which no last names were given) means that she was still very tempered in her response. She didn't wild out on him, didn't post his name with PIG!!!! scribbled on it to Facebook, etc.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Vandiger said:
If her boss is making the company enough money, they won't give a shit how much time he spends on Farmville. Stuff like "wasting company time on the Internet" is just an HR-approvable excuse to can someone who's barely useful. No one gets fired for minor policy violations unless they're halfway out the door already.
Eteric Rice
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I would marry this girl. :lol
teruterubozu
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Eteric Rice said:
She'll find out about all those porn sites you've logged before the first date.
WanderingWind said:
She should have known that this would have found its way online. (And she may as well have simply put up a signed saying "Spencer, you're a PIG!!!")
Ultimately, think of it this way: when employees ask why she quit, she could have said that she overheard her boss using sexually harassing language about her, and that although she was upset she handled it in a mature way and took it as a life experience rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb. Now her story is that she trawled through someone else's private data without permission, thereby abusing her position of trust, just so that she could have 15 minutes of e-fame and extract revenge on her former employer. Great.
Heck, we're talking about bloody Farmville here. Browsing porn at work for five hours a week would be something I could understand shouting about, not the fact that you have a game window open in another tab while you do some other work.
ClosingADoor
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So she is offended when called a HPOA and then poses for the whole world to see. Right...
Should have just told HR (or Spencer's boss) or that Spencer dude himself. Shit like this doesn't help anything.
Should have just told HR (or Spencer's boss) or that Spencer dude himself. Shit like this doesn't help anything.
If my boss called me a HPOA I would feel flattered.
I guess she finally realized that her looks indeed played a part in her being hired, over the average girl/dude that was probably just as much, if not more qualified for it.
I guess she finally realized that her looks indeed played a part in her being hired, over the average girl/dude that was probably just as much, if not more qualified for it.
MightyHealthy
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put me in with the crowd that wonders how professional this woman truly is.
but don't tell anyone that it was because of her
:lol
but don't tell anyone that it was because of her
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MuzzledBasher
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Its all pretty humorous and I can see why some would be envious of the way she quit, but from what we know what exactly did the boss do wrong that needed calling out for? Calling someone a hopa in what was meant to be a private conversation while rude and classless is hardly sexist... hell people on GAF say way worse stuff and don't get called out on it (such as the use of the word bitch in thread involving a female acting in negative manner among other things). It is also most likely his role to keep a tab on the way his employee spend their working hours.
Also the fact that she spied on his online activity without permission when it was not her role or place speaks of her character. Your boss isn't meant to be your friend so what does it matter what he/she make think of some easily replaceable assistant?
Just be an adult and do your job, and if you can't get over the fact that your boss is an asshole quit in a professional manner instead of being a vindictive moron with the potential to hurt your future employability prospects.
Also the fact that she spied on his online activity without permission when it was not her role or place speaks of her character. Your boss isn't meant to be your friend so what does it matter what he/she make think of some easily replaceable assistant?
Just be an adult and do your job, and if you can't get over the fact that your boss is an asshole quit in a professional manner instead of being a vindictive moron with the potential to hurt your future employability prospects.
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gerg said:
Right. So she should have just shut her mouth and quit. That's not maturity. That's being a doormat and complacent in the very real world of daily sexual harassment in some workplaces. So he got embarrassed. Big deal. He fucking earned that shame - you can't tell me he didn't.
Sorry, but no. She should not have just quite and took it as a "life experience" anymore than she should "just expect this is going to happen, because she's attractive."
That's the thing that bugs me a little about this entire thing. I personally don't support companies monitoring their employees Internet activity since I think what matters in the end is if the job is getting done or not, but, if the boss thinks it's necessarily to monitor the employees Internet activity to increase productivity, it is perfectly within in his right to do it. It's not something underhanded or shady on the bosses part, assuming he was doing it in a professional manner.MuzzledBasher said:
WanderingWind said:
It depends. Saying something about someone is not the same as saying something to someone. I don't want to get in the business of demanding that people don't say potentially offensive things about someone else in their private conversations.
And yes, sometimes being mature means accepting that shit happens. Sometimes your superiors will think very little of you. I don't think that this is a case of sexual harassment.
(And even then, as others have pointed out, there's evidently different degrees of activism in the face of matters like this.)
Again. Talking about someone is not the same as talking to someone.
ClosingADoor
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WanderingWind said:
And email pictures like this to your coworkers is very mature?
John Dunbar
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her fingers look normal to me.
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gerg said:
He said it to somebody ABOUT her. It's both wickets being hit here. And no. Being mature does not mean having to accept sexual harassment, or any other workplace violation. That's a horrible way to think. "Well, my boss just said I 'fucking rocking tits.' Shit happens!" No. That shit is unacceptable and has been for quite a while.
I never used her maturity level as a metric for anything. Just pointing out that "mature" doesn't mean "just accepting shit treatment from bosses."ClosingADoor said:
If you say so, mate. I think either just quitting without letting the guy know his behavior was unacceptable and the other women that they don't have to put up with that type of shit, is just as bad.Zeke said:
teruterubozu
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She'll get married, have kids. End of story.
WanderingWind said:
I should have made the distinction clearer: there's a difference between A saying something to B about C and A saying something about C to C.
I don't think that this is sexual harassment. If every comment about an external third party were considered as harassment then every post on GAF declaring that this woman is, in fact, a HPOA would also be considered as harassment. And I don't think that our intuition tells us that anyone on GAF is harassing the woman in question.
What's wrong about harassment is the way in which comments are made, and the fact that they're made to the party in question. I'd go so far as to say as that the actual content of sexually harassing remarks isn't what should be considered offensive - a woman may, indeed, have rocking tits, and I'm sure that many women who do will be aware of this. The point isn't that this isn't true, but that it isn't the role of the other person in question to tell those women in formal, professional environments.
As I said, there's degree of action. I never said that this woman shouldn't complain to the relevant parties, or that it was wrong of her to quit - I imagine that it would be incredibly awkward for her to attempt to work with this Spencer after hearing the remark in question. I have merely said that there were much more mature ways of her to handle the issue.
In these instances she may have e-mailed the Spencer personally telling him the reasons as to why she quit. Equally she may have e-mailed her female co-workers about the matter. There was no reason for her to dig through her employer's private details just so she could try to dig up some potentially embarrassing information in order to get a cheap laugh from all her mates.
Joe Shlabotnik
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WanderingWind said:
Quitting and explaining why to your boss and/or HR is actually pretty much the definition of maturity.
Being a doormat: staying at the job.
Being immature: Quitting in a dramatic presentation that involves far more questionable ethical violations than an inappropriate comment not meant for your ears.
Of course, this is all predicated on the assumption that there hasn't been any other incidents which she has formally complained about. If there's a history of harrassment here it's another story altogether.
PhoncipleBone
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MightyHealthy
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HOPA becomes HPOAZoe said:
the awful "dispenser" joke
HPOA's
she looks like old Danielle Fishel, by the way
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gerg said:
I find no real fault in your other opinions. I disagree, but hey. Internet.
This, however, is simply wrong. This is textbook sexual harassment. It's not even overly-PC "sexual harassment." Just because she wasn't MEANT to hear herself being verbally degraded by a workplace superior, doesn't negate the fact that it still happened. It's not even unreasonable to be extremely offended to be called a piece of ass. That's fratboy pond-scum language, and it doesn't belong in the workplace.
If a black person wasn't meant to hear a racist joke, it's not going to save your job by saying as such. The argument with GAF falls apart because A) we don't work with her and B) we're not her boss and C) thisisgafdude.gif.
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dyls said:
Idk my friends and I always come with stupid euphemisms to talk about girls, instead of just saying "wow I'd love to fuck the shit out of her"
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